General & Others The myth of One Piece being a "masterpiece"/"peak fiction"

[centurion]

 

[sanjikun]

I think some people confuse precision with quality. I love HxH but it just doesn't have the heart that OP has. You're not as emotionally invested in that story and those characters.

Yes HxH ties up loose ends very well, and is impeccable in terms of organization, but that doesn't necessarily make it better. Lack of flaws is not the only criteria.

 

[Finalbeta]

Oda destroyed his own series since several years, sad truth

 

[nik87]

Luffy fans do hate some of the oda choices. Otherwise you won't find 'salty' Luffy fans.

Is equal bounty with Law and Kidd one of those things?

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

Fucking Joyboy laughing maniac transformation killed any tollerance i had for Luffy , it's the most anticlimax, anti-tension, anti-emotion thing you could possibly have.
Kaido : Finally it's time for our final legendary battle
Condom : AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Kaido : ...
Condom : AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH LOOK MY HAIR IS ON FIRE
Kaido : ....
Condom : LOOK I JUST CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD WITH ALL MY HP AND HAKI BACK
Kaido : wtf kid?
Condom : ODA SAID I WIN NOW , BYE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Cregan]

Is equal bounty with Law and Kidd one of those things?

Bounty's are perfectly logical, just people can't read simple story point, they need it to be spoon feed.

 

[BleakAsh]

One piece is a resplendent story.. it may not be the apex but it is configured and formulated in a way that would have you infer that it was written by an ingenious storyteller.. a "Master's piece" in essence, that in of itself is undeniable, if you have a dreg worth of comprehension skill you get it.


these twats read it weekly fu*k their momentum up and then blame oda for the mess and their lack of enjoyment.. hell many still do enjoy it even in that manner.Yes flaws exist in abundant but the generalization and over-accentuation is just beyond fair to the story.

 

[Kerkovian]

Fucking Joyboy laughing maniac transformation killed any tollerance i had for Luffy , it's the most anticlimax, anti-tension, anti-emotion thing you could possibly have.
Kaido : Finally it's time for our final legendary battle
Condom : AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Kaido : ...
Condom : AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH LOOK MY HAIR IS ON FIRE
Kaido : ....
Condom : LOOK I JUST CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD WITH ALL MY HP AND HAKI BACK
Kaido : wtf kid?
Condom : ODA SAID I WIN NOW , BYE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Shaddup zkkcuck. You are a loser who hopes piece of shit stuffs like zkk and now speak about Op being trash? Lmao. Take the L.

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So in short: Where does this nonsense even come from?

On Twitter, reddit & Co. it seems like you are a heretic, if you even dare suggest that OP is not the epitome of manga history.

One Piece is a very fun read and certainly has its strengths (mainly worldbuilding), but it is nowhere near a "masterpiece" or "peak fiction" in terms of storywriting. Not even compared to other shonen.

I could come up with countless story inconsistencies and very iffy plot-points (especially those in Wano that are still fresh), but lets just take a look at the general buildup of the story today.

We have 1053 chapters now, consisting of many arcs. From a "masterpiece" you would expect most arcs to have a differing structure, creative twists and generally a lot of variety in storytelling itself.

If you look at One Piece however, outside of that Amazon Lily - Marineford stretch, each arc is basically a copy-paste version of the other arcs. Only thing that differs is that Oda slaps a different overlaying theme on it (loyalty, racism, leadership etc.). Otherwise it goes like this every single time:

1) Reaching a new island
2) Splitting up and having a short adventure
3) Meeting the locals (most of the time a young female emerges as lead side-character for the arc)
4) Learn about the problems on that island and the enemies
5) Have a first encounter with the enemies that doesn't go well
6) Flashback of this arcs lead side-character (emphasizing the tragedy on that island)
7) SHs regroup
8) Final round against the antagonists
9) Island-wide threat is introduced (nuke in Alabasta, Advent of Thunder in Skypiea, Buster Call in EL, Birdcage in DR, Fire/Bombs in Onigashima etc.)
10) SHs win and banish the island-wide threat
11) Banquet and leaving for the next island
12) Rinse and repeat

Now like I said: One Piece is still a fun read (I wouldn't be here otherwise), but that insanely repetitive structure for over 1053 chapters (!) is more than enough to disqualify One Piece from the "masterpiece" label when it comes to storywriting.

It's really just your basic, generic shonen.

That's why I really can't comprehend how fans seemingly really believe it is such a genius work. Yes, it is good for a shonen (well, especially pre-skip) and enjoyable, but man oh man, have those "peak fiction" yellers even read one story outside of One Piece or ever learned the basics about literature to come to such wild conclusions?

Thats your opinion and I can find similar 100s of negative points to whatever manga you feel is better. If One Piece ain't a masterpiece, nothing else is too. People can yap all they want but none of their opinion matters. People will like what they want and dislike what they want but just because they don't like certain aspect, the manga doesn't become bad.

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

Shaddup zkkcuck. You are a loser who hopes piece of shit stuffs like zkk and now speak about Op being trash? Lmao. Take the L.

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Thats your opinion and I can find similar 100s of negative points to whatever manga you feel is better. If One Piece ain't a masterpiece, nothing else is too. People can yap all they want but none of their opinion matters. People will like what they want and dislike what they want but just because they don't like certain aspect, the manga doesn't become bad.

Lerkovian stfu

 

[dirtyLarry]

Basically that's it - spot on.

Like I outlined in my original post, this has essentially been the blueprint for each and every arc for 1053+ chapters.

It's mind-boggling how some people still come up and try to talk it up like OP has been the best thing (story-wise) since sliced bread.

No, for fucks sake. It's arguably one of the most basic and repetitive shonen there is, if you actually think about it for more than two seconds.

Again: No problem at all if you say that you don't care about that repetitiveness or predictability. It's your personal favorite manga? Totally fine. Just never come up trying to lecture others what kind of "genius work" OP is, because any halfway educated person will raise their eyebrows and then laugh at you.

 

[Gear5PhoenixMan]

HxH is totally overated BS, Arlong Park is better than hole HxH.

Says someone who thinks Yonko Buggy and No awakening yonko makes sense

stfu that's bullshit the emotion in arlong park was there but arlong himself was a wack ass villian.

 

[Jonny Will]

So in short: Where does this nonsense even come from?

On Twitter, reddit & Co. it seems like you are a heretic, if you even dare suggest that OP is not the epitome of manga history.

One Piece is a very fun read and certainly has its strengths (mainly worldbuilding), but it is nowhere near a "masterpiece" or "peak fiction" in terms of storywriting. Not even compared to other shonen.

I could come up with countless story inconsistencies and very iffy plot-points (especially those in Wano that are still fresh), but lets just take a look at the general buildup of the story today.

We have 1053 chapters now, consisting of many arcs. From a "masterpiece" you would expect most arcs to have a differing structure, creative twists and generally a lot of variety in storytelling itself.

If you look at One Piece however, outside of that Amazon Lily - Marineford stretch, each arc is basically a copy-paste version of the other arcs. Only thing that differs is that Oda slaps a different overlaying theme on it (loyalty, racism, leadership etc.). Otherwise it goes like this every single time:

1) Reaching a new island
2) Splitting up and having a short adventure
3) Meeting the locals (most of the time a young female emerges as lead side-character for the arc)
4) Learn about the problems on that island and the enemies
5) Have a first encounter with the enemies that doesn't go well
6) Flashback of this arcs lead side-character (emphasizing the tragedy on that island)
7) SHs regroup
8) Final round against the antagonists
9) Island-wide threat is introduced (nuke in Alabasta, Advent of Thunder in Skypiea, Buster Call in EL, Birdcage in DR, Fire/Bombs in Onigashima etc.)
10) SHs win and banish the island-wide threat
11) Banquet and leaving for the next island
12) Rinse and repeat

Now like I said: One Piece is still a fun read (I wouldn't be here otherwise), but that insanely repetitive structure for over 1053 chapters (!) is more than enough to disqualify One Piece from the "masterpiece" label when it comes to storywriting.

It's really just your basic, generic shonen.

That's why I really can't comprehend how fans seemingly really believe it is such a genius work. Yes, it is good for a shonen (well, especially pre-skip) and enjoyable, but man oh man, have those "peak fiction" yellers even read one story outside of One Piece or ever learned the basics about literature to come to such wild conclusions?

Those are all opinion based. If you do not feel that the story is a masterpiece, that is your opinion. If you want to know why people believe it to be so great, there are many YouTube videos and YouTubers who explain it, including those who read and review fiction for a living. You aren’t going to find a really good, in-depth answer on here… assuming of course that you are actually looking for one and aren’t just using this post to try to rag on the series.

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Basically that's it - spot on.

Like I outlined in my original post, this has essentially been the blueprint for each and every arc for 1053+ chapters.

It's mind-boggling how some people still come up and try to talk it up like OP has been the best thing (story-wise) since sliced bread.

No, for fucks sake. It's arguably one of the most basic and repetitive shonen there is, if you actually think about it for more than two seconds.

Again: No problem at all if you say that you don't care about that repetitiveness or predictability. It's your personal favorite manga? Totally fine. Just never come up trying to lecture others what kind of "genius work" OP is, because any halfway educated person will raise their eyebrows and then laugh at you.

Edit: Lol nevermind. I pretty much thought that this was the case😂😂😂

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Says someone who thinks Yonko Buggy and No awakening yonko makes sense

stfu that's bullshit the emotion in arlong park was there but arlong himself was a wack ass villian.

Definitely agree with the Yonkos not having awakenings making absolutely no sense.

 

[Cregan]

Says someone who thinks Yonko Buggy and No awakening yonko makes sense

stfu that's bullshit the emotion in arlong park was there but arlong himself was a wack ass villian.

Half of manga is explaination of nen. There is no characters in HxH. Gon, Killua, Kurapika are non characters, shallow and basic, Leorio is just annoying. Vilians are generic and boring. There is no theme in any arc. Why are you triggered?

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

One piece's world building and how it uses it's side characters is un-matched in manga

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bold of you to assume i discuss the series here. im just here to wank chadtain kidd, and yes iam glad you asked, my boy is nothing short of peak fiction

Out of all the reasons to read one piece


you choose Captain Midd

 

[Gear5PhoenixMan]

Half of manga is explaination of nen. There is no characters in HxH. Gon, Killua, Kurapika are non characters, shallow and basic, Leorio is just annoying. Vilians are generic and boring. There is no theme in any arc. Why are you triggered?

Leorio isn't a main character he's just friends with the main trio. Why are you even bringing Leorio up?

Luffy just wants to eat and find the one piece. That's not shallow and basic?

wtf are you talking about non characters? The strawhat pirates aren't even relevant to the story other than Luffy.

Brook and Usopp did nothing in Wano

Characters in One Piece are the same if not worse. We haven't seen Dragon, Shanks, or Mihawk do anything.

Strictly talking about the new world, none of the new world is better than Hunter x Hunter.

One Piece villains are boring. Kaido has done nothing interesting he's just a brute. What good are themes if the arc is trash?

Hunter x Hunter does have themes if you think otherwise you're a moron who failed English.

You're a clown get off of this website.

You're lucky there's no freedom of speech or I would of said something else.

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One piece's world building and how it uses it's side characters is un-matched in manga

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Out of all the reasons to read one piece


you choose Captain Emperor Eustass Kidd

There's no reason to read One Piece other than it being a shounen manga. The plot is lame. Buggy emperor, inconsistent plot caused by trolling of the mangaka, Terrible inconsistent powerscaling.

 

[Cregan]

Leorio isn't a main character he's just friends with the main trio. Why are you even bringing Leorio up?

Luffy just wants to eat and find the one piece. That's not shallow and basic?

wtf are you talking about non characters? The strawhat pirates aren't even relevant to the story other than Luffy.

Brook and Usopp did nothing in Wano

Characters in One Piece are the same if not worse. We haven't seen Dragon, Shanks, or Mihawk do anything.

Strictly talking about the new world, none of the new world is better than Hunter x Hunter.

One Piece villains are boring. Kaido has done nothing interesting he's just a brute. What good are themes if the arc is trash?

Hunter x Hunter does have themes if you think otherwise you're a moron who failed English.

You're a clown get off of this website.

You're lucky there's no freedom of speech or I would of said something else.

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There's no reason to read One Piece other than it being a shounen manga. The plot is lame. Buggy emperor, inconsistent plot caused by trolling of the mangaka, Terrible inconsistent powerscaling.

Dude go find some HxH forum and write that shit. If One Piece is so bad way you have 300+ massages on One Piece forum In 15 days.
You just proved to me that you are mentally underdeveloped and emotionally unstable.

 

[Gear5PhoenixMan]

Dude go find some HxH forum and write that shit. If One Piece is so bad way you have 300+ massages on One Piece forum In 15 days.
You just proved to me that you are mentally underdeveloped and emotionally unstable.

Shutup retard you rate every chapter 10 out of 10 go suck oda's dick and k . .

 

[Cregan]

Shutup retard you rate every chapter 10 out of 10 go suck oda's dick and k . .

Who hurt you little boy?

 

[fakename]

One piece is a resplendent story.. it may not be the apex but it is configured and formulated in a way that would have you infer that it was written by an ingenious storyteller.. a "Master's piece" in essence, that in of itself is undeniable, if you have a dreg worth of comprehension skill you get it.


these twats read it weekly fu*k their momentum up and then blame oda for the mess and their lack of enjoyment.. hell many still do enjoy it even in that manner.Yes flaws exist in abundant but the generalization and over-accentuation is just beyond fair to the story.

I dunno, but isnt the fact that a weekly manga isn't enjoyable when read weekly a sigh of something lacking? Wouldnt a true master be able to tell the story in such a way that each episode is enjoyable on its own?

 

[Cregan]

Shutup retard you rate every chapter 10 out of 10 go suck oda's dick and k . .

P.S. It's shut up, not shutup.