Spoiler Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1057 Spoilers Discussion

[Buusatan94]

Caesar has been portrayed s a joke ever since PH ended.

Just look back at the rooftop fiasco, he was toyed with by freakin Brulee of all people.

Now he manages to save Germa from aa BM veteran and Katakuri of all people?

What happened to Katakuri's future sight ffs? The way he was portrayed at WCI (neg diffing Ichiji, not even caring about Caesar etc.) he would have easily clapped them.

That's the issue here.

It's just another case of brutally inconsistent writing.

Indeed but Oda has never been consistent with power levels anyway, and that's not the first time that people manage to escape or foil characters far far stronger than them who should catch them effortlessly as seen with Kuzan, Kizaru, Kaido, Doflamingo, Big Mom, Sengoku, etc...

Garp is a champion of this given how easily he let Chinjao and his crew, Morgan and the Straw Hats at Enies Lobby slip through his fingers.

 

[Seven7]

It's actually the one part of the chapter I find refreshing.

1) It isn't racism. It's not going against a race or anything, just against a certain clan.

2) It is much more relatable than the old "oh, everything is forgiven now, no hard feelings anymore" bullshit. Motherfuckers killed her family and ruined Wano. No way I would forgive those assholes, even if it isn't the "morally correct thing to do". They could rot in hell for all I care.

3) Orochi and Kanjuro were the last Koruzumi anyway, so it's not like some offspring will get targeted. They just made sure that the Koruzumi name will (rightfully) forever be hated in Wano history.

Fair enough
But if tama is revealed to be a kurozumi.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

No offence but sometimes the OP fanbase really overly pretends to be stupid. Base Luffy already is on Kaido's level let alone G4.

If base Luffy was on kaidos level Luffy would not have lost using a stronger form so base neither g4 is stronger or as strong as kaido

 

[Jailer]

It's actually the one part of the chapter I find refreshing.

1) It isn't racism. It's not going against a race or anything, just against a certain clan.

2) It is much more relatable than the old "oh, everything is forgiven now, no hard feelings anymore" bullshit. Motherfuckers killed her family and ruined Wano. No way I would forgive those assholes, even if it isn't the "morally correct thing to do". They could rot in hell for all I care.

3) Orochi and Kanjuro were the last Koruzumi anyway, so it's not like some offspring will get targeted. They just made sure that the Koruzumi name will (rightfully) forever be hated in Wano history.

No one is saying Orochi didn't deserve to be killed. However the prosecution made him also evil, imagine being a child born like that. He was given power to fight back those who hunted him down, got batshit crazy.

And nothing changed, fuck the kurozumi kids according to Hiyori, let's sing that to the kids of Wano, if there's some kurozumi still around they better not go to school

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's actually the one part of the chapter I find refreshing.

1) It isn't racism. It's not going against a race or anything, just against a certain clan.

2) It is much more relatable than the old "oh, everything is forgiven now, no hard feelings anymore" bullshit. Motherfuckers killed her family and ruined Wano. No way I would forgive those assholes, even if it isn't the "morally correct thing to do". They could rot in hell for all I care.

3) Orochi and Kanjuro were the last Koruzumi anyway, so it's not like some offspring will get targeted. They just made sure that the Koruzumi name will (rightfully) forever be hated in Wano history.

Again the problem is that they were always being bitches to the kurozumi clan. They hunted down Orochi and his family when he was a child.

 

[Aknolagon]

and be warned, Zoro will face the "powerful" YC Shiryuu while Law and Kid will defeat admirals.

Law and kidd defeating someone in 1 vs 1 ? Lmao!

Maybe next time the ground will collapse or a random meteorite will fall on their nerfed opponent head.

Everyone saw what happened and you are talking like it was amazing

 

[zzShinichi]

No one is saying Orochi didn't deserve to be killed. However the prosecution made him also evil, imagine being a child born like that. He was given power to fight back those who hunted him down, got batshit crazy.

And nothing changed, fuck the kurozumi kids according to Hiyori, let's sing that to the kids of Wano, if there's some kurozumi still around they better not go to school

All this wouldn't be this bad if it's just another throw away panel in the middle of a post raid chapter
But the fact that Oda chose this as the final Epic Double Panel of Wano is fucking hilarious

 

[Bepo D. Bear]

Imagine Bepo vs Zoro

if Law wants the crews to fight



Poor bear man

Bepo already feels sorry for beating up Zoro, but Captain told me to do so ... Sorry

 

[Brendan Schaub]

Caesar has been portrayed as a joke ever since PH ended.

Just look back at the rooftop fiasco, he was toyed with by freakin Brulee of all people.

Now he manages to save Germa from a BM veteran and Katakuri of all people?

What happened to Katakuri's future sight ffs? The way he was portrayed at WCI (neg diffing Ichiji, not even caring about Caesar etc.) he would have easily clapped them.

That's the issue here.

It's just another case of brutally inconsistent writing.

Didn't Jack defeat everyone in Zou using Caesar's poison gas?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I'm tired of people saying Zoro will fight Shiryu. The invisibility fruit was useless for combat once observation haki was introduced.

 

[Jailer]

Think of how he handled Drake infiltrating Kaidou and there you have your answer.

I legit don't trust Oda in this regard. Most characters involved in his plots end up going here and there but never actually do a thing. In fact, no Supernova working for Kaidou did anything of value; that's three seemingly important characters wasted without a clear role.

To be fair they did more than enough, considering the original plan was apparently for them to get offed by the Yonko like flies, lol.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

No offence but sometimes the OP fanbase really overly pretends to be stupid. Base Luffy already is on Kaido's level let alone G4.

I doubt Oda looks at this as "BASE LUFFY IS KAIDOU LEVEL"; that's the kind of power level-biased absurdity he obviously doesn't give a damn about. Those clashes are clashes of will, doesn't mean they are mathematically equal as in a videogame but that they're strong-willed enough to top the food chain. Of course this more or less correlates to a level of strength (they are all incredibly powerful conquerors), but it's clear as day it isn't meant to be taken as a measure for Gear Fourth being whatever just because "base Luffy" is splitting the sky. The sky will split just the same whether in base or any of his gears.

 

[Dark-Abel]

No offence but sometimes the OP fanbase really overly pretends to be stupid. Base Luffy already is on Kaido's level let alone G4.

Those clashes are so cute

 

[dirtyLarry]

Again the problem is that they were always being bitches to the kurozumi clan. They hunted down Orochi and his family when he was a child.

Because those fuckers poisoned half the daimyos and plotted to take the throne even back then.

They have been portrayed as straight evil throughout the story.

Orochi getting the worst of it as a somewhat (still) innocent child was cruel/unfortunate, yes, but blame his rotten family for being assholes in the first place.

He then - despite all the bad stuff that happened to him - had the chance to turn things around (we saw countless characters do that in the series). What did he decide to do? Ruin all of Wano and enslave the people.

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

Fair enough
But if tama is revealed to be a kurozumi.

Don't worry Tama can be fixed... with fire

 

[zzShinichi]

I'm tired of people saying Zoro will fight Shiryu. The invisibility fruit was useless for combat once observation haki was introduced.

Maybe Shiryuu will be given the "COO Killer" ability similar to Shanks or something.
Or Oda will simply make the invi fruit also delete one's presence entirely

 

[Jailer]

I'm tired of people saying Zoro will fight Shiryu. The invisibility fruit was useless for combat once observation haki was introduced.

Absalom was simply a shit user of it, there's more to an ability called "clear clear" fruit. Awakening, some sort of unique Haki, etc.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Orochi getting the worst of it as a somewhat (still) innocent child was cruel/unfortunate, yes, but blame his rotten family for being assholes in the first place.

"It isn't a crime to simply exist!" - Cutty Flam

 

[Aknolagon]

I love how people give lessons and are shocked about that Kurozumi thing but they actually do the same thing in real life.

Even here in this forum, an entire fanbase could be cursed and insulted because of some hardcore fans.
An example that I saw recently : "All Zorotards should die"

@nik87-san world is full of mysteries !

 

[Jailer]

Clear fruir - beyond physical invisibility, awakening might clear the users presence entirely and other things too, not only Shiryu's presence but his attacks will also come out of nowhere.