How exactly is 8 year old Tama and fodder animals supposed to take out strong enemies though? She going to be a SH solely for comedic fodder control purposes?
How exactly is 8 year old Tama and fodder animals supposed to take out strong enemies though? She going to be a SH solely for comedic fodder control purposes?
Same reason why the rest of the choices are in the poll... The poll included the most popular fan picks regardless how high their chances really are...
People have been going on about Tama joining since the arc began, it's just now that it's obvious who's actually joining they're all coming out of the woodworks for last big coping session.
It's like the real world equivalent to the hour of legends
-Carrot gets average attention shared with Chopper during the first half of WCI
-Naito becomes editor just before the 2nd half of WCI
-Naito expresses his obsession with Carrot and how she needs to get more attention for the sake of diversity
-Carrot suddenly gets more attention near the end of WCI
-Naito is removed as editor early Wano
-Carrot's attention suddenly drops dramatically and adds nothing else to the Wano plot, along with getting off screened
You: "That means nothing. Show me evidence of Naito playing a factor!"
A single page showing how Carrot got the claws counts as a full/mutli chapter SH flashback to add depth to the main character.....makes sense.
Your best argument of faking Carrot's importance in Wano is to cling to a butterfly effect. Old Maid had a bigger contribution and butterly effect to the war than Carrot....
You're just making up stuff for the sake of Carrot
All I asked was for proof of your statements. If you're going to be absolute in your statements you will need to find proof. Having evidences is nice, but it not hard proof. We can debate evidences, but we can't debate facts. If you still believe your statements are facts, I'm ending this. This conversation is only going two ways now, you acknowledge your statements as evidences/not factual and we continues or you find proof. Have it your way.
For now, I'll treat your statements like evidences but if you come back stating them as facts you will be dropped. The ending of Wano was hinted at by various of Oda's friends 2 years in advance. Carrot involvement was before Naito and every mink in the retrieval team played an important role. I don't think it was mostly Naito that pushed Carrot I think this was already in the play how Whole Cake would end.
Carrot's backstory was still revealed however this series has a habit of revealing more elaborate details about a backstory later. This applies to Nami/Robin/Sanji. For comparison sake I'll yield. Do understand she still got a backstory and there is a history of more being revealed later.
"Old Maid" did you really mean old man Hyogoro?
Find proof for this too if you can. It can't be that hard, Naito is the furry right? "Naito expresses his obsession with Carrot and how she needs to get more attention for the sake of diversity"
My speculation has always been voiced as speculation. Facts I've present have not appeased you. What more can be said when you make up statements?
And you still missed that Jinbe has personal attachment to Hody Jones prior. They are both former Ryugu Kingdom soldiers, and Hody hated Jinbe so much because although they are from the same race & fellow soldiers, Jinbe decided to befriend humans instead of hating them. No need to mention that every single Straw Hat has personal issue with the antagonist prior joining. And anyway Luffy invited Jinbe, so he’s been a Straw Hat ever since.
And if you say Robin’s main enemy in Enies Lobby in Spandam, Robin defeated Spandam by herself. She bitched slaped him into oblivion before breaking his spine all by herself; after the seastone cuffs were released.
Meanwhile Carrot has nothing to do with Katakuri prior. They barely know each other. Carrot didn’t even defeat her main enemies by herself; the ones who defeated them are Inuarashi & Nekomamushi. And although you bring Zoro & Nami, again, until now nobody cares about Carrot. Even Nami & Chopper who were the closest to Carrot, didn’t give a shit to know her whereabouts in the raid. They don’t invite Carrot after the raid; heck they aren’t interacting anymore and Carrot has basically been Pandawoman at this point.
And again you can’t deny that every single Straw Hat has those 3 golden requirements. Carrot doesn’t have even a single of those. Deal with it, or simply explain why Carrot should be special that she doesn’t need to follow those requirements
I guess I will have to comply with the Jinbei argument but not entirely. Carrot had a personal attachment to Pedro and Pedro had an attachment to Big Mom directly. Pedro's story is about not having enough time in his life and preparing the next generation. By extension of Pedro it could be argued that is her connection.
What about Franky, Spandam was also his enemies for many years and he didn't get his revenge?
Everyone was preoccupied with their own troubles in the raid, however carrot wandered off. Carrot is featured bathing with Nami's and the strawhats in preparation for feast. Her presences is there.
I guess I will have to comply with the Jinbei argument but not entirely. Carrot had a personal attachment to Pedro and Pedro had an attachment to Big Mom directly. Pedro's story is about not having enough time in his life and preparing the next generation. By extension of Pedro it could be argued that is her connection.
What about Franky, Spandam was also his enemies for many years and he didn't get his revenge?
Everyone was preoccupied with their own troubles in the raid, however carrot wandered off. Carrot is featured bathing with Nami's and the strawhats in preparation for feast. Her presences is there.
That’s a huge stretch. It’s like saying that Spandam is Iceberg’s main enemy as well since Iceberg has attachment with Franky. Even if you say Big Mom is Pedro’s main enemy because Pedro has attachment to Big Mom, then it should be Big Mom whom Luffy defeats, not Katakuri. You’re really stretching that far. Carrot -> Pedro -> Big Mom -> Katakuri. See what I mean?
About the main antagonist defeated by Luffy, most of them Luffy takes care care of them. I previously have said that the main antagonist should be defeated by Luffy and/or any other Straw Hats prior joining. The only example is Morgan, who was defeated by Zoro; and also Robin who took out Spandam
Robin’s case is different. Crocodile was actually Robin’s main antagonist prior joining; Spandam is another one. At least Robin’s connection to Spandam is closer than what you stretch for Carrot & Big Mom since Spandam is Spandine’s son. Oda even gave Robin the extension of her past and a new antagonist (CP9 in general) that all of the Straw Hats (+Franky) took part in it. Nevertheless, although Franky didn’t defeat Spandam, he still had his role in defeating Fukuro as Luffy defeated Lucci and Robin defeated Spandam. Technically all of them are Straw Hats. Meanwhile in Carrot’s case not even a single Straw Hat helps her, or she helps Straw Hats dealing with the enemy. She lost big time, off screened, and both Carrot’s supposedly main antagonists are defeated by non Straw Hats.
The point still stands: those 3 requirements are needed before joining in the same arc
1. Terrible past usually during childhood
2. Acts as co-protagonist that helps in defeating the main antagonist
3. Main antagonist that is defeated by any Straw Hat; in this case mostly Luffy
All of Straw Hats have those 3. And again, Carrot doesn’t even have 1 of them. Even if Carrot has no 2 & 3, no 1 is the most important. Terrible past is what makes the crew is a family. That’s also the reason why Vivi didn’t join because she lacked terrible past. And that’s also why it’s number 1.
Same reason why the rest of the choices are in the poll... The poll included the most popular fan picks regardless how high their chances really are...
Agree. I wonder if/when the new thread will spawn, so that there can be another poll. Although imo Yamato joins and that will be it, if we take into account Luffy's "I want 10 people in the crew". I'm open for possibilities, though, before Yamato appeared I thought anyone new wouldn't feel good enough, but here I am, rooting for a relatively new character who - omg - didn't meet Luffy pre-TS :D
open for possibilities, though, before Yamato appeared I thought anyone new wouldn't feel good enough, but here I am, rooting for a relatively new character who - omg - didn't meet Luffy pre-TS :D
That dipshit pervert is the only one who thought this at the time, and like everything else he’s ever bitched about, he was hilariously proven wrong by the very “evidence” he used for his own case. Wherever he is, I hope he can feel how stupid I think he is :laughmoji:
Yamato in the top illustrations looked more serious and angry and then almost Princess like. Her face is pretty good on the left side wonder why he switched it up.
Agree. I wonder if/when the new thread will spawn, so that there can be another poll. Although imo Yamato joins and that will be it, if we take into account Luffy's "I want 10 people in the crew". I'm open for possibilities, though, before Yamato appeared I thought anyone new wouldn't feel good enough, but here I am, rooting for a relatively new character who - omg - didn't meet Luffy pre-TS :D
July 24 cannot come soon enough... But I doubt it would simply pick up where we left, and SH have to deal with Green Bull before they leave Wano for good, so I expect another month or two of agonizing copium here in the forum
Writing a diary which is basically never mentionned is totally the same as a ship's log, sure thing lmao. Even as a Nami simp this has to be one of the saddest deflections I've ever seen on here
They were never 8 years old when we saw them and they didn't start actively participating in fights until they were teenagers. So Tama is just gonna be there for a few years doing nothing until another timeskip happens just for her? Roger rejected Pedro cause he was a little kid. Shanks rejected Luffy cause he was a little kid. Shanks and Buggy were pre-teens when we saw them.
Tama just gonna be powerless doing nothing, with no relevance to the plot until she finds a conveniently super powerful animal and take out a BB officer? Really suggesting that Nami of all people will let a child have death matches?
Oden's journal wasnt the crew's log book it was his personal log book, Yamato keeps her own personal Log and Nami does what the navigator does and Logs the crews journey
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