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Oda doesn't plan everything ahead
He never thought of Luffy's awakening to be This
That's for sure

The dude literally drags arcs or create new characters when he feels like it (or when editors tells him so) so that he remains unpredictable
The only thing Oda planned in advanced is the ending which also is already modified slightly as far as we can guess.

Stop trying to defending this lame decision
Wano is so trash yet you guys still find excuses

"Luffy smiled aa a child so Oda gave an hint" t
"Look at how he creates gears so Oda is a genius"


When I tell people OP is just pirate version of Naruto , they laugh

Oda literally copies Kishi, vice versa
Both of them are friends

Enjoy TOON PIECE
I will galdy enjoy it, thank you very much.
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Zoro fans mad Luffy isn't possessed by a 800 year old ghost and have to deal with the fact that Zoro can only barely beat the weakest YC1 with Oden's Haki blade that only saved him from losing because it heard Oden's favorite song played by Hiyori

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Weakest YC1? dude king could mop the floor of katakuri
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am going to assume is that they didnt wanna make it to suspicious as to why they where spam sending admiral level characters to luffy or make his bounty insanely high to a rookie pirate, that will raise some question as to why did they decide to do this.
 
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After luffy lost from world for training , marines did not find because rayleigh hide him at very special area . Then he appears fishman island . And we are at wano . Between fishman island and wano , i guess there are just less than 3 months . For human years , there is 12 years :) how did you expect wg capture luffy ? Fishman 3 4 days , dresrosa 1 day , zou one week , during all the time , they is changing their location so fast . As marco said there are toooooo many island in the one piece world .
The problem is not that they didn't catch him.

The problem is that they didn't even try.

We know now that the WG knows that Luffy has the most dangerous DF in the entire world (in their eyes) and that he is the one dude that must not awaken his powers at any cost. He is basically the one guy they've been looking for since 800 years.

What did they do for two years?

Nothing.

They didn't even send any special forces to capture him. The only one actively trying to capture him is Smoker ffs.

Heck, the WG even actively sent more forces to capture fecking Buggy and some other Shichibukai recently.

This is what doesn't make much sense.
 
kinda Extremely Controversial decision by Oda to go for a unique Zoan fruit based on someone that has - by Oda's standards - barely been foreshadowed. Nika wasn't namedropped in Skypeia at all (and you could argue that a large part of the mythology applied to the giant snakes being revered as sun gods back then due to Aztec Myths as a theming device) and both Who's Who randomly spouting conspiracies at Jimbei 30 chapters ago as well as this weird conversation by the Gorosei seem very hamfisted compared to Oda's usual style. (too sudden)
This is indeed an issue. People assuring that Nika was foreshadowing by your stereotypical ancient tribes praising the sun as a god is very ingenuous; the fact here is that, contrary to someone like Joy Boy, Nika is something we didn't know about even thirty chapters ago; not only that, but Who's Who's whole subplot felt forced too since he went from ignoring Luffy to showing deep animosity to anybody related to him. As you well said, everything about Nika and the true nature of the Gomu Gomu fruit feels inserted by force, which is why it's difficult to adjust.
 
The problem is not that they didn't catch him.

The problem is that they didn't even try.

We know now that the WG knows that Luffy has the most dangerous DF in the entire world (in their eyes) and that he is the one dude that must not awaken his powers at any cost. He is basically the one guy they've been looking for since 800 years.

What did they do for two years?

Nothing.

They didn't even send any special forces to capture him. The only one actively trying to capture him is Smoker ffs.

Heck, the WG even actively sent more forces to capture fecking Buggy and some other Shichibukai recently.

This is what doesn't make much sense.
You missed tons of thing about what is happening .

firstly , at marineford , Luffy was saved by whitebeard and law pirates . Hihg probably , if shanks had not come , luffy would have been killed . Then he was brought amazon lily . Marines cannot enter that region cuz boa hancock is one of the schinukai and marines dont have any permission to enter these regions . Marco said that there are million island in the one piece world . Luffy was just gettting training one of them . The proof that wg looking for luffy is the kuma situation . Probably , kuma was sent as a slave under celestrial dragon cuz of he did not say anthing about SHs. After time skip , luffy was seen 6 point . Fishman , punk , dressrosa , zou , wci and wano . And marines and wg found luffys location when luffy arrive wano . Wano is special yonko region and we know that marines dont prefer to enter yonko region . Moreover wano is isoloated area from the world till now. Wg sent many ships for one reason . And we know that . They tried to catch luffy . But till wano , luffy has never been same place more than 1 week.

Fishman island 3 4 days
Punk hazard 1 2 day
Deessrisa 1 day
Zou 5 6 day ( not stabil location )
wci big mom territory ( less than 1 week )

please tell me . You are world government , and you want to catch Luffy . With this time scale and tripping direction , how would you manage catching Luffy ???
 
This is indeed an issue. People assuring that Nika was foreshadowing by your stereotypical ancient tribes praising the sun as a god is very ingenuous; the fact here is that, contrary to someone like Joy Boy, Nika is something we didn't know about even thirty chapters ago; not only that, but Who's Who's whole subplot felt forced too since he went from ignoring Luffy to showing deep animosity to anybody related to him. As you well said, everything about Nika and the true nature of the Gomu Gomu fruit feels inserted by force, which is why it's difficult to adjust.
Suppose a lot will depend on the actual nature of Nika.

If Nika is just a title and a legend that developed around Joy Boy then it’s okay (not amazing or anything, just okay) because Joy Boy‘s been a well established part of the series for a while now.

If Nika was a person on his own, and then Joy Boy had his powers, and then Luffy is the third person in the line, it’s very jarring.

Vegapunk explaining DFs will also be very important to this. Why was a DF made for Nika? Can someone make a Ryuma fruit? He’s been called a god. Where does the rubber come into play? Are we meant to consider Nika a real person, does that mean other mythical zoans like dragons and phoenix and, uh, Buddha, were real in the OP world?
 
Suppose a lot will depend on the actual nature of Nika.

If Nika is just a title and a legend that developed around Joy Boy then it’s okay (not amazing or anything, just okay) because Joy Boy‘s been a well established part of the series for a while now.

If Nika was a person on his own, and then Joy Boy had his powers, and then Luffy is the third person in the line, it’s very jarring.

Vegapunk explaining DFs will also be very important to this. Why was a DF made for Nika? Can someone make a Ryuma fruit? He’s been called a god. Where does the rubber come into play? Are we meant to consider Nika a real person, does that mean other mythical zoans like dragons and phoenix and, uh, Buddha, were real in the OP world?
Regarding your last paragraph, an idea I had in mind for SSG's recent invention was that Vegapunk achieved the creation of new devil fruits by giving special properties to animals; for example, he could create a fruit that gives the ability to turn into a dog of magma, something like this. The reveal of the Nika model made me think of the possibility that the ancient kingdom, who was probably advanced in technology, modified real animals in order to give life to their own myths —so something like a phoenix would have never existed but they created it, and such creation was later used for the Tori Tori model.

On a related possibility, another idea "of mine" (because other people may have had it too) is that "devil fruits" were created by the World Government by imprisoning the souls of superhumans (Vinsmoke style) created with the technology of the Great Kingdom; this is why they would be called "devil fruits", because those from the Great Kingdom would be seen as devils (the Ds, in other words). All of it would lead to the final act of liberation, which is returning freedom to the souls in the fruits and erasing this powers forever. If this was the case (doubtful for now because only Zoan models have been stated to have a will of their own), maybe Nika was a legendary figure the Great Kingdom wanted to materialize and things went wrong, or he's the deification of Joy Boy himself as an altered human with rubber powers whose soul was used to create the "Gomu Gomu", or whatever.

Just vague ideas because we can't know right now. The big problem here is:

-If Nika is just the myth created around the figure of Joy Boy, then where does his Hito Hito model come from, why there's a fruit of "Joy Boy's myth" and when was it created since a myth takes time to grow. Maybe someone tried to recreate Joy Boy, is the fruit a way to assure that someone like him comes back in the future because the original was bound to disappear as the mortal man he was? We have a whole century of erased history for these events to happen before the Great Kingdom ultimately falls...

-If Joy Boy had Nika's powers it will be very jarring because it just adds another stage of history that I'm not sure we need. It also takes away part of the interest behind this subplot, because if Joy Boy is inherently related to the "Gomu Gomu" then people like Kaido never had a chance to become the new one, and not because he didn't have the attitude to it or something, but because he didn't have the chance to eat the proper fruit.

So, did Joy Boy have the Hito Hito, model: Nika? If that's the case, when and how did this fruit come to existence? (considering a main subplot of the whole story is artificial devil fruits and how superpowers are created plus the Ancient Kingdom being seemingly technological, I doubt they will be just magic). Or was Joy Boy the same person as Nika, and if that's the case why exists a fruit based on him? Of course they must be related somehow because what Zunesha associates with Joy Boy are the drums that Luffy awakened by awakening the Nika power, so scenarios like Joy Boy and Nika being different figures but converging in Luffy as the definitive person to take the World Government down should be out of question...

I don't know, better wait for more information.
 
The user actually added a post in his edit

"Edit: To all the ppl arguing with me, it's ok, I get it. I'm the first to concede that this post read like a conspiracy theory post, lol. But with a bit of imagination, it's not too hard to see how even the smallest details sometimes contribute to an overall narrative. Lastly, I'll just leave this here "

His post actually convinced me even moreso that it wasn't planned. Nika was foreshadowed since chapter one because when Roger smiled, the sound effect was Ni-ya, and that sounds kind of like Nika? Definitely a bit of a stretch.
 
Would be cool if the Gorosei after meeting with Shanks (they must have spoken avout Luffy & his fruit) try and reach Kuzan, telling him to make sure Teach doesn't steal it or kill Luffy if that's easier. Then at that same time, Shiryu who is still not fully trusted by one or more BB pirates iirc, for whatever reason was present but hidden with his devil fruit power overheard the convo, leading to the death of Kuzan. Maybe BB defeats Kuzan by himself in 1 v 1, or he tests Shiryu's strength and loyalty & tells him to do it, either would be a hype offpaneled moment. After that it can become BB's last fruit or better if it goes to Sanji's BB opponent if it isn't Lafitte who I believe already has a fruit iirc. So It'd be between the 10th captain or Burgess. Poor Burgess wanted a fire devil fruit but instead gets ice and he fight a guy with Blue flames.
 
Suppose a lot will depend on the actual nature of Nika.

If Nika is just a title and a legend that developed around Joy Boy then it’s okay (not amazing or anything, just okay) because Joy Boy‘s been a well established part of the series for a while now.

If Nika was a person on his own, and then Joy Boy had his powers, and then Luffy is the third person in the line, it’s very jarring.

Vegapunk explaining DFs will also be very important to this. Why was a DF made for Nika? Can someone make a Ryuma fruit? He’s been called a god. Where does the rubber come into play? Are we meant to consider Nika a real person, does that mean other mythical zoans like dragons and phoenix and, uh, Buddha, were real in the OP world?
My assumption is that Nika is not a real being just like the other mythical zoans, and the stories about Nika actually existing are based on Joyboy being seen as Nika because he had the Nika fruit too. I doubt Joyboy and Nika are the same person or that Nika ever actually lived. If the devil fruit was based on a real person, it wouldn't be mythical, and we've never seen a devil fruit based on a specific individual.
 

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Suppose a lot will depend on the actual nature of Nika.

If Nika is just a title and a legend that developed around Joy Boy then it’s okay (not amazing or anything, just okay) because Joy Boy‘s been a well established part of the series for a while now.

If Nika was a person on his own, and then Joy Boy had his powers, and then Luffy is the third person in the line, it’s very jarring.

Vegapunk explaining DFs will also be very important to this. Why was a DF made for Nika? Can someone make a Ryuma fruit? He’s been called a god. Where does the rubber come into play? Are we meant to consider Nika a real person, does that mean other mythical zoans like dragons and phoenix and, uh, Buddha, were real in the OP world?
I don't think Ryuma has that kind of a mythological aspect to him like that of Nika or Buddha tbh. That's because he was a living man and turned into a zombie. He might have had God like abilities but he was a mere mortal afterall.
 
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it was a bit looney tunes, surprised oda is doing this
well, the human human fruit. and its a zoan too
was it not said that when you eat the fruit you instantly know its name? i swear i remember something like that.

The funny thing about the Gomu Gomu is that its kind of a crappy power. i remember saying that to myself when i started one piece. but now it turns out Luffys devil fruit is the strongest, but not only the strongest its been sought after for hundreds of years by the elders

can you imagine how long its taken oda to write this chapter. Skypiea really was the beginning of all of this.

Even when fucking Redditors have a common sense and don't wank something in its forum you now that was FUCKING SHIT
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no that was a miss quote about the person knowing the name of the devil fruit as soon as they eat it. you will know what fruit you ate as you figure out the powers for example you know you ate the wolf wolf fruit once you turn into a wolf.
 
You missed tons of thing about what is happening .

firstly , at marineford , Luffy was saved by whitebeard and law pirates . Hihg probably , if shanks had not come , luffy would have been killed . Then he was brought amazon lily . Marines cannot enter that region cuz boa hancock is one of the schinukai and marines dont have any permission to enter these regions . Marco said that there are million island in the one piece world . Luffy was just gettting training one of them . The proof that wg looking for luffy is the kuma situation . Probably , kuma was sent as a slave under celestrial dragon cuz of he did not say anthing about SHs. After time skip , luffy was seen 6 point . Fishman , punk , dressrosa , zou , wci and wano . And marines and wg found luffys location when luffy arrive wano . Wano is special yonko region and we know that marines dont prefer to enter yonko region . Moreover wano is isoloated area from the world till now. Wg sent many ships for one reason . And we know that . They tried to catch luffy . But till wano , luffy has never been same place more than 1 week.

Fishman island 3 4 days
Punk hazard 1 2 day
Deessrisa 1 day
Zou 5 6 day ( not stabil location )
wci big mom territory ( less than 1 week )

please tell me . You are world government , and you want to catch Luffy . With this time scale and tripping direction , how would you manage catching Luffy ???
I missed nothing, stop with that bullshit. You can talk like that to some kids, but not to a grown man with tons of knowledge about actual storywriting.

You are merely trying to find excuses bc criticizing OP somehow hurts your very own self-esteem.

WG knew about Luffy's DF since Water 7 (arguably even since Logue town due to Smoker) and they never cared much until now...
 
luffy has never been same place more than 1 week.
Luffy spent at least four days in Dressrosa; four days in which both CP0 and high-ranked marines were present, three of which Luffy was recovering and pretty much unconscious, and on top of that the last day Sengoku and Tsuru arrived too yet did nothing (even kind of went along with Fujitora's gambling). Oh, and CP0 left only to come back later... because of the Revolutionary army, not Luffy.
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My assumption is that Nika is not a real being just like the other mythical zoans, and the stories about Nika actually existing are based on Joyboy being seen as Nika because he had the Nika fruit too. I doubt Joyboy and Nika are the same person or that Nika ever actually lived. If the devil fruit was based on a real person, it wouldn't be mythical, and we've never seen a devil fruit based on a specific individual.
The thing is that, whether the creature is mythical or not, the fruit does exist; what's the basis for something like a Seiryu power? What lineage factor is altering your own DNA if there isn't a material source for it? Because we know for a fact that Kaido's lineage factor was transformed when he ate his fruit and traces of the Seiryu genetics were taken by Vegapunk in order to create Momo's replica. There must be tangible DNA that contains the information of what these mythical beasts are, and therefore they can't be just an abstract legend. Either they existed at some point or the ancient people created them through science, magic or both, but if a Nika fruit exists then there must be a Nika lineage factor that is inserted into its fruit's user's DNA.
 
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Yeah, Luffy was taking a rest for 3 days in Dressrosa. Given just how crucial the possession of the Nika fruit is, they should've sent 3 admirals, a buster call with 100 marine battle ships and all of their Pacifistas.
 
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