General & Others Ace’s Novel : Part 2

[Deleted member 83]

How long till we actually put stock into the people that actually live in that worlds point of view? It should be more legit than what we the viewers think shouldnt it?

Not saying it’s worthless, even though it was said with uncertainty, but that it’s not a “literally stated” fact like you said.
Regarding what you said about characters’ pov, when they bother to bring something up in the story, even if it might not be entirely true due it’s wording, there’s still value to consider it, that’s my stand on this topic.

 

[HPsyche]

Not saying it’s worthless, even though it was said with uncertainty, but that it’s not a “literally stated” fact like you said.
Regarding what you said about characters’ pov, when they bother to bring something up in the story, even if it might not be entirely true due it’s wording, there’s still value to discuss it, that’s my stand on this topic.

Bounty doesn't mean superiority.

You of all people should know this.

You've translated a hell of a lot of Vivre cards.

Burgess' bounty when he's a known Haki user and a Blackbeard recruit was 20 million or less.

Does that mean pre-skip, Nami with a 16m bounty is almost as strong as Burgess?

Bounty =/= Strength, we should know this by now.

 

[Fujishiro]

Actual Manga states Whitebeard as the s strongest assuming you've read chapte 233 before.

It's said the only person that could become Pirate King is the strongest Pirate, and that was Roger, and now Roger's dead, it's Whitebeard despite Kaido being around.

Kaido's only the most powerful in terms of durability, bar that, he's not the strongest.

Definitely can't be the strongest Pirate if he's going to be the first Emperor to be defeated by Luffy.

Manga said whitebeard is the wsm, then weve come to see that the man was sick and deteriorating rapidly when he removed his medical equipment.
To become the pirate king you dont need to be the strongest, you just need to find raftel. Roger just happened to be the strongest alongside whitebeard either.

Again, this is your headcanon where this novel they say strength. Stop using headcanon and then come back to me

All things point out that kaido is falling to a group, so when that happens and luffy goes on to 1vs1 another or 1vs2 how does that detract from kaido being the actual strongest currently? The manga keeps hyping him up, cpo is scared of him. Big mom hypes him up, Blackbeard hypes him up. Oda repeatedly hypes him up in and out of the manga and this novel is the latest addition. Yet people just turn off their brains and refuse to accept reality.

 

[Deleted member 83]

Bounty doesn't mean superiority.

You of all people should know this.

You've translated a hell of a lot of Vivre cards.

Burgess' bounty when he's a known Haki user and a Blackbeard recruit was 20 million or less.

Does that mean pre-skip, Nami with a 16m bounty is almost as strong as Burgess?

Bounty =/= Strength, we should know this by now.

Uhhh did you reply to the wrong person, when did I ever mentioned bounty???
And I don’t translate stuffs

 

[HPsyche]

Manga said whitebeard is the wsm, then weve come to see that the man was sick and deteriorating rapidly when he removed his medical equipment.

Being sick has nothing to do with not being the strongest.

Also, if you actually read Marineford war and actually read the SBS:

Whitebeard ripped his medical equipment prior to Marineford war, in fact.. he did it a day before the war which is why his condition was deteriorating quickly.

He ripped it off because he didn't need to be in his best condition to sink Marineford and die with the Navy. His goal wasn't to win and leave. His goalw as simply to save Ace and die with dignity knowing full well that even at his worst, he could come out victorious even with death and inability to fight to his full potential.

Even Marco points this out.

So, it's clear you don't understand the context of deterioration regarding Whitebeard and his title as the strongest. Whitebeard was the strongest.

To become the pirate king you dont need to be the strongest, you just need to find rafel. Roger just happened to be the strongest alongside whitebeard either.

Not true.

Can't become Pirate King without being the strongest.

Can't find Raftel without being the strongest.

There's a reason Roger and Whitebeard were the strongest in their era.

There's a reason Rayleigh specifically asked Luffy if he was strong enough when he said he wanted to be Pirate King (find One Piece) at Sabaody.

It's impossible.

If you are following the series, you'd know that Big Mom and Kaido own Poneglyphs. Can't acquire their Poneglyphs without strength.

Again, this is your headcanon where this novel they say strength. Stop using hedcanon and then come back to me

Nope, just telling you the facts.

All things point out that kaido is falling to a group, so when that happend and luffy goes on to 1vs1 another or 1vs2 how does that detract from kaido being the actual strongest currently? The manga keeps hyping him up, cpo is scared of him. Big mom hypes him up, Blackbeard hypes him up. Oda repeatedly hypes him up in and out of the manga and this novel is the latest addition. Yet people just turn off their brains and refuse to accept reality.

The Manga hypes him up as the strongest creature. He's lost 7 times as a Pirate if you do not exercise selective reading.

All his losses are not because they weren't 1 on 1s, that's something the fandom made up because they tend to create their own hype.

He's only hyped up as having impenetrable flesh and being a monster.

Big Mom fought him and it wasn't exactly like it was 1 sided, it was clearly even.

 

[HPsyche]

Uhhh did you reply to the wrong person, when did I ever mentioned bounty???
And I don’t translate stuffs

My bad, I mistook your signature as a response, new to the site apologies.

 

[Tejas]

Being sick has nothing to do with not being the strongest.

Also, if you actually read Marineford war and actually read the SBS:

Whitebeard ripped his medical equipment prior to Marineford war, in fact.. he did it a day before the war which is why his condition was deteriorating quickly.

He ripped it off because he didn't need to be in his best condition to sink Marineford and die with the Navy. His goal wasn't to win and leave. His goalw as simply to save Ace and die with dignity knowing full well that even at his worst, he could come out victorious even with death and inability to fight to his full potential.

Even Marco points this out.

So, it's clear you don't understand the context of deterioration regarding Whitebeard and his title as the strongest. Whitebeard was the strongest.



Not true.

Can't become Pirate King without being the strongest.

Can't find Raftel without being the strongest.

There's a reason Roger and Whitebeard were the strongest in their era.

There's a reason Rayleigh specifically asked Luffy if he was strong enough when he said he wanted to be Pirate King (find One Piece) at Sabaody.

It's impossible.

If you are following the series, you'd know that Big Mom and Kaido own Poneglyphs. Can't acquire their Poneglyphs without strength.



Nope, just telling you the facts.



The Manga hypes him up as the strongest creature. He's lost 7 times as a Pirate if you do not exercise selective reading.

All his losses are not because they weren't 1 on 1s, that's something the fandom made up because they tend to create their own hype.

He's only hyped up as having impenetrable flesh and being a monster.

Big Mom fought him and it wasn't exactly like it was 1 sided, it was clearly even.

"1 vs 1, always bet on Kaido." - Chapter 795

 

[Tejas]

He sunk the ships around them and we dont know how the fight went, most likely he got destroyed and survived. His greatest feat so far is endurance and taking a beating from stronger foes(Zunisha,fuji)

Zunisha Swing >>> King Kong Gun. And Jack was still conscious after that underwater, eventhough he is a DF user while Doffy fainted.

 

[HPsyche]

"1 vs 1, always bet on Kaido." - Chapter 795

A bet isn't something certain.

People bet you could win 1 million dollars if you played the lottery. Does that mean you will win the lottery? A bet is just a bet. A play on chance.

Only reason why Kaido is the best bet is because:

• Unlike Whitebeard
• Unlike Roger

He's the least likely to get a fatal injury because his flesh is impenetrable. If you can't be wounded easily, chances are you won't die.

If Whitebeard gets fatally wounded, he's dead. If Roger gets fatally wounded, he's dead.

Roger got killed by beheading.

Kaido cannot be beheaded or stabbed, thus, he's a good bet to win in any fight.

Not the same thing as being the better fighter.

 

[Tejas]

A bet isn't something certain.

People bet you could win 1 million dollars if you played the lottery. Does that mean you will win the lottery? A bet is just a bet. A play on chance.

Only reason why Kaido is the best bet is because:

• Unlike Whitebeard
• Unlike Roger

He's the least likely to get a fatal injury because his flesh is impenetrable. If you can't be wounded easily, chances are you won't die.

If Whitebeard gets fatally wounded, he's dead. If Roger gets fatally wounded, he's dead.

Roger got killed by beheading.

Kaido cannot be beheaded or stabbed, thus, he's a good bet to win in any fight.

Not the same thing as being the better fighter.

Other top tiers dont even have that 1 vs 1 bet fame.

 

[Sentinel]

Other top tiers dont even have that 1 vs 1 bet fame.

It's just empty hype.
That "1vs1 always bet on Kaido" is as much credible as people saying Luffy may be 8m tall.

Hence rumors or empty hype doesn't say anything about Kaido's individual strength as a fighter.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Whitebeard( the strongest) fell at marineford.

Whitebeard wasn't the big bad of Marineford, became Luffy's ally, and was set up to be replaced by Blackbeard, who is Luffy's enemy. They're not the same thing.

One piece doesnt follow the each arcs villain is stronger than the one before formula. For example enel wouldve mopped the floor with everyone luffy fought after and before, magella would destroy ceasar and have a close fight with doffy and doffy would beat jack for sure. And you gotta keep in mind if kaido fallls to a huge group and then luffy goes on to solo his next foe( be it akainu or blackbeard) then that doesnt detract from kaido being the current strongest.

Not every arc villain is comparable. Mr. 3 and 5 were Crocodile's subordinates with their own arcs; they can get away with being weaker than previous arc villains because Crocodile was the "real" big bad of those arcs and the saga itself. Caesar Clown was like this to Doflamingo alongside his actual subordinates (Vergo and Monet). Wapol and Foxy with their short arcs were warm-ups to the real big bads of their sagas (Crocodile, Lucci). Hordy Jones, who may pale in comparison to later pre-TS villains, was a warm up for the post-TS Straw Hats before fighting the real deals of New World.

 

[HPsyche]

Other top tiers dont even have that 1 vs 1 bet fame.

Not really relevant.

When Whitebeard was alive, he was the only one acknowldged as being capable of becoming Pirate King.

After Whitebeard's death, it's the "Throne Wars"....

Whitebeard is not around, yet Kaido who you assume to be the strongest is not even deemed to be the closest to the throne. It's really up in the air.

If Kaido were the strongest, he'd be the closest to One Piece and becoming Pirate King.

Being bet on is nothing to be famous about; Whitebeard was pretty much said to be someone that couldn't be defeated, there was nothing to bet about regarding Whitebeard.

Kaido went to go after Kaido and got turned around by Shanks.

As Crocodile said, the only reason people even came after Whitebeard during the Marineford war was because... that was the only opportunity to defeat Whitebeard. Shortly after Crocodile said this, what happens? Kaido tries to go after Whitebeard at his most vulnerable. Not coincidence.

Kaido isn't the strongest Pirate, he's just the Pirate with a body close to being invincible or the closest to immortality. That's really it.

 

[Valtiel]

It's just empty hype.
That "1vs1 always bet on Kaido" is as much credible as people saying Luffy may be 8m tall.

Hence rumors or empty hype doesn't say anything about Kaido's individual strength as a fighter.

How do you know it's just empty hype ?
it was stated in his introduction box... it's not comparable to what a random guy says about luffy.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

How do you know it's just empty hype ?
it was stated in his introduction box... it's not comparable to what a random guy says about luffy.

His introduction box calls him the "King Of Beasts," and the "one-one-one, bet on Kaido" is what people think in the One Piece verse.

 

[Sentinel]

How do you know it's just empty hype ?

At least his "on 1vs1 always bet on Kaido" is just empty hype.
The narrator said the words "people say..." and implied that these people only discussed about Kaido's strength just like us.

They don't have the knowledge of the narrator when it comes about characters.

Another example would be Katakuri; "He's invincible", "He never fell on his back" when the latter was directly debunked during that Merienda incident.

it was stated in his introduction box...

Only his WSC was mentioned AFAIK.
And as @HPsyche explained, his WSC may be only refered on his monstrous durability and strength - things which are not the only necessary stats for a fighter.

it's not comparable to what a random guy says about luffy.

When it comes about these bets, it's definitely comparable to some rumors regarding Luffy.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Only his WSC was mentioned AFAIK.
And as @HPsyche explained, his WSC may be only refered on his monstrous durability and strength - things which are not the only stats necessary for a fighter.

I just think it means his species are the strongest at best. It doesn't mean he can beat Shanks.

 

[Fujishiro]

Being sick has nothing to do with not being the strongest.

Also, if you actually read Marineford war and actually read the SBS:

Whitebeard ripped his medical equipment prior to Marineford war, in fact.. he did it a day before the war which is why his condition was deteriorating quickly.

He ripped it off because he didn't need to be in his best condition to sink Marineford and die with the Navy. His goal wasn't to win and leave. His goalw as simply to save Ace and die with dignity knowing full well that even at his worst, he could come out victorious even with death and inability to fight to his full potential.

Even Marco points this out.

So, it's clear you don't understand the context of deterioration regarding Whitebeard and his title as the strongest. Whitebeard was the strongest.



Not true.

Can't become Pirate King without being the strongest.

Can't find Raftel without being the strongest.

There's a reason Roger and Whitebeard were the strongest in their era.

There's a reason Rayleigh specifically asked Luffy if he was strong enough when he said he wanted to be Pirate King (find One Piece) at Sabaody.

It's impossible.

If you are following the series, you'd know that Big Mom and Kaido own Poneglyphs. Can't acquire their Poneglyphs without strength.



Nope, just telling you the facts.



The Manga hypes him up as the strongest creature. He's lost 7 times as a Pirate if you do not exercise selective reading.

All his losses are not because they weren't 1 on 1s, that's something the fandom made up because they tend to create their own hype.

He's only hyped up as having impenetrable flesh and being a monster.

Big Mom fought him and it wasn't exactly like it was 1 sided, it was clearly even.

You basically told me nothing that i already didnt know. He the novel says that whitebeard's condition started deteriorating after thatch died, during the time thatch was alive kaido was considered>oldbeard.
Rayleigh asked him if he could do that and be strong enough yes but he never said can you be as strong as roger. Again,roger snuck into big mom's territory read the poneglpy then dipped. You dont do that to someone you high diff at best, then you have the fact that none of the feats roger and or whitebeard have shown puts them significantly above the current top tiers. Roger considered admirals( sengoku and garp) to be a challenge. Its this community's warped view of their powerlevel that led them to believe that they mid diff current top tiers. As evidence by you saying that his fight against big mom shouldve been one sided if he was above oldbeard. Which is a pretty dumb stance to take.Of course when we say kaido is the strongest and when the manga says it, its by a tiny marging. AkA An Akainu and aokiji situation.

And you arent telling me the facts, you wanna know the facts ? Sengoku hyping up kaido for rising to the position of yonko by pure physical might alone, big mom who has even more feats as a kid than oden for being monstruously strong being matched by kaido, him one shoting luffy. Oden, the same guy who years prior to their fight took a named attack from roger and stood up with just bruises got knocked out in one hit while in a stronger version of himself. What you said arent facts, its headcanon because nowhere was it said that the only reason hes hyped is for his impenetrable flesh, he is hyped as much if not more for his physical strength.

And before you come at me and say oh well oden was distracted, akainu was snuck on by ENRAGED whitebeard and wasnt knocked out. This is a testament to kaidos Brute force.

 

[Fujishiro]

At least his "on 1vs1 always bet on Kaido" is just empty hype.
The narrator said the words "people say..." and implied that these people only discussed about Kaido's strength just like us.

They don't have the knowledge of the narrator when it comes about characters.

Another example would be Katakuri; "He's invincible", "He never fell on his back" when the latter was directly debunked during that Merienda incident.



Only his WSC was mentioned AFAIK.
And as @HPsyche explained, his WSC may be only refered on his monstrous durability and strength - things which are not the only necessary stats for a fighter.



When it comes about these bets, it's definitely comparable to some rumors regarding Luffy.

Id take the words of a yonko commander whos seen his captain in action and then see kaido over words from a random dude talking about someone hes never seen.

 

[Fujishiro]

I just think it means his species are the strongest at best. It doesn't mean he can beat Shanks.

Why not? What makes shanks so special? Oh wait nothing. Unless you think shanks>oldbeard when the anime itself shows shanks considering whitebeard stronger than him. The kaido > whitebeard thing trumps it. I dont get why people are fighting this so damn hard.