General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Carrota Guco]

You tried to single out Robin, Franky and Jinbe as Oda changing his writing style when he did no such thing. As stated before, all 3 were main characters, got backstories, was apart of the main conflict etc. Nami, Robin, Usopp and Sanji had 2 arcs and tried leaving the crew once. Brooke is the only who accepted an invite from the get go. Zoro, Sanji and Nami are the only 3 who initially refused. Etc. Etc. None of the SHs recruitment was exactly the same, but the writing followed the exact same formula.

A formula that Carrot doesn't have as she wasn't directly tied to the plot of WCI, the arc didn't revolve around her, she has no backstory, was completely separated from the main Wano battles which never happened to a SH recruit etc.



None of what I said is speculation. It is a fact that all SHs had an arc revolving around them, a backstory etc.. And Naito himself spoke about how much he loved Carrot and asked Oda to give her some spotlight. Once again, former editor Naito admitted it himself. As soon as he left, Carrot faded into the background which factually happened.



Many characters supported the war and caused butterly effects so why is Carrot special? That can apply to the whole series. Carrot at the start ran off to fight Perospero only to get off screened and do nothing else. She played an objectively minor role in the war.

I may have pointed out the details you said also apply to Carrot, however he still changed his style with these 3 characters. Carrot got a backstory, was apart of the main conflict, and had focus as much as anyone else in the Sanji retrieval team. I ask for your clarity. Why don't you consider carrot apart of the main conflict of whole cake island? She joined the team that bought Sanji home and her actions were a main driving point.

You will need to provide proof then if you think what you're saying isn't speculation. I see parallels all the time but I also present myself hypothetically until proven. I want you to find a statement from oda/editor about carrot going to solely cause the wonder land theme. I also want you to find what carrot related things Naito was responsible for. If you can't do that I'm afraid I'm going to need to back away from this if you're not going to speak speculatively. To help you focus, just prove these 2 statements.
- "Oda planned on Carrot going to WCI solely cause of the Alice in Wonderland theme"
- "all of the other stuff Carrot has done was because of Naito pushing Oda to give her some spotlight."

Thank you for acknowledging Carrot's contribution. With that said Carrot's butterfly is among the most far reaching.

 

[SILVERS000]

And she could actually have a role
Plus it would be cute if Nami adopted some orphan like Bellemere did

She already has a guardian in Tenguyama (aka Sukiyaki) and Speed is now her mother figure
Nami is more of a big sister to her (LIKE SHE SAID)

 

[Carrota Guco]

The huge difference is Robin has always been a Straw Hat ever since post Alabasta. Carrot, on the other hand, has never been a Straw Hat post WCI. Luffy doesn’t even give a shit about her during Wano. Compare Carrot to Nami (whom Luffy picked up at Cocoyashi and defeat Arlong) and Robin (whom Luffy also picked up at Enies Lobby and defeat Lucci).

Why do those happen? Because Luffy had already considered them as Straw Hat ever since they stepped on the ship.

and again:
1. Carrot doesn’t have terrible past. Even if you say: “she’ll get it later”, then give evidence how this is an exact speculation that she’ll get it later.
2. Carrot doesn’t act as co-protagonist in the arc she was supposed to join; in this case: Wano. If Carrot were about to join, it should be during Whole Cake; not Wano. Even if we want to use Jinbe’s case, well Luffy never invited Carrot nor Carrot invited herself into the crew
3. Carrot supposedly has main antagonist of the respective arc whom Luffy defeats. Carrot’s main antagonists are Jack & Perospero, the ones she had emotional attachment with. First of all they are not main antagonists of the respective arc. They are tertiary antagonists at best. Second of all, Jack & Perospero were defeated by non Straw Hat

Those 3 are main requirements and Carrot doesn’t even fulfill one of them.

I wouldn't say there are requirements but there seems to be a repeating formula. I will bring up Jinbei. He was not a strawhat after the next arc. Robin's main enemy in Enies Lobby was Spandam not Lucci. Luffy defeated Katakuri who was the first person to put carrot down in an emotional way. crew member recruitment does not appear to be sololy based on luffy initiating. Zoro initiated Ussop and Nami asked chopper.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Carrot got a backstory

A page

and had focus as much as anyone else in the Sanji retrieval team

She had exactly one shinning moment with Sulong.

 

[SILVERS000]

Blackbeard literally has a horse on his crew

THE HORSE:

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That's the whole reason Oden joined Roger's crew to begin with, speedreader

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Nami already keeps a log

Oden's journal wasnt the crew's log book it was his personal log book, Yamato keeps her own personal Log and Nami does what the navigator does and Logs the crews journey

 

[Uncle Van]

I may have pointed out the details you said also apply to Carrot, however he still changed his style with these 3 characters. Carrot got a backstory, was apart of the main conflict, and had focus as much as anyone else in the Sanji retrieval team. I ask for your clarity. Why don't you consider carrot apart of the main conflict of whole cake island? She joined the team that bought Sanji home and her actions were a main driving point.

You will need to provide proof then if you think what you're saying isn't speculation. I see parallels all the time but I also present myself hypothetically until proven. I want you to find a statement from oda/editor about carrot going to solely cause the wonder land theme. I also want you to find what carrot related things Naito was responsible for. If you can't do that I'm afraid I'm going to need to back away from this if you're not going to speak speculatively. To help you focus, just prove these 2 statements.
- "Oda planned on Carrot going to WCI solely cause of the Alice in Wonderland theme"
- "all of the other stuff Carrot has done was because of Naito pushing Oda to give her some spotlight."

Thank you for acknowledging Carrot's contribution. With that said Carrot's butterfly is among the most far reaching.

-Carrot gets average attention shared with Chopper during the first half of WCI
-Naito becomes editor just before the 2nd half of WCI
-Naito expresses his obsession with Carrot and how she needs to get more attention for the sake of diversity
-Carrot suddenly gets more attention near the end of WCI
-Naito is removed as editor early Wano
-Carrot's attention suddenly drops dramatically and adds nothing else to the Wano plot, along with getting off screened

You: "That means nothing. Show me evidence of Naito playing a factor!"

A single page showing how Carrot got the claws counts as a full/mutli chapter SH flashback to add depth to the main character.....makes sense.

Your best argument of faking Carrot's importance in Wano is to cling to a butterfly effect. Old Maid had a bigger contribution and butterly effect to the war than Carrot....

You're just making up stuff for the sake of Carrot

 

[Electricmastro]

I suppose the recent Road to Laugh Tale further lends to the possibility of Yamato becoming logkeeper. I had thought of brewer because of Chapter 999, but her voicing a desire to write a log in the concept art gives me the idea that it could be stated in the final version of the manga as well. Rather weird the actual manga has yet to mention it though.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Even Tama got way more of a backstory than Carrot, I never would have guessed in 2022 we would still this level of cope for a background character

 

[Electricmastro]

Even Tama got way more of a backstory than Carrot, I never would have guessed in 2022 we would still this level of cope for a background character

I understand a big reason people want Carrot to join us because her Sulong is cool. I suppose Wanda would accompany her since her Sulong is pretty cool too? She doesn’t seem to have much experience outside of Zou like Carrot either.

 

[Random_Kurozumi]

They were never 8 years old when we saw them and they didn't start actively participating in fights until they were teenagers. So Tama is just gonna be there for a few years doing nothing until another timeskip happens just for her? Roger rejected Pedro cause he was a little kid. Shanks rejected Luffy cause he was a little kid. Shanks and Buggy were pre-teens when we saw them.

Tama just gonna be powerless doing nothing, with no relevance to the plot until she finds a conveniently super powerful animal and take out a BB officer? Really suggesting that Nami of all people will let a child have death matches?

Shanks and Buggy were 9-year-old in Roger's ship, and Tama will be way more useful than they were thanks to her powers.
Are you really going to try to argue that the power to have any number of beasts obey your every order in the One Piece world is useless?
Don't try, because Luffy already stated the opposite.

Spoiler

 

[Uncle Van]

Shanks and Buggy were 9-year-old in Roger's ship, and Tama will be way more useful than they were thanks to her powers.
Are you really going to try to argue that the power to have any number of beasts obey your every order in the One Piece world is useless?
Don't try, because Luffy already stated the opposite.

Spoiler

Shanks and Buggy as 9 year olds were fighting death matches as part of the main cast? When? A power that requires powerful animals to be around at just the right time along with a character that's staying in Wano is pretty useful. It's no different from the Carrot fans who relied on random Sulong. Who gonna be babysitting the 8 year old and allowing her to have fights to the death? How come Tama gets to be sole exception?

 

[Ballel]

Shanks and Buggy were 9-year-old in Roger's ship, and Tama will be way more useful than they were thanks to her powers.
Are you really going to try to argue that the power to have any number of beasts obey your every order in the One Piece world is useless?
Don't try, because Luffy already stated the opposite.

Spoiler

Won't join

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Shanks and Buggy were 9-year-old in Roger's ship, and Tama will be way more useful than they were thanks to her powers.

If her powers had any effect on Zoans then yes.

 

[Random_Kurozumi]

Shanks and Buggy as 9 year olds were fighting death matches as part of the main cast? When? A power that requires powerful animals to be around at just the right time along with a character that's staying in Wano is pretty useful. It's no different from the Carrot fans who relied on random Sulong. Who gonna be babysitting the 8 year old and allowing her to have fights to the death? How come Tama gets to be sole exception?

You said Tama wasn't like Shanks and Buggy because they were pre-teens while she was just a kid. I was just correcting you that there isn't much of an age gap as you might have thought.
The animals don't even need to be powerful in order to be useful that's the thing. She could just tame a bunch of small creatures (birds, rats, etc)and instantly have a undetectable surveillance/information gathering team. It's a very versatile power. While Carrot's power comes once in a full moon and IF the weather is favorable, Tama's power lasts for an entire month and can be relied upon even if the user is knocked out. They are not the same.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

The animals don't even need to be powerful in order to be useful that's the thing. She could just tame a bunch of small creatures (birds, rats, etc)and instantly have a undetectable surveillance/information gathering team. It's a very versatile power.

Yes. On someone who isn't a child and would be able to defend themselves in the worst case senario.

 

[Finalbeta]

Winemon as new nakama would have probably made the journey way more spicey. Such an hilarious man.

 

[Uncle Van]

You said Tama wasn't like Shanks and Buggy because they were pre-teens while she was just a kid. I was just correcting you that there isn't much of an age gap as you might have thought.
The animals don't even need to be powerful in order to be useful that's the thing. She could just tame a bunch of small creatures (birds, rats, etc)and instantly have a undetectable surveillance/information gathering team. It's a very versatile power. While Carrot's power comes once in a full moon and IF the weather is favorable, Tama's power lasts for an entire month and can be relied upon even if the user is knocked out. They are not the same.

Once again, something that's never happened nor has been hinted at before. It's great that a SH would be on the sidelines with no active combat role for the first time ever. Good luck with the 8 year old death matches.

 

[Eagle]

I still don't understand why Smoker and Hancock are in the poll as possible Nakamas. Seriously, is there any chance they could get into the crew?

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

I wouldn't say there are requirements but there seems to be a repeating formula. I will bring up Jinbei. He was not a strawhat after the next arc. Robin's main enemy in Enies Lobby was Spandam not Lucci. Luffy defeated Katakuri who was the first person to put carrot down in an emotional way. crew member recruitment does not appear to be sololy based on luffy initiating. Zoro initiated Ussop and Nami asked chopper.

And you still missed that Jinbe has personal attachment to Hody Jones prior. They are both former Ryugu Kingdom soldiers, and Hody hated Jinbe so much because although they are from the same race & fellow soldiers, Jinbe decided to befriend humans instead of hating them. No need to mention that every single Straw Hat has personal issue with the antagonist prior joining. And anyway Luffy invited Jinbe, so he’s been a Straw Hat ever since.

And if you say Robin’s main enemy in Enies Lobby in Spandam, Robin defeated Spandam by herself. She bitched slaped him into oblivion before breaking his spine all by herself; after the seastone cuffs were released.

Meanwhile Carrot has nothing to do with Katakuri prior. They barely know each other. Carrot didn’t even defeat her main enemies by herself; the ones who defeated them are Inuarashi & Nekomamushi. And although you bring Zoro & Nami, again, until now nobody cares about Carrot. Even Nami & Chopper who were the closest to Carrot, didn’t give a shit to know her whereabouts in the raid. They don’t invite Carrot after the raid; heck they aren’t interacting anymore and Carrot has basically been Pandawoman at this point.


And again you can’t deny that every single Straw Hat has those 3 golden requirements. Carrot doesn’t have even a single of those. Deal with it, or simply explain why Carrot should be special that she doesn’t need to follow those requirements

 

[Fuckthis3]

Lol