General & Others Officially confirmed: Zoro is the vice captain

[Charlotte Horchata]

It's irrelevant what the appropriate term in english is for the second in command of a ship, the story is written from a japanese perspective and it should be respected as such.. In One Piece the second in command of a ship is called the Vice Captain( Fuku Senchou)..

What's the point of Right hand man title if not to describe the same idea than First mate, Vice Captain..

What's does "Japanese perspective" even mean? Oda is just writing in his language, there's no Japanese perspective there but a concept that isn't called "vice captain" in English, just like you don't call zebras "striped horses" only because that's what "shimauma" means in Japanese. Languages don't work like literal translations of others and you don't need to misapply a term like "vice captain" when English refers to the "first officer of a ship" (which is what 副船長 and synonyms like 副船长 mean) with the word "first mate".

"It should be respected as such"; dude, you're acting borderline weeaboo here. Oda isn't building a Shinto shrine around a word.

 

[ThunderSupernova]

That reasoning is like calling an admiral "general" just because both are top ranks. "Vice captain" isn't how you call the second in command of a ship; again, the term for that is "first mate". No "by definition" here.



Benn Beckman is a first mate (副船長) just like Rayleigh. "Vice captain" is the inaccurate term for "first mate" (they mean the same), which isn't the same as "right hand". "First mate", "right hand man" and "second strongest" are different concepts; some characters share them all (just like Rayleigh), but others don't (Katakuri seems to be just the second strongest with no other treatment from his mother).

Zoro is all of this.

- First Mate (which literally means "second in command" "vice captain") as his rank in the Strawhat crew
- Right Hand Man of Luffy (no Strawhat is as close to Luffy as Zoro is, in everything: trust, devotion, brotherhood, paths, powers)
- Second Strongest immediately after Luffy (who he got sometimes equally paralleled and compared in strength)

The evidence of Zoro being the First Mate/Right Hand Man/Second Strongest/Number Two it's so massive than to deny at this point is the same as to argue that the Earth is flat. Literally. It's at that level of bias and retardness.

It's just impossible to deny. There's just too much material implying and directly stating and showing it.
The amount of parallels between Zoro and other First Mates, and between Luffy/Zoro as a duo of Captain/First Mate and the other duos of Captains/First Mates is gargantuan.
It's as if Oda wanted people to put this in their heads and stop blabbering about the obvious.

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I don't know how there must always be that 10% that still dares to argue against the blatant evidence. Still in 2022. Even after all the massive evidence that is showed, stated and implied through manga, databooks and all the possible sources.

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro doesn't even need any title of such nature :cheers:

 

[Doggo]

Oda: You're talking about that cover, surely Zoro and the rest of the cover don't all
have the nickname "Deputy Captain". All these second man group I chose arbitrarily.

Oh yeah.
I was looking for this thread.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Zoro is all of this.

- First Mate (which literally means "second in command" "vice captain") as his rank in the Strawhat crew
- Right Hand Man of Luffy (no Strawhat is as close to Luffy as Zoro is, in everything: trust, devotion, brotherhood, paths, powers)
- Second Strongest immediately after Luffy (who he got sometimes equally paralleled and compared in strength)

The evidence of Zoro being the First Mate/Right Hand Man/Second Strongest/Number Two it's so massive than to deny at this point is the same as to argue that the Earth is flat. Literally. It's at that level of bias and retardness.

It's just impossible to deny. There's just too much material implying and directly stating and showing it.
The amount of parallels between Zoro and other First Mates, and between Luffy/Zoro as a duo of Captain/First Mate and the other duos of Captains/First Mates is gargantuan.
It's as if Oda wanted people to put this in their heads and stop blabbering about the obvious.

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I don't know how there must always be that 10% that still dares to argue against the blatant evidence. Still in 2022. Even after all the massive evidence that is showed, stated and implied through manga, databooks and all the possible sources.

It amazes me how much time you guys can waste supporting a point yet how hard you always fail at it.

Then Oda comes and says this:

Hello Odacchi, judging from the color spread of chapter 1031, Bepo is the No.2 of Heart Pirates?! I was surprised since I thought him, Penguin, and Shachi are all No.2s. So is Bepo (sulong form?) the strongest out of them?

Oda: talking about that color spread huh. Same goes for Zoro, not everyone on there holds the position of vice captain. They are just the No.2s that I picked out. Penguin and Shachi are more reliable in normal circumstances, but those two have seen Bepo's sulong transformation, so they acknowledge that "combat wise Bepo is superior!"

In case it isn't obvious enough that Zoro doesn't share the title of First Mate because his official role is Combatant per Vivre Card even though number twos like Rayleigh and Beckman have been explicitly addressed as such.

I don't deny that Zoro is the second strongest. I don't deny that Zoro is Luffy's right hand man (or wing). What I deny is that he's the first mate, because he has never been officially stated as such even when given the opportunity (and the only two times he's addressed are one mistranslation —Urouge never mentions "first mate" in Japanese— and a fanboy emphasizing that he's the first mate according to himself alone, so zero weight), because the Straw Hats dynamics don't need a first mate who is officially above everyone else but Luffy in terms of hierarchy, and finally because Oda himself had to come and say that not every character in that spread is a First Mate (duh) while stressing that "same goes for Zoro".

Seriously, I know all your "arguments" perfectly, including those which are flat out wrong (like Urouge's mistranslation). When Zoro is actually stated to be the first mate in a direct way just like every other first mate so far has been, then come to me. Until then you're trying to impose a solid hierarchy to a crew based on interdependence where, if anything, the informal heads after Luffy are his two wings, not Zoro alone.

Anything else, ask Oda why he isn't naming Zoro the first mate in one of his many Vivre Cards, or summaries, etc. and what he meant with said "Same goes for Zoro, not everyone on there holds the position..." if it's so clear he holds that title that doesn't equal second strongest nor right hand man.

 

[BakiDou]

It's over. Zoro is officially confirmed as right hand/vice captain/first mate or whatever you want to call the 2nd strongest in a group.
This was rather obvious, there is a shit ton of feats and portrayal from manga and databooks that are clear proof. A good 90% of people have always been sure of that, only a small minority dared to argue against the blatant evidence.
But now it's literally undesputable. Thankfully, Oda killed any remaining argument.

These characters (Marco, Shiryu, Ben Beckman, Rayleigh, Katakuri, King, Sabo, Killer, Bepo, Zoro) have nothing in common for Oda to put them together as if there was a precise reason.
Nothing in common; bar a single thing.
Being the obvious 2nds strongest/right hands/vice captain/first mates of their crews and groups.

The One Piece official account textually stated that Zoro and co are the Number Twos of their crews/groups.

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It's time to face a simple reality: no mindfuckery and bullshit about roles (Zoro and Killer are listed as "fighters" but they clearly act as vice captains/right hands), or about relationships (Shiryu joined the crew later than other characters), or about age (Katakuri being younger than Perospero).

This is a shonen and Oda makes things easy. Strength means hierarchy. Hierarchy is because of strength. The strongest is the leader and the captain. The 2nd strongest is the right hand of the captain and factually acts as vice captain. Then there's the rest of the crew.

The only difference is between right hands/2nds that are very close to the captain and almost as strong as him (Rayleigh to Roger, Zoro to Luffy, Ben to Shanks, Killer to Kidd) and right hands/2nds that while stronger than anyone else in the crew are not that close to the captain (King to Kaido, Katakuri to Big Mom, Marco to Whitebeard).

The beginning draft of the cover shows Oda's intent maybe even better than the final one: all characters are drew in the same way, and to Marco, Shiryu, Ben Beckman, Rayleigh, Katakuri, King, Sabo, Killer, Bepo and Zoro there are also added Mr 1 (Crocodile's right hand) and Vito (Capone's right hand).
Again, all these characters have nothing in common bar the most obvious thing: being the 2nd strongest in their respective crew/group.

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[faker]

Latest: officials say Zoro is not a vice captain

 

[Don Diego]

Conqueror of Ls

 

[Garp the Fist]

“Not everyone holds the position of Vice Captain”

We know that, it’s only Ray, Beckman and Sabo (with an equivalent) that do. The rest are de factos, the No 2s.

”they are just the No 2’s I picked out”

This does not mean that somehow Sanji is also a number 2. It just means he decided to pick out the ones in the colourspread. We saw in the timelapse of him making it at one point he was going to include Mr 1 and Vito but removed them. He could have put in the likes of Kine’mon, Vergo, Kizaru (?), Tashigi or Helmeppo as well, but stuck to these ones

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1457332199443869697

“blah blah Bepo is superior”

That’s the reason he’s there, Bepo > Shachi and Penguin.

 

[Ryuarashi]

This is sad, however it will be fun going back bumping all those ZKK threads of Zoro 2 shotting Kaido

 

[ThunderSupernova]

Lol it's bias or just inability to read english?

It was stated that not all those characters are the Vice Captains or their groups, but that rather all of them are the number twos in strength.
So this just means what we all know, which is Zoro >> Sanji. Otherwise instead of this...

... you would have got this.

But guess what? You didn't.

So nothing changes, sorry. We all know that Zoro is the DE FACTO vice captain, due to being the captain's right hand man, the strongest right after the captain, the closest to him in power, the one who shares parallels with him, the one who always fight the number twos of the other groups, the one who has parallels with the number twos of the other groups.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

 

[York]

"de facto vice captain because bluh bluh strong" not how it works, and you have nothing to back that up, but have fun

 

[Garp the Fist]

"de facto vice captain because bluh bluh strong" not how it works, and you have nothing to back that up, but have fun

“If he couldn’t do that much I’d have to take over as captain.”
”You must be the leader of the Blue Sea Pirates.”
”He’s so strong and he’s not the captain?”
”The 30 million bounty must really be that guys.”
”He’s worth 120 million and he’s only the second in command?”
”He’s the right hand man.”

Plus the Rayleigh parallels, taking Luffy’s pain, his role in the Usopp situation, various databooks and vivre card stuff.

Zoro’s obviously the de facto first mate. Oda literally calls him the number two in that question, that’s what a first mate is.

 

[sanjikun]

Oda "talking about that color spread huh. Same goes for Zoro, not everyone on there holds the position of vice captain. They are just the No.2s that I picked out."

Vice Captain is a position. Right hand is a role.

One's a formal position. One isn't. Marco is the right hand of Whitebeard, but his rank is Commander of 1st division.

Shiriew is the right hand of BB, but his rank is Captain of 2nd ship.

Beckman/Rayleigh are the only ones who have an official position as VC.

Oh look. I only posted about this 412 times

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Little did you know, Nami is the Vice Captain because she often smacks the Pirate King and World Strongest Swordsman around since forever...

 

[Kishido]

He is the VC

 

[Brendan Schaub]

@nik87
Number two
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الرقم اثنان
номер два
נומער צוויי
二番
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iki numaralı
두 번째
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ნომერი ორი
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[nik87]

@nik87
Number two
número dos
الرقم اثنان
номер два
נומער צוויי
二番
número dois
iki numaralı
두 번째
หมายเลขสอง
ნომერი ორი
नंबर दो
numerus duo

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Questioner: Hello Odachi! Based on the cover of Chapter 1031, the second man in the Heart Staff is Bebo, isn't it? I was surprised by this because I thought that the three Bebo, Bengin and Sachi together make up the second man! Does this mean that Beppu (Seolong) is the strongest among them? From Pudding O

Oda: You're talking about that cover, of course Zoro and the rest of the cover don't all have the title "Deputy Captain." These two men's group were all chosen arbitrarily

IN THE MUD! usopp is vice captain. zoro can be 2nd strongest, thats never been in doubt by anybody but sanji lunatics. but the zoro lunatics have to chill now. hes confirmed by oda NOT vice captain

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"of course zoro doesnt have the title vice captain" - goda