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This chapter has shown me exactly how much I've lost interest in one piece. Its still cool to see G5 and Luffy smacking kaido, but its lost its magic. I see all these OP fans losing their mind on reddit and twitter, meanwhile I'm just content to read the spoilers and when they came, it honestly wasn't anything earth-shattering.

I even predicted that Luffy might be a mythic zoan after 1037 and Luffy's abilities were basically what a lot of people thought the gomu gomu no mi awakening would be even before the whole nika plot was revealed.

I remember being a teenager and reading chapter 784. It was the chapter G4 was revealed. OP just had a magic back then that I don't feel anymore. I guess I'm too old.
Im enjoying the reveal, but g2 & g4 were just written better. Wano has horrible pacing &adhd, makes it hard to be invested in a fight.
 
Suppose a lot will depend on the actual nature of Nika.

If Nika is just a title and a legend that developed around Joy Boy then it’s okay (not amazing or anything, just okay) because Joy Boy‘s been a well established part of the series for a while now.

If Nika was a person on his own, and then Joy Boy had his powers, and then Luffy is the third person in the line, it’s very jarring.

Vegapunk explaining DFs will also be very important to this. Why was a DF made for Nika? Can someone make a Ryuma fruit? He’s been called a god. Where does the rubber come into play? Are we meant to consider Nika a real person, does that mean other mythical zoans like dragons and phoenix and, uh, Buddha, were real in the OP world?
It wouldn't be surprising if JoyBoy and Nika were the same person, or if both of them are titles referring to the same thing.

Another way to describe someone who is joyous is to say that they have a sunny disposition. So calling someone the Sun God could be a reference to their disposition and strength. A slighty more innocuous way to say Joy Boy, in other words.
 
I have mix feeling about the chapter wish the powers revelations was a bit smoother ..
so I think the name joyboy is a nick name that comes from the fruit like firefist ace comes from the df. the human human fruit model :sun god nika , the word nika in japan also means laugh so when the df user is in the awaking form they laugh all the time hence the nick name joyboy. so i think joyboy name is tie to the fruit not the person like I originally thought. who ever was the user of the df 800 years ago is dead and gone .. so the real question is what's the real name of the df user 800 year ago?? perhaps the D in the will of D is their true name.
 

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My assumption is that Nika is not a real being just like the other mythical zoans, and the stories about Nika actually existing are based on Joyboy being seen as Nika because he had the Nika fruit too. I doubt Joyboy and Nika are the same person or that Nika ever actually lived. If the devil fruit was based on a real person, it wouldn't be mythical, and we've never seen a devil fruit based on a specific individual.
I can totally see that. After all Joy Boy was called like that for a reason if Zunisha claims Luffy is now Joy Boy. :josad:

He was probably the former Sun God Nika.
 
I don't know about the whole thing Oda has with Pandaman, but someone on reddit pointed out that in the panel where Luffy first grabs Kaido, there's a panda smile fruit user there. Pretty funny.
 
You missed tons of thing about what is happening .

firstly , at marineford , Luffy was saved by whitebeard and law pirates . Hihg probably , if shanks had not come , luffy would have been killed . Then he was brought amazon lily . Marines cannot enter that region cuz boa hancock is one of the schinukai and marines dont have any permission to enter these regions . Marco said that there are million island in the one piece world . Luffy was just gettting training one of them . The proof that wg looking for luffy is the kuma situation . Probably , kuma was sent as a slave under celestrial dragon cuz of he did not say anthing about SHs. After time skip , luffy was seen 6 point . Fishman , punk , dressrosa , zou , wci and wano . And marines and wg found luffys location when luffy arrive wano . Wano is special yonko region and we know that marines dont prefer to enter yonko region . Moreover wano is isoloated area from the world till now. Wg sent many ships for one reason . And we know that . They tried to catch luffy . But till wano , luffy has never been same place more than 1 week.

Fishman island 3 4 days
Punk hazard 1 2 day
Deessrisa 1 day
Zou 5 6 day ( not stabil location )
wci big mom territory ( less than 1 week )

please tell me . You are world government , and you want to catch Luffy . With this time scale and tripping direction , how would you manage catching Luffy ???
They knew about his powers since Enies Lobby and did nothing about it until now?? Don't even say they chased him for the fruit because they didn't. They were more focused on Robin than anything else.
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My assumption is that Nika is not a real being just like the other mythical zoans, and the stories about Nika actually existing are based on Joyboy being seen as Nika because he had the Nika fruit too. I doubt Joyboy and Nika are the same person or that Nika ever actually lived. If the devil fruit was based on a real person, it wouldn't be mythical, and we've never seen a devil fruit based on a specific individual.
I feel like Joyboy is the will of the fruit or something. Luffy is still Luffy, but he also has the will of Joyboy manifested into him which is why he acts different than regular self. Nika is just a fruit and we are told that Zoan's have a mind/will of their own, so Joyboy is most likely the will of the fruit.
 
They knew about his powers since Enies Lobby and did nothing about it until now?? Don't even say they chased him for the fruit because they didn't. They were more focused on Robin than anything else.
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I feel like Joyboy is the will of the fruit or something. Luffy is still Luffy, but he also has the will of Joyboy manifested into him which is why he acts different than regular self. Nika is just a fruit and we are told that Zoan's have a mind/will of their own, so Joyboy is most likely the will of the fruit.

and after (post-marineford) At that point the SH pirates went on hiatus and trained for 2 years on secluded on Island that either where hidden from the WG, hiding and training with revolutionaries or not even a island at all. plus ruskaina is in calm belt. So they were fucked there because they wouldnt be able to get to luffy without the help of kuja pirate (which is allied with luffy).


(even then they sent kuma after beating moria and after that arc luffy punched a WN which is a death sentence in of its self. (plus kuma was there bfr tfo them out).
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I missed nothing, stop with that bullshit. You can talk like that to some kids, but not to a grown man with tons of knowledge about actual storywriting.

You are merely trying to find excuses bc criticizing OP somehow hurts your very own self-esteem.

WG knew about Luffy's DF since Water 7 (arguably even since Logue town due to Smoker) and they never cared much until now...
dude , i dont have any earning from OP . Im not gettin money when i making this comment .ddd never mind luffy . Wg trid to catch up Robin since she was 6 7 years oldu . Robin is nearly close 30 years old . And you claim that Wg dis not even try to catch RObin during 23 year ? When crocodile recruited robin , what the hell are wg doing ? Did not they know ? In your logic , marines or wg should destroy all yonkous . Why cannot they do that ? Tell me reason ? Awakening is not enough to defeat imu . Awakening is nothing compared to whole story . Luffy needs shoroshi , pluton , vivi , ancient kingdom , robin . Your stupid logic said to you awakening is the most dangeorus part of this issue . Joyboy is a master of this devil fruit . Why did he fail ????
 
Their theory of Luffy being a Zoan is not a bullshiit this time. Congrats to them
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WHY DIDNT THEY INTERFERE IN FRONT OF A YONKOS FACE BEFORE?!?!?! HOW COME THE FOUR DIFFERENT ADMIRALS WHO TRIED TO KILL LUFFY WERENT CHASING HIM FOR EVERY CHAPTER
This is Oda's stuff not yours. If you want a story where you can put all what you want in it you should create your own. What a joke..
 

KonyaruIchi

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So to get things clear: Joyboy is not Nika. Luffy is Not Joyboy. Joyboy Ate Nika fruit just as luffy
Yeah but it's kind of implied that awakening the Model: Nika fruit is a way to inherit the JoyBoy title, at least their users give similar vibes since Zunesha even comments on it. Nika being a completely separate entity, probably not even a real individual is likely for sure though, the Nika legends are probably just previous instances of awakened Model: Nika users.
 
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