Is jinbe gonna witness greatness soon?


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After all Oda already compared Joy Boy (Luffy)’s feat to Ryuma and Momo is now seen as the monster samurai of Wano, so it will probably be Luffy and Momo visiting Ryuma’s grave.
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Hold on when luffy or momo had interest in visit Ryuma's grave also when momo has been compared with ryuma the only one who's been compared with ryuma has been our boy in two times
 
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Hold on when luffy or momo had interest in visit Ryuma's grave also when momo has been compared with ryuma the only one who's been compared with ryuma has been our boy in two times
I like your positive thinking! But Oda’s recent comments and peculiar pacing also makes me think that he’ll just skip it. We are in the final saga, so I am wondering how Zoro visiting Ryuma’s grave is going to connect to the endgame. I hope we’ll learn about black blades but that could just be an endgame feat for Zoro.
 
I like your positive thinking! But Oda’s recent comments and peculiar pacing also makes me think that he’ll just skip it. We are in the final saga, so I am wondering how Zoro visiting Ryuma’s grave is going to connect to the endgame. I hope we’ll learn about black blades but that could just be an endgame feat for Zoro.
Yeah wano is almost ending the problem is oda wasting too much pannel in irrelevant fodders characters hope is like TB end scene and i don´t want he changes 3 kitetsu for the 2 hope he steals nidai and EoW leave with four swords
 

115673

The Walking Muscle, Plot-armor and Boobs Trio
Have no expectations lol
That way you'll be happy when you get pleasant surprises
Tell that to kid me who picked up the anime in 2005. Zero expectation is very difficult to do now. It stinks that I have to lower it. Part of growing up I guess.

Oda teasing Zoro’s heritage just bothers me. I know Zoro is a character defined by his actions, and I don’t need a sad backstory to enjoy him. But Oda also hinted at possible Zoro back stories only to drop them. It feels like every storyline regarding Zoro was dropped. I am still hoping that Zoro will visit Ryuma’s grave. I don’t think it will happen though. After all Oda already compared Joy Boy (Luffy)’s feat to Ryuma and Momo is now seen as the monster samurai of Wano, so it will probably be Luffy and Momo visiting Ryuma’s grave.
I was happy with Zoro being a nobody who will be the best by his own. I never wanted him to be Ryuuma's parallel or a Shimotsuki. I hate characters who are like the second-coming of Jesus.

But then Oda went out of his way to tease the same. Why did he have to do that? I can forgive many of the decisions Oda made in Wano. But teasing us when most of us weren’t expecting/interested in Zoro's past beyond the Dojo, then suddenly dropping it was really disgusting. Making Luffy-Ryuuma connection was just rubbing salt on the wound.
 
Hey Guys, I have lurked here for a while to keep up with OP. With Wano over and a new saga starting next week, I am kind of burned out. Zoro is my most favorite OP character (followed by Luffy, Nami, and Doflamingo), so I think this Zoro FC is the right place to get some enthusiasm back. Most of this post is kind of a rant, but please bear with me. I really want to see if you guys still have the enthusiasm that I lost during Wano.

I have been following OP since 2005. Luffy, Zoro and Nami are (although Luffy is less likable than he was before) my favorites. I initially perceived it as a story where few dumb guys visit exotic islands, get into ridiculous conflict and beat up bad guys. But over the years, the story evolved to something else. Recently it feels more like a story of a great savior. So, my enjoyment was already dropping when we started Wano. My annoyance peaked during Udon, but I still kept reading weekly to mainly see some development on Zoro like Sanji got in Whole Cake Island.

That development never came. I expected Ryuma lore, almost nothing but annoying teases. I expected Zoro heritage (well...initially I didn’t, till Oda dropped that SBS hinting Zoro may be a Shimotsuki), nothing but teases. I expected Luffy/Zoro tag team vs. Kaido, nope. And every time Zoro got something, Oda took it back very soon somehow. Zoro fought Kaido in rooftop: "Well, I only did it because of 1000 chapter celebration". Zoro got Conquerer's Haki: Well, Luffy, Kid and Law all ultimately won with their Devil Fruit, not Haki. To put salt on the wound, an Admiral just crushed the Guy Zoro had to work hard to beat. For every good thing that happened to Zoro in this arc, Oda managed to make it lackluster later on with his commentary or something else.

Which brings me to my first question. With the new Saga being called Final Saga, how many Zoro-centric chapters do you expect till the end of the story? Suppose there are 250 chapters left (that's roughly the length of the Yonkou saga). Since we are not getting any background on Zoro and with Zoro's only relevance in the story being a fighter against the second (or third, depending on Law/Kid situation) strongest in the antagonist group, and with Oda not interested in drawing any fight for more than 2 chapters (unless it involves Luffy), how many Zoro-centric chapter can we realistically expect?

Shiryu - 2 chapters
An Admiral - 2 chapters
Mihawk - 2 chapters

Is that it? Do I really have to go through 250 chapters again for only 6 Zoro-Centric chapters? Because I am losing my fondness for Luffy and Nami is MIA. I used to care about Roger and the Void century a lot, but Oden's Flashback has made Roger goofy and less interesting. How many Zoro-centric chapters do you think we can get if go through the filth that is almost surely even more disgusting than Wano.

Second question is, how much should I lower my expectation to be able to enjoy Zoro's journey? It seems to me that among the well known Shonens (Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho, Hunter x Hunter etc.), Zoro is the "second fiddle" with least development. Hell...even Ishida got more of a personal journey in Bleach (and I am not sure he even qualifies as a second fiddle) than Zoro has had (the only two times where Zoro's personal struggle really hit me were in Alabasta when he unlocked breath of all things and in Kuraigana when he begged Mihawk, Ebisu was so wasted). Never mind the likes of Hiei, Vegeta or Sasuke.

Sorry for bringing so much negativity to a place where we are supposed to be positive about Zoro. But I really wanted hardcore Zoro fans' opinions and only Zoro fans' opinions. If you guys also think that Zoro-centric chapters will be very few-and-far between as well, may be I will stop reading weekly and let the series end before picking it up again.

Thanks for reading.
Hey man, this is a good post. A die hard Zoro fan @Cinera once accused me of having low expectations because I have been saying for long there is no way ZKK is happening and there might be a possibility that Kidd-Law outshines Zoro this arc.

The thing is Zoro surpassed my expectations when he got included in the rooftop fight. Think about it. Oda could draw a fight of Luffy-Kidd-Law vs Kaido. There was no point in dragging Zoro up there, but he did. Not only Zoro was present at rooftop, he outshone everyone. He blocked a dual yonko attack that made everyone shit themselves. He scarred Kaido with a broken body.

He unlocked AdCoC. No other pirate from the worst generation has AdCoC other than Luffy. Kaido said that the haki users reign supreme! Take a pause and think about it for a moment. AdCoC is the strongest power in the verse and Zoro has it! Honestly, I couldnt believe it when Zoro blocked hakai or unlocked AdCoC.

Was King underwhelming as Zoro's opponent when Kidd-Law got a yonko? Sure. But lets not forget they beat Meme (the most pathetic yonko ever) in a tag team.

As @solis said, keep your expectations low. Thats the formula of happiness.
 
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115673

The Walking Muscle, Plot-armor and Boobs Trio
Question for all ZKK doubters - What will make Zoro's name reach the heavens? :cheers:
Beating Dracule Mihawk, World's Strongest swordsman! Duh!

If killing someone who has already accepted defeat is enough to reach Heavens, plenty of people have already reached heavens in OPverse.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Beating Dracule Mihawk, World's Strongest swordsman! Duh!

If killing someone who has already accepted defeat is enough to reach Heavens, plenty of people have already reached heavens in OPverse.
Nobody killed Kaido. WSS was already achieved by Ryuma and Mihawk. Same with black blade. Zoro needs an achievement that nobody else has and we all know what it is.
Beating Mihawk is good but reaching the heavens good? I doubt it.
 

115673

The Walking Muscle, Plot-armor and Boobs Trio
Nobody killed Kaido. WSS was already achieved by Ryuma and Mihawk. Same with black blade. Zoro needs an achievement that nobody else has and we all know what it is.
Beating Mihawk is good but reaching the heavens good? I doubt it.
If beating Mihawk doesn't make it happen, then his name better not reach heaven.

I do not believe Zoro has anything else to do with Kaido and at this point I do not want it. Zoro doesn’t need Luffy's sloppy seconds. I also don't need to see Zoro's infamy coming from being Luffy's crewmate.

Mihawk is the guy who is far removed from Luffy in this story so far and he is the guy I am willing to bet on for Zoro. Everyone else is already or soon will be Luffy's bitch and Zoro need no glory from them.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
If beating Mihawk doesn't make it happen, then his name better not reach heaven.

I do not believe Zoro has anything else to do with Kaido and at this point I do not want it. Zoro doesn’t need Luffy's sloppy seconds. I also don't need to see Zoro's infamy coming from being Luffy's crewmate.

Mihawk is the guy who is far removed from Luffy in this story so far and he is the guy I am willing to bet on for Zoro. Everyone else is already or soon will be Luffy's bitch and Zoro need no glory from them.
To me, ZKK is equivalent to Luffy becoming PK or finding the One Piece.
That is the only event connected to Zoro that I can imagine to spread Zoro's name like nothing else.
I simply cannot imagine the world being shaken by Zoro's name because he defeated Mihawk.
Unless defeating Mihawk is such an unbelievable thing in the eyes of characters in One Piece...

I understand your point about Luffy's sloppy seconds but if Kaido awakens into a form that Luffy never faced, that concern is gone.
Even if he doesnt have Awakened form, killing Kaido is something that Luffy cannot even dream about.
I agree that Zoro being Luffy's crewmate should be the last thing that makes Zoro infamous.
Mihawk is reserved for Zoro, no need to worry about that.
 
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