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Yamato has no dream, she has a desire. Please quote the manga where the word "dream" appears.
A desire can change as it has for almost every important character and because this is a logical storytelling process. Read that post before replying something I've already answered or you will be ignored again.
A desire can change as it has for almost every important character and because this is a logical storytelling process. Read that post before replying something I've already answered or you will be ignored again.
In this context theyre the same thing
By saying that about Yamato after she stated to Kaido that she wants to leave with Luffy (meaning she wants to leave Onigashima AND Wano) works against you as well
Because Carrot never said she wanted to go out to sea specially with Luffy and co., they just happen to be there
And correct me if im wrong but youre saying the anime isnt the manga so you cant count it
Werent you spear heading the argument about Carrot getting an extra scene in Zou telling Luffy how amazing the crew is?
By saying that about Yamato after she stated to Kaido that she wants to leave with Luffy (meaning she wants to leave Onigashima AND Wano) works against you as well
Because Carrot never said she wanted to go out to sea specially with Luffy and co., they just happen to be there
And correct me if im wrong but youre saying the anime isnt the manga so you cant count it
Werent you spear heading the argument about Carrot getting an extra scene in Zou telling Luffy how amazing the crew is?
Not at all. There is a strong difference between a dream/goal in a story and a desire.
A dream/goal is fundamental, it can't change (without a enormous power and a strong desillusion for the character and most of the time it comes from the exterior to the interior) A desire on the other hand is ponctual in the story, it relates to the dream/goal but it can change while STILL being connected to it.
In fact Yamato has a goal: To be free. I can't say that it is a dream, but that's definitely a goal and it can't change. On the other hand, the way to achieve that goal CAN change. It's not stuck in stone. The reason Yamato first choosed the sea was not because of the sea but because of the freedom she thinks the sea will give her in relation to what Oden lived. But there is a multitude of way to achive that freedom:
- To become an ambassador
- To create her own crew
- To join the strawhats
- To choose to stay on Wano because of her values
- To follow Momo
Etc.
Nothing here is set in stone. And desires tends to change. All the more in One Piece where important characters - like Morj "tried" to demonstrate - tend to have desire's change between the beginning and the end of their character arc.
Wrong. It works actually for me. Why ?
In good stories desires to become the opposite or a twist on the original desire (spoiler alert):
- Jack Sparrow, Pirate 1/2/3 is first egotistical and only wants immortality for himself but gives it up at the end to save his friend
- Grant, in Jurassic Park, starts with a hate for children, but he will developp a relationship with them and will end up doing everything to keep them safe at the end
- Wall-E's main desire will be to stay close to Eve.. but he will end up doing everything to Bring everyone back on Earth, Eve's first mission.
Desire are related to the flaws and the needs of the character.
Let's say that you begin your story with an old man protagonist, alone in his house. He will do everything to keep away children's out of his home.
The desire: To keep Children's out
The flaws : The old man is crunky, and has a very associable behavior
The need : The character needs to understand that being alone will only get him so far..
At the beginning a little child, let's say a far relative having no one else.. will be given to his care...
And with that, you have the beginning of a story. (I simplified things here, it's a bit more technical in reality)
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This is a simple exemple to make you understand that the primary desire is but a consequence of the flaws/personnality of the protagonist and in most stories.. because the protagonist is bound to evolve.. the desire is bound to evolve with them. (The old man will understand to take care of this boy and will be more welcoming of the neightboors) - It changes in something more personnal, more logical, more ethical. (sometimes the exact opposite of that, for example Anakin in Star Wars E3 primary desire is to help the Jedi council understand the truth behind chancelor Palpatine's skeam, and ends up following him at the ends, destroying the Jedi order)
In the case of Yamato, there is nothing really personnal in her wish to join Luffy, it's but a consequence of what she heard about him and her goal to be free. Like Yamato said it herself: "As Ace brother, I figured you would let me a place on your ship". > This is not a logical reasonning.
That is why I think something much more personnal is coming for Yamato, something that will truly make her udnerstand how she can achieve freedom. But for that: Yamato needs something: To understand who she really is and to accept her responsilities as a guide for Momo. (at least, that's what the story is hinting so far)
Primary desire: To sail the seas
Flaws : Yamato is not acting for herself or as herself
Need : Yamato needs to live for her, for her own life, she needs to understand what she truly want
For Carrot it's the same but in the opposite. Carrot never stated that she wanted to leave forever with Luffy like you all keep saying, she wanted at first just to go on a simple adventure.
Primary desire: To have fun
Flaws: Carrot don't understand the hardship of the seas and is constantly driven to defeats for her and others
Need: Carrot needs do understand who she truly is in front of hardship and that she deserves to be a pirate.
Only as a response to someone saying the anime is canon. In reality, it doesn't matter.
A dream/goal is fundamental, it can't change (without a enormous power and a strong desillusion for the character and most of the time it comes from the exterior to the interior) A desire on the other hand is ponctual in the story, it relates to the dream/goal but it can change while STILL being connected to it.
In fact Yamato has a goal: To be free. I can't say that it is a dream, but that's definitely a goal and it can't change. On the other hand, the way to achieve that goal CAN change. It's not stuck in stone. The reason Yamato first choosed the sea was not because of the sea but because of the freedom she thinks the sea will give her in relation to what Oden lived. But there is a multitude of way to achive that freedom:
- To become an ambassador
- To create her own crew
- To join the strawhats
- To choose to stay on Wano because of her values
- To follow Momo
Etc.
Nothing here is set in stone. And desires tends to change. All the more in One Piece where important characters - like Morj "tried" to demonstrate - tend to have desire's change between the beginning and the end of their character arc.
Wrong. It works actually for me. Why ?
In good stories desires to become the opposite or a twist on the original desire (spoiler alert):
- Jack Sparrow, Pirate 1/2/3 is first egotistical and only wants immortality for himself but gives it up at the end to save his friend
- Grant, in Jurassic Park, starts with a hate for children, but he will developp a relationship with them and will end up doing everything to keep them safe at the end
- Wall-E's main desire will be to stay close to Eve.. but he will end up doing everything to Bring everyone back on Earth, Eve's first mission.
Desire are related to the flaws and the needs of the character.
Let's say that you begin your story with an old man protagonist, alone in his house. He will do everything to keep away children's out of his home.
The desire: To keep Children's out
The flaws : The old man is crunky, and has a very associable behavior
The need : The character needs to understand that being alone will only get him so far..
At the beginning a little child, let's say a far relative having no one else.. will be given to his care...
And with that, you have the beginning of a story. (I simplified things here, it's a bit more technical in reality)
--
This is a simple exemple to make you understand that the primary desire is but a consequence of the flaws/personnality of the protagonist and in most stories.. because the protagonist is bound to evolve.. the desire is bound to evolve with them. (The old man will understand to take care of this boy and will be more welcoming of the neightboors) - It changes in something more personnal, more logical, more ethical. (sometimes the exact opposite of that, for example Anakin in Star Wars E3 primary desire is to help the Jedi council understand the truth behind chancelor Palpatine's skeam, and ends up following him at the ends, destroying the Jedi order)
In the case of Yamato, there is nothing really personnal in her wish to join Luffy, it's but a consequence of what she heard about him and her goal to be free. Like Yamato said it herself: "As Ace brother, I figured you would let me a place on your ship". > This is not a logical reasonning.
That is why I think something much more personnal is coming for Yamato, something that will truly make her udnerstand how she can achieve freedom. But for that: Yamato needs something: To understand who she really is and to accept her responsilities as a guide for Momo. (at least, that's what the story is hinting so far)
Primary desire: To sail the seas
Flaws : Yamato is not acting for herself or as herself
Need : Yamato needs to live for her, for her own life, she needs to understand what she truly want
For Carrot it's the same but in the opposite. Carrot never stated that she wanted to leave forever with Luffy like you all keep saying, she wanted at first just to go on a simple adventure.
Primary desire: To have fun
Flaws: Carrot don't understand the hardship of the seas and is constantly driven to defeats for her and others
Need: Carrot needs do understand who she truly is in front of hardship and that she deserves to be a pirate.
Only as a response to someone saying the anime is canon. In reality, it doesn't matter.
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I don't agree with these two.
Usopp's desire never changed. He wants to become a pround warrior of the sea, yes. But he still wants to be a pirate since the beggining.
Brook never wanted to stay. He always wanted to find Laboon. It just that he couldn't do it because his shadow was stolen. But his desires never changed.
Usopp's desire never changed. He wants to become a pround warrior of the sea, yes. But he still wants to be a pirate since the beggining.
Brook never wanted to stay. He always wanted to find Laboon. It just that he couldn't do it because his shadow was stolen. But his desires never changed.
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