Future Events King vs Sanji?
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Keep in mind I'm not talking about every single time the Strawhats have ever had a fight.
I'm talking about the only four times in the series that they've fought someone where Oda has given a clear indication of how the opponents rank. The naming scheme here and with BW, the percentages on Skypiea, Doriki.
With Absalom- nothing says he's Moria's right hand. Moria, Hogback, Absalom and Perona were all part of the Mysterious Four, and Absalom had nothing putting him above Perona and Hogback. Plus he was weaker than two of his Zombies at least- with the hype Captain John has, he may well have proven stronger as well, if Oars hadn't dealt with him first.
Same with Kuroobi. Where's the indication he's the right hand man? Him, Hachi and Chew were all just said to be Arlong's executives. No one was put above the other. It's only twenty years later and outwith the manga with Vivre Cards we've learned that Kuroobi's bounty was a million higher than Hachi's, and two from Chew. Which sure, could suggest that he's a bit stronger- the bounties don't exactly have huge gaps between the three- but this was also the arc where Zoro was pointed out throughout to be half dead.
So what I'm saying doesn't belittle Sanji. It's just fact. Throughout the series, Zoro's opponents are stronger with the maybe exception of Kuroobi in the arc where Zoro was on the verge of death. But that's just the exception that proves the rule. Zoro once got to be the one to beat the arc boss with Morgan, but every other time Luffy's opponents have been stronger than his. I'm certainly not going to try and use that one time with Morgan as proof that Zoro fights stronger enemies so he gets Kaido.
I also think Orochi is not as useless as he seems, and that his DF has at least some use.
Fight for Zoro though? Nah. That died when we saw him shitting himself and needing saving from Denjiro. Got reinforced in the flashback where he was shitting himself because Oden was charging him.
As for the entire sky bound nature of King, well, that's just something Oda needs to work out. I doubt Mihawk or Rayleigh or Oden would be put off by a flying enemy. Zoro can't be any different
I'm talking about the only four times in the series that they've fought someone where Oda has given a clear indication of how the opponents rank. The naming scheme here and with BW, the percentages on Skypiea, Doriki.
With Absalom- nothing says he's Moria's right hand. Moria, Hogback, Absalom and Perona were all part of the Mysterious Four, and Absalom had nothing putting him above Perona and Hogback. Plus he was weaker than two of his Zombies at least- with the hype Captain John has, he may well have proven stronger as well, if Oars hadn't dealt with him first.
Same with Kuroobi. Where's the indication he's the right hand man? Him, Hachi and Chew were all just said to be Arlong's executives. No one was put above the other. It's only twenty years later and outwith the manga with Vivre Cards we've learned that Kuroobi's bounty was a million higher than Hachi's, and two from Chew. Which sure, could suggest that he's a bit stronger- the bounties don't exactly have huge gaps between the three- but this was also the arc where Zoro was pointed out throughout to be half dead.
So what I'm saying doesn't belittle Sanji. It's just fact. Throughout the series, Zoro's opponents are stronger with the maybe exception of Kuroobi in the arc where Zoro was on the verge of death. But that's just the exception that proves the rule. Zoro once got to be the one to beat the arc boss with Morgan, but every other time Luffy's opponents have been stronger than his. I'm certainly not going to try and use that one time with Morgan as proof that Zoro fights stronger enemies so he gets Kaido.
I also think Orochi is not as useless as he seems, and that his DF has at least some use.
Fight for Zoro though? Nah. That died when we saw him shitting himself and needing saving from Denjiro. Got reinforced in the flashback where he was shitting himself because Oden was charging him.
As for the entire sky bound nature of King, well, that's just something Oda needs to work out. I doubt Mihawk or Rayleigh or Oden would be put off by a flying enemy. Zoro can't be any different
It's not that Zoro can't fight and defeat King, of course he can in a manga where enemies nerf themselves or act like fools in battle.
King is just the perfect opponent for Sanji.
How can you create two character not only able to fly as Kaku, Lucci or even pre RS Sanji were but who have as their predominant feature the ability to fly and then make them fight on land?
King has most likely two pair of wings (!)
Sanji can use geppou and has floating devices under his feet.
It's just destiny
In the worst case scenario Sanji and Zoro will both fight King or they will help each other during their respective fight with King and Queen
King is just the perfect opponent for Sanji.
How can you create two character not only able to fly as Kaku, Lucci or even pre RS Sanji were but who have as their predominant feature the ability to fly and then make them fight on land?
King has most likely two pair of wings (!)
Sanji can use geppou and has floating devices under his feet.
It's just destiny
In the worst case scenario Sanji and Zoro will both fight King or they will help each other during their respective fight with King and Queen
It's not that Zoro can't fight and defeat King, of course he can in a manga where enemies nerf themselves or act like fools in battle.
King is just the perfect opponent for Sanji.
How can you create two character not only able to fly as Kaku, Lucci or even pre RS Sanji were but who have as their predominant feature the ability to fly and then make them fight on land?
King has most likely two pair of wings (!)
Sanji can use geppou and has floating devices under his foots.
It's just destiny
In the worst case scenario Sanji and Zoro will both fight King or they will help each other during their respective fight with King and Queen
King is just the perfect opponent for Sanji.
How can you create two character not only able to fly as Kaku, Lucci or even pre RS Sanji were but who have as their predominant feature the ability to fly and then make them fight on land?
King has most likely two pair of wings (!)
Sanji can use geppou and has floating devices under his foots.
It's just destiny
In the worst case scenario Sanji and Zoro will both fight King or they will help each other during their respective fight with King and Queen
The issue is the big fat sword on King's waist. How do you go past that?
Do you expect him to discard his weapon and go into a leg fight with Sanji?
Christ alive, we're using Wanze and T-Bone now?
Yeah, and Franky fought Nero, who has stronger than both them. And Zoro one shot T-Bone whereas Sanji struggled a bit with Wanze.
Bit of perspective here. We're talking about the fights that's actually matter, not encounters with the fodder of the world
That was merely his dream, which he sadly never fulfilled because the Blackbeard's killed him.
It no more made him stronger than Ryuma as it did make him stronger than Oars.
Yeah, and Franky fought Nero, who has stronger than both them. And Zoro one shot T-Bone whereas Sanji struggled a bit with Wanze.
Bit of perspective here. We're talking about the fights that's actually matter, not encounters with the fodder of the world
That was merely his dream, which he sadly never fulfilled because the Blackbeard's killed him.
It no more made him stronger than Ryuma as it did make him stronger than Oars.
Ooh so now I show an example your starting to get all defensive. All Zoro has is Kaku and Mr 1 above Sanji...nothing else. Ever.
Fine but he was still the commander of the general zombies which Ryuma is
Thus making him above Ryuma in superiority. And here we have him ordering them.
Take away Wanze if you want. Sanji still fought the superior opponent in Arlong Park and Thriller Bark.
Fine but he was still the commander of the general zombies which Ryuma is
Thus making him above Ryuma in superiority. And here we have him ordering them.
Take away Wanze if you want. Sanji still fought the superior opponent in Arlong Park and Thriller Bark.
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