General & Others Ace’s Novel : Part 2
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Whitebeard( the strongest) fell at marineford. One piece doesnt follow the each arcs villain is stronger than the one before formula. For example enel wouldve mopped the floor with everyone luffy fought after and before, magella would destroy ceasar and have a close fight with doffy and doffy would beat jack for sure. And you gotta keep in mind if kaido fallls to a huge group and then luffy goes on to solo his next foe( be it akainu or blackbeard) then that doesnt detract from kaido being the current strongest.
Yeah oda was heavily involved with the novel, him and the author had frequent meetings where they would exchange notes and the author would ask him what he should put in it. After all that, Oda and shueisha gave him the okay to publish it. This is oda's way of fleshing out one piece outside of the manga. Since he sure as hell isnt gonna mention most of the stuff there in the manga anyways.
End of the day, the novels not written by Oda and he could easily ignore everything about it in the series. They're not too much different from the movies really, or anime filler (Strong World excepted).
I don't see any problem with using them in an arguments, but I would say you're better off having something from the manga to be the main point and the novel's being backup to that.
I don't see any problem with using them in an arguments, but I would say you're better off having something from the manga to be the main point and the novel's being backup to that.
No it wouldn't. Stop throwing around the phrase bad writing.
If Kaido goes down here it takes away nothing from any opponents Luffy faces in the future. The difficulty of fights goes up in every shounen but opponents can be difficult and pose a challenge in a completely different way. Kaido may be physically the strongest but other opponents can be far more difficult for different reasons. Enel might be able to defeat Rob Lucci. But physically Rob Lucci was a far more difficult opponent for Luffy than Enel was.
Fights aren't as simple as having a higher power level and needing a higher power level to be a threat.
If Kaido goes down here it takes away nothing from any opponents Luffy faces in the future. The difficulty of fights goes up in every shounen but opponents can be difficult and pose a challenge in a completely different way. Kaido may be physically the strongest but other opponents can be far more difficult for different reasons. Enel might be able to defeat Rob Lucci. But physically Rob Lucci was a far more difficult opponent for Luffy than Enel was.
Fights aren't as simple as having a higher power level and needing a higher power level to be a threat.
There's a mistake here I believe. Whitebeard is the strongest pirate. The only difference is Kaido is the strongest creature ,i.e., Kaido has a body that cannot be injured easily to such a degree he's essentially immortal.
Whitebeard would die if he were stabbed, hung or put under the guillotine. Kaido on the other hand could be asleep and none of these would hurt him because his flesh is more or less made of steel in its effect.
It's not that Kaido is stronger than Whitebeard as a fighter, it's more of a case of Kaido being almost immortal due to his body make-up that he stands superior to Whitebeard.
Simply put, in the sense of who is physically closest to immortality, Kaido's superior to Whitebeard; this is not the same thing as being the weaker fighter.
Whitebeard would die if he were stabbed, hung or put under the guillotine. Kaido on the other hand could be asleep and none of these would hurt him because his flesh is more or less made of steel in its effect.
It's not that Kaido is stronger than Whitebeard as a fighter, it's more of a case of Kaido being almost immortal due to his body make-up that he stands superior to Whitebeard.
Simply put, in the sense of who is physically closest to immortality, Kaido's superior to Whitebeard; this is not the same thing as being the weaker fighter.
-It is say that Old Beard is weaker than Primebeard but not how much weaker, i got it wrong but then again they didnt say much weaker, just weaker.
And this, for those who are spouting headcanon about kaido being stronger only due to apparent immortality:
-It is said that Kaido was above WB in term of strength (Rivaille's note: it is not said if it is Primebeard or Oldbeard but i thin that they are talking of the WB of the novel)
And this, for those who are spouting headcanon about kaido being stronger only due to apparent immortality:
-It is said that Kaido was above WB in term of strength (Rivaille's note: it is not said if it is Primebeard or Oldbeard but i thin that they are talking of the WB of the novel)
Actual Manga states Whitebeard as the s strongest assuming you've read chapte 233 before.
It's said the only person that could become Pirate King is the strongest Pirate, and that was Roger, and now Roger's dead, it's Whitebeard despite Kaido being around.
Kaido's only the most powerful in terms of durability, bar that, he's not the strongest.
Definitely can't be the strongest Pirate if he's going to be the first Emperor to be defeated by Luffy.
It's said the only person that could become Pirate King is the strongest Pirate, and that was Roger, and now Roger's dead, it's Whitebeard despite Kaido being around.
Kaido's only the most powerful in terms of durability, bar that, he's not the strongest.
Definitely can't be the strongest Pirate if he's going to be the first Emperor to be defeated by Luffy.