Questions & Mysteries Will Luffy lose yet again?! Or will the fight stop? Luffy vs Kaido
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I am making a post about why Kaido vs Nika Luffy is more important than it seems but for now i want to see what you might think of the possibility of Luffy losing again or postponing the fight.
So why i and many others might think that this fight could result in Luffy's loss or the postponement of the fight.
1- We still haven't seen the teased Flashback of Kaido.
- If a Villain has a flashback Oda always teases it.
- If the Villain has no flashback like Crocodile Or Enel Oda only touches on their intentions.
2- We still don't know the reason why Kaido chose Wano.
- Why is that important you might ask. Every Villain so far in One Piece reveals their intentions before their actual demise in Luffy's hand.
- It usually triggers the flashback of the Villain or the Lore of the Country/island.
3- The Lore behind Wano and Momonuske / Zunesha's plots are still running.
- Momo's hesitations on opening Wano after reading Oden's Journal is interesting and it could be tied to the reason why Kaido chose Wano.
- Why is Zunesha here? It can't be just to destroy fodders ships. I have a feeling its tied to "Opening the borders" of Wano.
4- Luffy's awakening have removed every tension Kaido caused after his descending in the Live Floor.
- The moment Kaido acted like an actual tyrant to give us readers the feeling of tension have been removed and reduced to gag/funny fight scenes which can't result in a serious impactful defeat for Kaido. Unless that is what Oda wants from Luffy vs Kaido for now. ZKK maybe?
5- The islanders/Citizens of Wano are still in the safe zone and Oda made sure they don't get to notice anything even BM's explosions was rendered silent for no one to hear.
- Every Major Villain always includes the Citizens of the island they "rule/or wish to rule" to create this massive chaos and push the feels of danger and actual fear into the characters of the arc only for Luffy to break everything and beat the Villain. This should include Momo's decision about Wano.
6- Lastly Kaido as a character and as a Villain is quite unique "Big Post soon hopefully".
- Kaido to me looks like a Luffy who lost his way and turned evil.
- Kaido is a Villain which luck seems to have robbed him of earning victories himself which translate to him having honor and as a Villain its something special.
- Wano is the only arc that featured a dual Villain Orochi/Kaido. Many readers point all the blame towards Kaido forgetting the fact that the reason Kaido is here is Orochi and the fact is Kaido was handed everything by doing nothing other than being the muscle behind Orochi according to their deal. It was all Orochi and now Kaido is making an actual move towards Wano.
Now yes i know that some of these plotpoints can be addressed after Kaido's defeat. But the question is what is more impactful ? Before or After?
There are 2 extra thing that can be skipped or addressed in a flashback:-
1- Big Mom said in 1038 that she still hasn't heard Kaido's usual Victory Cry yet. Are we going to see this in a flashback? Or the plot of him being robbed of 2 major victories over people he deemed worthy "Oden and Luffy" will be resolved in his Major Victory over Nika Luffy?
2- Kaido in 1045 might have confirmed that Zoan users have an awakening form? I still suggest that the Dragon Form is the Strongest/Durable/Physically powerful form but is the slowest in terms of speed and Hybrid is a the middle ground between Durability and Speed. Now if Zoans have an awakening form i am curios to see how the balances of the known forms will be. And lastly if Luffy is going to surpass Kaido and if an awakening form exist for Kaido then there is no way the fight is over without Kaido using that form.
So what do you feel?
Is Luffy going to lose? Is the fight going to be postponed? Or Nah Nika Luffy Bazooka Kaido out of Earth?
So why i and many others might think that this fight could result in Luffy's loss or the postponement of the fight.
1- We still haven't seen the teased Flashback of Kaido.
- If a Villain has a flashback Oda always teases it.
- If the Villain has no flashback like Crocodile Or Enel Oda only touches on their intentions.
2- We still don't know the reason why Kaido chose Wano.
- Why is that important you might ask. Every Villain so far in One Piece reveals their intentions before their actual demise in Luffy's hand.
- It usually triggers the flashback of the Villain or the Lore of the Country/island.
3- The Lore behind Wano and Momonuske / Zunesha's plots are still running.
- Momo's hesitations on opening Wano after reading Oden's Journal is interesting and it could be tied to the reason why Kaido chose Wano.
- Why is Zunesha here? It can't be just to destroy fodders ships. I have a feeling its tied to "Opening the borders" of Wano.
4- Luffy's awakening have removed every tension Kaido caused after his descending in the Live Floor.
- The moment Kaido acted like an actual tyrant to give us readers the feeling of tension have been removed and reduced to gag/funny fight scenes which can't result in a serious impactful defeat for Kaido. Unless that is what Oda wants from Luffy vs Kaido for now. ZKK maybe?
5- The islanders/Citizens of Wano are still in the safe zone and Oda made sure they don't get to notice anything even BM's explosions was rendered silent for no one to hear.
- Every Major Villain always includes the Citizens of the island they "rule/or wish to rule" to create this massive chaos and push the feels of danger and actual fear into the characters of the arc only for Luffy to break everything and beat the Villain. This should include Momo's decision about Wano.
6- Lastly Kaido as a character and as a Villain is quite unique "Big Post soon hopefully".
- Kaido to me looks like a Luffy who lost his way and turned evil.
- Kaido is a Villain which luck seems to have robbed him of earning victories himself which translate to him having honor and as a Villain its something special.
- Wano is the only arc that featured a dual Villain Orochi/Kaido. Many readers point all the blame towards Kaido forgetting the fact that the reason Kaido is here is Orochi and the fact is Kaido was handed everything by doing nothing other than being the muscle behind Orochi according to their deal. It was all Orochi and now Kaido is making an actual move towards Wano.
Now yes i know that some of these plotpoints can be addressed after Kaido's defeat. But the question is what is more impactful ? Before or After?
There are 2 extra thing that can be skipped or addressed in a flashback:-
1- Big Mom said in 1038 that she still hasn't heard Kaido's usual Victory Cry yet. Are we going to see this in a flashback? Or the plot of him being robbed of 2 major victories over people he deemed worthy "Oden and Luffy" will be resolved in his Major Victory over Nika Luffy?
2- Kaido in 1045 might have confirmed that Zoan users have an awakening form? I still suggest that the Dragon Form is the Strongest/Durable/Physically powerful form but is the slowest in terms of speed and Hybrid is a the middle ground between Durability and Speed. Now if Zoans have an awakening form i am curios to see how the balances of the known forms will be. And lastly if Luffy is going to surpass Kaido and if an awakening form exist for Kaido then there is no way the fight is over without Kaido using that form.
So what do you feel?
Is Luffy going to lose? Is the fight going to be postponed? Or Nah Nika Luffy Bazooka Kaido out of Earth?
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I am making a post about why Kaido vs Nika Luffy is more important than it seems but for now i want to see what you might think of the possibility of Luffy losing again or postponing the fight.
So why i and many others might think that this fight could result in Luffy's loss or the postponement of the fight.
1- We still haven't seen the teased Flashback of Kaido.
- If a Villain has a flashback Oda always teases it.
- If the Villain has no flashback like Crocodile Or Enel Oda only touches on their intentions.
2- We still don't know the reason why Kaido chose Wano.
- Why is that important you might ask. Every Villain so far in One Piece reveals their intentions before their actual demise in Luffy's hand.
- It usually triggers the flashback of the Villain or the Lore of the Country/island.
3- The Lore behind Wano and Momonuske / Zunesha's plots are still running.
- Momo's hesitations on opening Wano after reading Oden's Journal is interesting and it could be tied to the reason why Kaido chose Wano.
- Why is Zunesha here? It can't be just to destroy fodders ships. I have a feeling its tied to "Opening the borders" of Wano.
4- Luffy's awakening have removed every tension Kaido caused after his descending in the Live Floor.
- The moment Kaido acted like an actual tyrant to give us readers the feeling of tension have been removed and reduced to gag/funny fight scenes which can't result in a serious impactful defeat for Kaido. Unless that is what Oda wants from Luffy vs Kaido for now. ZKK maybe?
5- The islanders/Citizens of Wano are still in the safe zone and Oda made sure they don't get to notice anything even BM's explosions was rendered silent for no one to hear.
- Every Major Villain always includes the Citizens of the island they "rule/or wish to rule" to create this massive chaos and push the feels of danger and actual fear into the characters of the arc only for Luffy to break everything and beat the Villain. This should include Momo's decision about Wano.
6- Lastly Kaido as a character and as a Villain is quite unique "Big Post soon hopefully".
- Kaido to me looks like a Luffy who lost his way and turned evil.
- Kaido is a Villain which luck seems to have robbed him of earning victories himself which translate to him having honor and as a Villain its something special.
- Wano is the only arc that featured a dual Villain Orochi/Kaido. Many readers point all the blame towards Kaido forgetting the fact that the reason Kaido is here is Orochi and the fact is Kaido was handed everything by doing nothing other than being the muscle behind Orochi according to their deal. It was all Orochi and now Kaido is making an actual move towards Wano.
Now yes i know that some of these plotpoints can be addressed after Kaido's defeat. But the question is what is more impactful ? Before or After?
There are 2 extra thing that can be skipped or addressed in a flashback:-
1- Big Mom said in 1038 that she still hasn't heard Kaido's usual Victory Cry yet. Are we going to see this in a flashback? Or the plot of him being robbed of 2 major victories over people he deemed worthy "Oden and Luffy" will be resolved in his Major Victory over Nika Luffy?
2- Kaido in 1045 might have confirmed that Zoan users have an awakening form? I still suggest that the Dragon Form is the Strongest/Durable/Physically powerful form but is the slowest in terms of speed and Hybrid is a the middle ground between Durability and Speed. Now if Zoans have an awakening form i am curios to see how the balances of the known forms will be. And lastly if Luffy is going to surpass Kaido and if an awakening form exist for Kaido then there is no way the fight is over without Kaido using that form.
So what do you feel?
Is Luffy going to lose? Is the fight going to be postponed? Or Nah Nika Luffy Bazooka Kaido out of Earth?
So why i and many others might think that this fight could result in Luffy's loss or the postponement of the fight.
1- We still haven't seen the teased Flashback of Kaido.
- If a Villain has a flashback Oda always teases it.
- If the Villain has no flashback like Crocodile Or Enel Oda only touches on their intentions.
2- We still don't know the reason why Kaido chose Wano.
- Why is that important you might ask. Every Villain so far in One Piece reveals their intentions before their actual demise in Luffy's hand.
- It usually triggers the flashback of the Villain or the Lore of the Country/island.
3- The Lore behind Wano and Momonuske / Zunesha's plots are still running.
- Momo's hesitations on opening Wano after reading Oden's Journal is interesting and it could be tied to the reason why Kaido chose Wano.
- Why is Zunesha here? It can't be just to destroy fodders ships. I have a feeling its tied to "Opening the borders" of Wano.
4- Luffy's awakening have removed every tension Kaido caused after his descending in the Live Floor.
- The moment Kaido acted like an actual tyrant to give us readers the feeling of tension have been removed and reduced to gag/funny fight scenes which can't result in a serious impactful defeat for Kaido. Unless that is what Oda wants from Luffy vs Kaido for now. ZKK maybe?
5- The islanders/Citizens of Wano are still in the safe zone and Oda made sure they don't get to notice anything even BM's explosions was rendered silent for no one to hear.
- Every Major Villain always includes the Citizens of the island they "rule/or wish to rule" to create this massive chaos and push the feels of danger and actual fear into the characters of the arc only for Luffy to break everything and beat the Villain. This should include Momo's decision about Wano.
6- Lastly Kaido as a character and as a Villain is quite unique "Big Post soon hopefully".
- Kaido to me looks like a Luffy who lost his way and turned evil.
- Kaido is a Villain which luck seems to have robbed him of earning victories himself which translate to him having honor and as a Villain its something special.
- Wano is the only arc that featured a dual Villain Orochi/Kaido. Many readers point all the blame towards Kaido forgetting the fact that the reason Kaido is here is Orochi and the fact is Kaido was handed everything by doing nothing other than being the muscle behind Orochi according to their deal. It was all Orochi and now Kaido is making an actual move towards Wano.
Now yes i know that some of these plotpoints can be addressed after Kaido's defeat. But the question is what is more impactful ? Before or After?
There are 2 extra thing that can be skipped or addressed in a flashback:-
1- Big Mom said in 1038 that she still hasn't heard Kaido's usual Victory Cry yet. Are we going to see this in a flashback? Or the plot of him being robbed of 2 major victories over people he deemed worthy "Oden and Luffy" will be resolved in his Major Victory over Nika Luffy?
2- Kaido in 1045 might have confirmed that Zoan users have an awakening form? I still suggest that the Dragon Form is the Strongest/Durable/Physically powerful form but is the slowest in terms of speed and Hybrid is a the middle ground between Durability and Speed. Now if Zoans have an awakening form i am curios to see how the balances of the known forms will be. And lastly if Luffy is going to surpass Kaido and if an awakening form exist for Kaido then there is no way the fight is over without Kaido using that form.
So what do you feel?
Is Luffy going to lose? Is the fight going to be postponed? Or Nah Nika Luffy Bazooka Kaido out of Earth?
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Yes that much is clear. Maybe i didn't convey my thoughts well. All i am saying is that there are many plots that are still not resolved one of them is Kaido's flashback - intentions - Chaos within Wano not on Onigashima. And there are plot points that might lead to this current fight to a halt or a loss for Luffy for now.
Which one do you think will happen or do you not agree on the matter at all and believes that Luffy will just beat Kaido in their current situation?
Which one do you think will happen or do you not agree on the matter at all and believes that Luffy will just beat Kaido in their current situation?
No I agree that he should have a FB and hopefully a powerup, but I still believe Luffy will win his fight. For example, I can potentially see his FB happening as he loses (think Senor Pink). If awakening happens, it really should happen this coming chapter, but I guess there is a possibility it happens after Luffy "wins" per se.
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Lol it’s people like this that I wanna see cope the hardest with zkk .😂😂😂 This dude feels like Oda can’t have the creative liberty to change stuff up in his own story 😂😂😂, Instead he chooses to ignore all the clear evidence in front of him of the straw hats getting up ,and zoro being rushed to be treated,enmas importance to the arc,inherited will etc because it’s been that way for so long 😂😂😂
Ah this user again. You'll see nothing. It's not about "Oda not having creative liberty to change stuff up in his own story", it's that YOU and a specific sect of people think it's happening based on nothing but loose dialogue from pre-1010 chapters. Zoro made his mark on Kaido already. It happeneed. The story of Zoro and Kaido ended there, then it became about healing up and focusing on King.
Not to mention:
- Crew gets up every arc after the fights and does stuff.
- Zoro was already healed. He needs to get to Chopper to not die, not get up a 3rd time lmao....
- Zoro wasn't the only person who Inherited Oden's will. So did Luffy. So did Yamato. So did Momo. Yamato and Momo have quite literally referenced Luffy as the sole savior of Wano against Kaido
But okay, keep believing in that theory
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This happen because it hasn't changed in 25 years lol, but keep thinking it will
Not to mention:
- Crew gets up every arc after the fights and does stuff.
- Zoro was already healed. He needs to get to Chopper to not die, not get up a 3rd time lmao....
- Zoro wasn't the only person who Inherited Oden's will. So did Luffy. So did Yamato. So did Momo. Yamato and Momo have quite literally referenced Luffy as the sole savior of Wano against Kaido
But okay, keep believing in that theory
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This happen because it hasn't changed in 25 years lol, but keep thinking it will
Hell yea I’m that user 😂😂😂😂 always will be too. Ur free to feel that way Mr Normal but all it really takes is for kaido to get on your boy luffy ass, ur so confident that this ends the same ole way when In reality awakening is a thing,regardless if it happens prior to a luffy win or after a luffy win u can count on kaido getting up the same way luffy bounces back.Finally yes those people have odens will lol but zoro has the weapon needed to completely end the terror that is kaido not luffy through punching,Yamato already said she wasn’t strong enough,momo….tf that lil dude gonna do 😂😂😂momo kill kaido now…there’s only one man built for the job and remember 1033 swords are meant for killing.
Would be great if Luffy loses again and this time in front of everyone on the live floor, the Drama it would create.. People are also making light of awakening and kaido’s Zoan form awakening saying he’s been using it all along or something..
Luffy got 2 Hormone shots from lvankov in Marineford it’s possible Zoro get up again..
Luffy got 2 Hormone shots from lvankov in Marineford it’s possible Zoro get up again..