Iirc Base Naruto punch and cancel a moon splitter. And Luffy doesn't have an AP like that the best he could do right now is bust an island and that's probably an stretch too.
Naruto before the nerf. is so versatile and can simply drown Luffy with his clones while the real Naruto plays poker with kurama.
That fucker spammed his jutsu´s left and right in the war without resting.Hashi and EMS Madara alone has the amoung of Chakra as Kurama.And EoS Nardo shits on that lol
Might be my last response since you people are clearly not that smart.
Did you even bother to read my post? Did of you bother to read my posts?
When I wrote “running out of chakra” was it regarding “spamming jutsus”?
And then you people wonder why I start getting irritated? You people don’t read! You people don’t understand logic! You people lack basic comprehension skills!
You literally do nothing but repeat the same thing over and over while REFUSING to address anything I wrote, then I get dumb comments like this…
I mean, why are you even posting here. It's forum. Place for discussion. You start by claiming your opinion as a fact, insult people who have different opinion and say you don't want response anyway. Maybe try to put some video on that topic on YT and disable comments.
… trying to pretend that I am some big bad, because I don’t want to converse with people who cannot be conversed with.
You have no arguments. That is why you people refuse to address my points. Anyone with any actual sense of logic would know that I am right. I don’t expect braindead sheeple to get it.
Addressing what the first person said, I was referring to REGENERATION… you know? The only thing that could possibly protect him from Luffy’s internal damage attacks??? Which have a proven effectiveness as Kakashi states in the manga that there is no way to strengthen one’s insides (this rule obviously applies to Narutoverse). Furthermore, that wasn’t even my ONLY argument against regen.
Lol, I doubt any of you would bother to read this far into the post, seeing as how you people skipped over every argument that I have presented thus far.
Addressing the second quote now: you say that I write insults, but what did I write that was wrong??? Furthermore, every single “insult” was followed with an explanation.
You say that this is a place for discussion. The topic was a YOUTUBE VIDEO, which NONE of you bothered watching. So why the hell are you here? Why are any of you here?
“It’s a forum. It’s a place for discussion.”
- Someone who didn’t even bother to watch the video that was supposed to be being discussed.
Lol, you guys literally have added nothing new to the argument. I’ve addressed and debunked all of your points and you people keep returning to the default programmed belief system, no matter what you read or the logic you hear. You cannot address the points being made, so your brain dies and you start chanting.
Tell me, would you want to keep arguing with a rock? Or with a duck that only knows how to quack?
I don’t mind a discussion. I welcome one. But if there is no logic behind it or if I have addressed it multiple times, then “yes”, I am going to stop treating it like a “discussion”.
You know what? Why don’t you WATCH THE VIDEO and we can all start there? No? Then stop talking to me.
Edit: Lol. I just remembered that this was the same guy who thought that my argument was Luffy “punching hard”. Why do I bother to take you people seriously and give you people the benefit of the doubt?
NLF.Hes just immune in his own ballpark.By your logic not even Goku can hurt him with blunt damage
He can only reflect stuff in his own ballpark.Again,NLF.Also FS is useless.Not that its needed but 1000 Nardo clones gangbangs Rubberboy
Lol,he can destroy a Tree at best but not a Goudama which clashed with attacks far above Ruffys pay grade
Nope. Literally a key feature of Luffy’s ability is an immunity to blunt force. This is shown throughout the manga and even referenced in data books. You are applying limits to Luffy to try to make an argument lol. You do realize that this is like saying that Thor shooting lightning at Luffy damages him anyway, despite his intrinsic resistance to it. His ability to be immune to blunt damage and immunity to electricity are the result of his fruit. Your argument is like saying that Goku’s punch can hit and hurt Kizaru, even though he physically cannot be touched by a non-Haki user. DFs come with certain hax abilities, Luffy’s happens to be an immunity to blunt force and electricity, which is demonstrated multiple times. Lol unless you think that Thriller Bark Luffy who, while fatigued and near death (as we saw with Zoro), took an island splitting punch casually because he just could tank island level attacks at the time? (Lol it would be hilarious if you go with this since it would pretty much make Luffy so much stronger than Naruto, that they wouldn’t be worth comparing). He shrugged it off with no damage, while already near death, because he is rubber.
Lol you literally write like this and expect me to take you seriously? No other moron on this site better write stupid crap like “this is a discussion”. First of all, Luffy’s ability is a hax one. It isn’t reliant on AP and DC. When Luffy turns the ground into rubber it grants the energized attack rubber properties, bouncing it right back at the sender. Basically, to make this simple: he transforms energy into rubber. This is hax based and is a property of his fruit. So far, all of your arguments are just headcanon. Not a good look. Also, lol at FS being “useless”. Each clone would be one shotted. They cannot tank too much damage (a strike that would kill Naruto would kill them). This is assuming that Conqueror’s Haki doesn’t dispel them immediately.
Lol you STILL refuse to address the fact that Luffy’s attacks would kill Naruto. Also, lol at him “destroying a tree at best”. You do realize that the TSBs can be dodged, right? Especially with a special thing Luffy has: Future Sight. Remember, the thing you called “useless”?
So this is how you people argue. You have to lie and place false limitations on his abilities. You have to completely ignore a bunch of my other arguments. You have to make up headcanon. And you have to downplay his feats. Then you all have the audacity to get upset when I laugh at this nonsense.
Yet another post addressed nothing and made no real arguments. Just another “Luffy gets bombed”, moron. Lol if I were to bring up things like durability and heat resistance, it would destroy your argument even more, but I don’t even need to do that. You mentioned clones as though Luffy cannot pick the real one out via Obs. Haki. 1000 Naruto’s do what? Taijutsu? They die. Rasengans. He dodges with future sight. Lol Luffy can literally fly and run in the air. Or he can beat them all with his internal damage based attacks. Or he can just attack the real Naruto. Rasenshuriken, dodged or reflected. TSB can only be used by the real one. He cannot clone them. A single shot to the skull and it is over for Naruto.
The Narutard argument: Big explosions. DC! Nardo wins!
My argument: Hax. Internal Damage (which Kakashi confirms would pretty much kill a Naruto character). Energy reflection. Far faster speed than Naruto. Future sight on par with or better than Katakuri’s (could see an entire conversation and its aftermath). Luffy pretty much counters all of Naruto’s abilities, therefore he wins.
Lol Narutards again: Big explosions!!! Nardo wins!
My argument: Luffy has tanked cutting attacks that have shown to cut through powerful individuals and honestly should have cut him in half. He is a complete damage soak now when it comes to even Haki coated attacks. He can tank heat energy attacks that has properties hotter than lava (which Naruto was afraid of in Kaguya’s lava dimension), as it completely vaporizes what it contacts (Luffy tanked these type of attacks multiple times).
Here is the thing, everything I wrote is factual and has proof to back it up. I could go further and bring out the implied feats and things that would bring Luffy’s AP far higher, such as the nature of the Energy Steroids, Gear multipliers, Chinjao’s continental statement, etc. I won’t even do all of that, because I don’t need to. Unlike you people, I don’t have to exaggerate or try to pull out things just to win an argument. I simply write it how I see it.
Luffy wins.
If Naruto starts the fight as he usually does, rushing in and trying taijutsu or a Rasengan, he dies immediately.
If he uses Baryon Mode, he dies pretty quickly. Eapecially with its short time limit.
If Naruto keeps a medium distance, he loses after a few minutes.
Naruto’s best bet would be to keep a far distance, but not only can Luffy close the distance easily, Naruto has no effective long range attacks that wouldn’t be reflected back at him or dodged.
If the fight somehow dragged out, Luffy has the upper hand in stamina and endurance as he is far more powerful than his subordinate who fought for five days against an opponent of equal power.
Luffy wins easily.
Also, you clearly STILL have not watched the video lol.
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I am only responding to original arguments from now on. The same DC argument that you guys seem obsessed with using got old fast.
Nope. Literally a key feature of Luffy’s ability is an immunity to blunt force. This is shown throughout the manga and even referenced in data books. You are applying limits to Luffy to try to make an argument lol. You do realize that this is like saying that Thor shooting lightning at Luffy damages him anyway, despite his intrinsic resistance to it. His ability to be immune to blunt damage and immunity to electricity are the result of his fruit. Your argument is like saying that Goku’s punch can hit and hurt Kizaru, even though he physically cannot be touched by a non-Haki user. DFs come with certain hax abilities, Luffy’s happens to be an immunity to blunt force and electricity, which is demonstrated multiple times. Lol unless you think that Thriller Bark Luffy who, while fatigued and near death (as we saw with Zoro), took an island splitting punch casually because he just could tank island level attacks at the time? (Lol it would be hilarious if you go with this since it would pretty much make Luffy so much stronger than Naruto, that they wouldn’t be worth comparing). He shrugged it off with no damage, while already near death, because he is rubber.
Lol you literally write like this and expect me to take you seriously? No other moron on this site better write stupid crap like “this is a discussion”. First of all, Luffy’s ability is a hax one. It isn’t reliant on AP and DC. When Luffy turns the ground into rubber it grants the energized attack rubber properties, bouncing it right back at the sender. Basically, to make this simple: he transforms energy into rubber. This is hax based and is a property of his fruit. So far, all of your arguments are just headcanon. Not a good look. Also, lol at FS being “useless”. Each clone would be one shotted. They cannot tank too much damage (a strike that would kill Naruto would kill them). This is assuming that Conqueror’s Haki doesn’t dispel them immediately.
Lol you STILL refuse to address the fact that Luffy’s attacks would kill Naruto. Also, lol at him “destroying a tree at best”. You do realize that the TSBs can be dodged, right? Especially with a special thing Luffy has: Future Sight. Remember, the thing you called “useless”?
So this is how you people argue. You have to lie and place false limitations on his abilities. You have to completely ignore a bunch of my other arguments. You have to make up headcanon. And you have to downplay his feats. Then you all have the audacity to get upset when I laugh at this nonsense.
Yet another post addressed nothing and made no real arguments. Just another “Luffy gets bombed”, moron. Lol if I were to bring up things like durability and heat resistance, it would destroy your argument even more, but I don’t even need to do that. You mentioned clones as though Luffy cannot pick the real one out via Obs. Haki. 1000 Naruto’s do what? Taijutsu? They die. Rasengans. He dodges with future sight. Lol Luffy can literally fly and run in the air. Or he can beat them all with his internal damage based attacks. Or he can just attack the real Naruto. Rasenshuriken, dodged or reflected. TSB can only be used by the real one. He cannot clone them. A single shot to the skull and it is over for Naruto.
The Narutard argument: Big explosions. DC! Nardo wins!
My argument: Hax. Internal Damage (which Kakashi confirms would pretty much kill a Naruto character). Energy reflection. Far faster speed than Naruto. Future sight on par with or better than Katakuri’s (could see an entire conversation and its aftermath). Luffy pretty much counters all of Naruto’s abilities, therefore he wins.
Lol Narutards again: Big explosions!!! Nardo wins!
My argument: Luffy has tanked cutting attacks that have shown to cut through powerful individuals and honestly should have cut him in half. He is a complete damage soak now when it comes to even Haki coated attacks. He can tank heat energy attacks that has properties hotter than lava (which Naruto was afraid of in Kaguya’s lava dimension), as it completely vaporizes what it contacts (Luffy tanked these type of attacks multiple times).
Here is the thing, everything I wrote is factual and has proof to back it up. I could go further and bring out the implied feats and things that would bring Luffy’s AP far higher, such as the nature of the Energy Steroids, Gear multipliers, Chinjao’s continental statement, etc. I won’t even do all of that, because I don’t need to. Unlike you people, I don’t have to exaggerate or try to pull out things just to win an argument. I simply write it how I see it.
Luffy wins.
If Naruto starts the fight as he usually does, rushing in and trying taijutsu or a Rasengan, he dies immediately.
If he uses Baryon Mode, he dies pretty quickly. Eapecially with its short time limit.
If Naruto keeps a medium distance, he loses after a few minutes.
Naruto’s best bet would be to keep a far distance, but not only can Luffy close the distance easily, Naruto has no effective long range attacks that wouldn’t be reflected back at him or dodged.
If the fight somehow dragged out, Luffy has the upper hand in stamina and endurance as he is far more powerful than his subordinate who fought for five days against an opponent of equal power.
Luffy wins easily.
Also, you clearly STILL have not watched the video lol.
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I am only responding to original arguments from now on. The same DC argument that you guys seem obsessed with using got old fast.
Lol actually you just helped my earlier argument. Ignorant Narutards are a disease. You won’t watch the video and you won’t bother reading. But you will run your mouth, you will type away at the keyboard, you always have something to say. But you never learn.
Arguing with Narutards is like arguing with ducks. They don’t understand what you are saying and are just loud and in groups. A congregation of morons devoid of any logic, reasoning, and knowledge. Literally don’t even know what you are talking about. You just see big flashy explosions and believe that indicates power. Luffy destroys Naruto and no one has even come close to proving me wrong, let alone the video.
Like @Sentinel said,nobody is watching a 1 hour long video.I pressed randomly in the middle of the Video and that fucker said "Lets debunk Solar-System Level Nardo".The Video is clearly pointless,nobody believes even Nardo is SS Level
ONCE AGAIN since the OP is unable to do it,make a short list of points what the guy in the video brings up
Ok,Gokus punches who shook the Universe cant deal damage to him.Back to Spacbattles with you
Like @Sentinel said,nobody is watching a 1 hour long video.I pressed randomly in the middle of the Video and that fucker said "Lets debunk Solar-System Level Nardo".The Video is clearly pointless,nobody believes even Nardo is SS Level
ONCE AGAIN since the OP is unable to do it,make a short list of points what the guy in the video brings up
What part of “immune to blunt force” don’t you get? The punch isn’t doing jack, the damage done to the environment around him might affect him (such as if Goku destroyed the planet with a punch). That is like writing “Goku’s punches which shook the Universe cannot damage Kizaru”. No, because that is the nature of the fruit. You cannot change it up to match your headcanon.
Lol shows what you know. I, MYSELF, HAVE ARGUED WITH MANY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM NARUTO IS SOLAR SYSTEM LEVEL. You clearly didn’t look at the comments of that video or other videos like it if you really believe that no one thinks that. You people have your head in a box. Just because you are a Narutard that isn’t crazy enough to believe that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
I am not going to do that. This is a discussion OF THAT VIDEO. If you were in high school (or even a college class) and you have to discuss a book or video, do you think they would just “sum it up” so that you can participate? They would laugh in your face and tell you to read the damn book or watch the damn video. If you haven’t seen the video, you have nothing to add. If you have nothing to add, then stop bothering the people who bothered to watch it and want to discuss it.
What part of “immune to blunt force” don’t you get? The punch isn’t doing jack, the damage done to the environment around him might affect him (such as if Goku destroyed the planet with a punch). That is like writing “Goku’s punches which shook the Universe cannot damage Kizaru”. No, because that is the nature of the fruit. You cannot change it up to match your headcanon.
Lol shows what you know. I, MYSELF, HAVE ARGUED WITH MANY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM NARUTO IS SOLAR SYSTEM LEVEL. You clearly didn’t look at the comments of that video or other videos like it if you really believe that no one thinks that. You people have your head in a box. Just because you are a Narutard that isn’t crazy enough to believe that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
I am not going to do that. This is a discussion OF THAT VIDEO. If you were in high school (or even a college class) and you have to discuss a book or video, do you think they would just “sum it up” so that you can participate? They would laugh in your face and tell you to read the damn book or watch the damn video. If you haven’t seen the video, you have nothing to add. If you have nothing to add, then stop bothering the people who bothered to watch it and want to discuss it.
Nobody who has even a bit of knowledge about this hobby claims such shit.Nardo Verse has no SS-Level feat.End of story
You can claim that shit as long as you want,nobody is wasting 1 hour when you know Nardo oneshots Luffy.Nardo is in the zettaton range,Luffy aint.
1. So you accept the properties of ONE DF ABILITY, but NOT ANOTHER ONE that is also EXPLICITLY STATED throughout the manga. Lol biased Narutard. And if you seriously believe that Naruto has the physicals to harm Luffy, let alone punch his head off, then there is no point in talking to you. Only a deluded fanboy thinks that and it isn’t too far off from the “solar system” Narutards.
2. Agreed. They aren’t even star level.
3. Part 1: So you completely ignored the video that proves you wrong and have the nerve to respond to a thread about said video.
Part 2: You refuse to address ANY of the points that I have made thus far.
Part 3: What you are trying to argue is that Luffy cannot harm Naruto??? Or is it that Naruto can harm Luffy??? Regardless, you are wrong about both.
Part 4: Lol, you (like every other Narutard) is obsessed with DC, even if the destructive feat is offset by an ability that counters it. There are way more factors in a fight than DC. Luffy takes it in so many categories, including hax and speed, both of which Naruto has no answer for.
Part 5: Are you trying to argue actual in manga feats or scaling? Because Zettaton is only really used when it comes to scaling. If you go the scaling route, you do realize that Luffy would actually be as high as Naruto, right? I could bring up energy steroids, the fact that Fuji’s meteor was calced at country level and Doffy’s casual strings of Birdcage were stronger than them. I could bring up that Luffy’s recent punch has actually been calced at Multi Continent level, but was removed because they didn’t want One Piece characters at that level. I could bring up that Luffy can become the size of a city and could possibly grow BIGGER than that. I can bring up Chinjao splitting a continent, or WB being said to be capable of destroying the world (the Yonko are equal to him and scale accordingly). Luffy is on their level. I could bring up that Luffy in the beginning of the timeskip was capable of destroying a ship half the size of an island that was so durable that it destroyed a sea mountain without a scratch. I could bring up so many things that are not taken into account regarding One Piece, including that AoE attacks are purposely avoided and focused and direct attacks that do not cause unnecessary damage is the verse’s primary way of fighting, unlike Naruto verse which spams nukes EoS.
Part 6: If you are arguing actual in manga feats, then Luffy stomps easily. You cannot win that argument. I suggest you don’t even try.
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Lol it is WAY worse than I thought. If we use scaling, Luffy actually destroys Naruto. The energy steroid actually is pretty damning evidence lol. OP is an AP focused verse. You are not going to get flashy explosions, but they do have crazy AP.
Btw, I wasn’t arguing scaling initially, but if you want to go there, we can. I prefer to argue in-manga feats and abilities.
Based on my thorough and subsequential analysis i must conclude Luffy has the ability to defeat Uzumaki through blunt force immunity which is the foremost main factor including superior AP and ability to blitz the opponent.
While i admit Naruto is a fearsome fighter he doesn’t possess the finesse Luffy does as his specialty is brute force rather than martial art skill and hax.
Based on my thorough and subsequential analysis i must conclude Luffy has the ability to defeat Uzumaki through blunt force immunity which is the foremost main factor including superior AP and ability to blitz the opponent.
While i admit Naruto is a fearsome fighter he doesn’t possess the finesse Luffy does as his specialty is brute force rather than martial art skill and hax.
”Fearsome fighter”? Mr. Talk no Jutsu and turn enemies into frenemies is “fearsome”??? Lol, that is how we know you are a troll.
Edit: Lol, did you imply that Naruto is faster than Luffy? Lmao. Luffy is far faster. Unlike Naruto, Luffy has actually dodged light easily in the beginning of the timeskip (to the point where he calls it “slow”) and has gotten way faster since then and even has his Gear speed multipliers on top of that. Naruto is MAYBE lightspeed and a little faster than light at BEST.
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Since I am surrounded by so many people devoid of intellect, I am ending this back and forth with this: nobody could successfully argue that Luffy’s Ryuo punch wouldn’t kill Naruto. Nobody could successfully argue against Luffy being faster than Naruto. Nobody could debunk or even address a majority of points I’ve made. If this fight was ACTUALLY one sided in Naruto’s favor, you would think it would be easy to prove???
Too bad that so many people are stupid. The majority mostly consists of sheep and this back and forth proved it. In fact, you people don’t even bother to read any arguments. You have your eyes closed and your ears covered as you type.
Since this forum consists of morons who refuse to watch the topic video and refuse to even read my points and refuse to address them, I will no longer waste my time here. Anyone that actually has a brain and thinks for themself will know who is right based on the comments in this thread.
All of the Naruto defenders write the EXACT SAME THING, while addressing NOTHING. Any stupid response to me now will just be responded to with mockery.
It opened up the discussion again by providing a conclusive argument as for why Luffy wins that I hadn't considered before.
Wanted to see what people thought about it.
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You should read the comments. No one can come up with a response. One guy had to change the whole matchup and equalize everything just so Naruto could win. lol.
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Madara's meteors were suicide attacks. Fujitora is a Marine who has to hold back to protect civilians. Context.
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Simplifying it wouldn't do it justice. It would take an essay to summarize. Which people wouldn't read anyway because they're lazy.
They're totally in their rights to do so, but if they're not gonna watch it then they don't need to respond to the thread.
My goal was to see what people thought of the arguments. If they're not willing to even look at them then why bother?
It's there for people who are actually interested in the topic.
You were not kidding about people not bothering to read because they are lazy. I should have expected as much, seeing how no one (out of every Naruto supporter in this forum, which was like 95% of the people who commented) was willing to watch the video… not even ONE.
This once again shows me how dumb people can be. I wouldn’t be irritated at all if they didn’t comment in a thread specifically made for the discussion of said video or if they argued in good faith and actually addressed points.
At least there are people who DID watch the video and realize that Luffy beats Naruto without a doubt. Too bad a large majority of casuals and Narutards will constantly be in denial.
Yes luffy will not get hurt by it because that the power a magical fruit gave him why is it so hard to believe that a immunity of a blunt attacks that was given to luffy by magic is hard to believe, he was this one crazy ability that makes him immunity to one type of attack, yes it's bad for characters who only use blunt attacks (Saitama, all might) but for every other use different types attacks they can still be effective against him and if you're only argument is makes no sense luffys immunity to lighting doesn't make sense because rubber has its limits with lighting most of time rubber melts because lighting emits exteme heat but luffy doesn't gets effected by any of the real life logic of electricity but there is no arguing about his immunity to lighting, saying goku can hurt luffy with a punch because his strong enough is like luffy would be effected by lighting bolt as wide as the sun but luffy wouldn't be effected by either of these because that's the power he was given by his DF.
Lol, the morons here don’t know the difference between DC and AP. They also don’t know what terms like Hax mean. They don’t understand in manga feats vs. scaling. The also don’t understand things like controlled attacks. But these braindead losers think that they can laugh off a guy who actually backs up his statements with in manga evidence.
But the dummies on this thread obsess over “flashy big balls”! I bet that you morons don’t even understand how those attacks work. You literally only focus on AoE and explosions lol.
Lol, the morons here don’t know the difference between DC and AP. They also don’t know what terms like Hax mean. They don’t understand in manga feats vs. scaling. The also don’t understand things like controlled attacks. But these braindead losers think that they can laugh off a guy who actually backs up his statements with in manga evidence.
But the dummies on this thread obsess over “flashy big balls”! I bet that you morons don’t even understand how those attacks work. You literally only focus on AoE and explosions lol.
It doesn't matter small planey level DC or AP both are trolling not even wanking. There isn't even a single continental feat in OP. They are shown consistently to be island to country level in power and impressed by it. Lmao at small planetary level anything in One Piece. Reach large country first.
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Least retarded OP fanboy: Whitebeard is small planetary
Only because there has yet to be a solid god tier to appear in One Piece. Planetary potential is there if Luffy happens to destroy the entire Red Line but from now on, Naruto god tiers destroy OP verse. Meanwhile, OP top tiers are stronger than Naruto top tiers.
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