Controversial The defenitive thread about swordsmanship skills and titles.
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If that was true then Shanks would be the WSS, but he's not.
It doesn't matter how hard you try to deny it, haki is included in swordsmanship. Mihawk swordsmanship possesses haki and is overall stronger with stronger haki.
Remember, skill is defined as the ability to do something well.
Swordmanship refers to the skills and techniques used in combat and training with any type of sword.
It doesn't matter how hard you try to deny it, haki is included in swordsmanship. Mihawk swordsmanship possesses haki and is overall stronger with stronger haki.
Remember, skill is defined as the ability to do something well.
Swordmanship refers to the skills and techniques used in combat and training with any type of sword.
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You didn't give an example of anything, you use cheap guesswork and call it ''evidence''.
Zoro using his slashes to generate a wind attack doesn't prove shit, just that Zoro doesn't use swordmanship 100% of the time, but 99% of the time. His main fighting style is all about CUTTING, so he fits that swordsmanship criteria.
If you agree that Vista has fencing skills equal to or greater than Mihawk, then you've come to the grand conclusion that Vista > Shanks does too, so I have no interest in continuing to argue with you.
And if Ikoku is confirmed as a swordmanship technique, then it's a slashing/cutting technique, and I have no problem with that.
At the end of the day, I'll be right, fencing skills only involve cutting techniques, the manga isn't far to come to that conclusion
Zoro using his slashes to generate a wind attack doesn't prove shit, just that Zoro doesn't use swordmanship 100% of the time, but 99% of the time. His main fighting style is all about CUTTING, so he fits that swordsmanship criteria.
If you agree that Vista has fencing skills equal to or greater than Mihawk, then you've come to the grand conclusion that Vista > Shanks does too, so I have no interest in continuing to argue with you.
And if Ikoku is confirmed as a swordmanship technique, then it's a slashing/cutting technique, and I have no problem with that.
At the end of the day, I'll be right, fencing skills only involve cutting techniques, the manga isn't far to come to that conclusion
What do you mean they didn't show it? King admitted that his defense would not stand up to Zoro's acoc, as shown in their dialogue. Zoro asks why he is afraid to take blows as before. And King went the distance without risking being killed in close combat.
Mihawk is still waiting for someone STRONGER than SHANKS.
Mihawk is still the STRONGEST and is waiting for someone who is stronger than Shanks.
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Mihawk is still waiting for someone STRONGER than SHANKS.
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Mihawk is still the STRONGEST and is waiting for someone who is stronger than Shanks.
all these threads trying to decipher what skill is and what isnt skill when the lines are blurred with haki in regards to getting better at swordsmanship makes this argument pretty pointless.
its quite clear why shanks was mentioned when talking about mihawk's swordmanship not kaido , not big mom etc.
he is a swordsman as is mihawk , who is the strongest swordsman
but its not the first time we have seen this before. Wb was the strongest man and roger was equally as strong but because factually no human was stronger than wb (roger included ) , then his title does infact remain valid. looks like a similar case applies here.
its quite clear why shanks was mentioned when talking about mihawk's swordmanship not kaido , not big mom etc.
he is a swordsman as is mihawk , who is the strongest swordsman
but its not the first time we have seen this before. Wb was the strongest man and roger was equally as strong but because factually no human was stronger than wb (roger included ) , then his title does infact remain valid. looks like a similar case applies here.
You're the one making a claim. I've shown both Oden and Zoro use shockwaves and calling it "xx sword style attack" which is only used for swordsmanship attacks in manga.
I've shown BM use a blast that is officially called swordsmanship. It's literally a blast. It never cuts.
If you're going to call it fraudulent, that's okay, but we need something more than "all swordsmanship attacks are cutting cause I say so"
You need to give a single implication or statement in entire manga history including side material or even anime which says Swordsmanship is limited to cutting only.
Otherwise you're making a rule in your head and Insulting others for disagreeing and pretending attacks that are officially dubbed swordsmanship are fraudulent.
Alabasta confirmed that not cutting when you don't want to cut is as much a part of swordsmanship as cutting everything and steel. So your argument is completely negated to begin with.
Man, you're basically creating a guesswork rule that is contradicted by Manga and DB, all while being supported by nothing but your imagination, and then you're pretending others are somehow dumb because they don't agree with your "obvious" take.
This is literally a repeat of your "Zoro was smacking his swords together in 1010 and anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded" lol
I've shown BM use a blast that is officially called swordsmanship. It's literally a blast. It never cuts.
If you're going to call it fraudulent, that's okay, but we need something more than "all swordsmanship attacks are cutting cause I say so"
You need to give a single implication or statement in entire manga history including side material or even anime which says Swordsmanship is limited to cutting only.
Otherwise you're making a rule in your head and Insulting others for disagreeing and pretending attacks that are officially dubbed swordsmanship are fraudulent.
Alabasta confirmed that not cutting when you don't want to cut is as much a part of swordsmanship as cutting everything and steel. So your argument is completely negated to begin with.
Man, you're basically creating a guesswork rule that is contradicted by Manga and DB, all while being supported by nothing but your imagination, and then you're pretending others are somehow dumb because they don't agree with your "obvious" take.
This is literally a repeat of your "Zoro was smacking his swords together in 1010 and anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded" lol
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swordsmanship uses haki. same as every other fightinstyle does.
being the strongest swordsman includes haki.
its irrelevant if Mihawk only has basic CoA while Shanks has CoC coating. as long as Mihawk is the strongest swordsman he beats Shanks. plain and simple.
Shanks apologists sound like this:
"dude, my car has 6 gears"
"yeah, but did you win the race?"
"no, the guy with 5 gears always beats me, but since I have 6 gears I am technically faster"
being the strongest swordsman includes haki.
its irrelevant if Mihawk only has basic CoA while Shanks has CoC coating. as long as Mihawk is the strongest swordsman he beats Shanks. plain and simple.
Shanks apologists sound like this:
"dude, my car has 6 gears"
"yeah, but did you win the race?"
"no, the guy with 5 gears always beats me, but since I have 6 gears I am technically faster"
Don't forget his partner in crime @Rootbeer he deserves equal credit 
Daikengou>Kengou>Swordsman
Ok full translation of Vista Vivrecard by me:
There is no one that doesn't know about this swordsman!
He is one of the best in the two sword style in the world!!
Alongside Marco and the others, he's one of the most important members of Whitebeard Pirates, he Is the Commander of the Fifth division and he is one of top class swordsmen in the world, being able to compete against Mihawk.
Utilizing his technique with the sword, his troop plays the role of leading the special attacks and taking the lead on the battlefield.
However, despite its prestige (ability), he doesn't overstimate/doesn't count too much on his strength (alone), he acts intelligently based on the situation.
Also, he's the one which Is responsable/takes care of being the chief of staff and he asses/evalutes the youngest ones, especially if they are promising as Ace and Luffy.
<< the swords of Vista>>
His epithet "Of the flower Swords" Vista, comes from the name of his swords, which name Is "Kaken" (flower weapons)
Vista is an user of "armament haki" and he's capable of coating with haki his swords making them black-colored.
His great ability with the sword rivals/competes with that of Mihawk.
This makes him a swordsman of top-class worldwide (in all the world).
Even though he was facing the Greatest Swordsman in the world, he was never intimidated.
He accepted the proposal of Mihawk and he withdrawed his sword.
Gallerymemo -> Vista has trained hard since he was a kid.
His desire of using a saber comes since his childhood, when(during that time) he used a wood sword.
