[FNZ] Salem of Lies Round 09: Throne of Lies

[TheAncientCenturion]

Prince can't use execute till night three so she would still be alive tomorrow.....


But killing her at night is best bet so we should go with it.


However, TAC I want to get you investigated just to be on safe side that you aren't Anti Town.

The Prince should kill her N3, first chance he gets. Until then we need to tolerate Flowa.

I'm fine with being looked into. NeutralWatcher or Nat can do it tonight, however I'd want Kiwi, Cinera and yourself looked into. Cinera for obvious reasons this day phase. You've been quiet so far, which isn't your meta. And Kiwi is our queen but her affiliation isn't strictly known.

 

[krogothwolf]

The Prince should kill her N3, first chance he gets. Until then we need to tolerate Flowa.

I'm fine with being looked into. NeutralWatcher or Nat can do it tonight, however I'd want Kiwi, Cinera and yourself looked into. Cinera for obvious reasons this day phase. You've been quiet so far, which isn't your meta. And Kiwi is our queen but her affiliation isn't strictly known.

King wont appear as cult/unseen.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

King wont appear as cult/unseen.

Would Nat's investing reveal anything?

 

[krogothwolf]

Would Nat's investing reveal anything?

Nope. Nothing useful anyways.

 

[Reborn]

The Prince should kill her N3, first chance he gets. Until then we need to tolerate Flowa.

I'm fine with being looked into. NeutralWatcher or Nat can do it tonight, however I'd want Kiwi, Cinera and yourself looked into. Cinera for obvious reasons this day phase. You've been quiet so far, which isn't your meta. And Kiwi is our queen but her affiliation isn't strictly known.

Sure... but not sure how invest on king will work

Also, we need to track and protect our invest for two reasons

1)to protect them for kills

2)to have protection from frame results

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Sure... but not sure how invest on king will work

Also, we need to track and protect our invest for two reasons

1)to protect them for kills

2)to have protection from frame results

Frame results is the real issue. Unless we have a role that functions like lookout, anyone we tell NeutralWatcher or Nat to invest has the chance of being framed. Or, converted. They won't get the results that said player was converted IIRC.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Nope. Nothing useful anyways.

That's unfortunate. Personally not a good scum reader, so I was hoping we'd have a mechanic to help out. I'm more positive on Kiwi than negative, but she hasn't sold me on being good yet.

 

[Reborn]

Frame results is the real issue. Unless we have a role that functions like lookout, anyone we tell NeutralWatcher or Nat to invest has the chance of being framed. Or, converted. They won't get the results that said player was converted IIRC.

There is an observer role mention in wiki.

 

[krogothwolf]

There is an observer role mention in wiki.

Can't target king but can find king visiting if it visits.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Sure... but not sure how invest on king will work

Also, we need to track and protect our invest for two reasons

1)to protect them for kills

2)to have protection from frame results

can investigators be converted as well? in that case add that to the can of reasons since nat gave his role out.

on the other hand with krog I voted you cause you barely met the post requirement but a lot of your post weren't actively giving reads on players but some on mechanics and others on how al gets reactions from other players. Today I was leaning townie on you until you were asked to give reads and they are basically one liners and vague
is this your first game krog, it doesnt seem like it is.


yes putting a lynch on someone is a fine way to get reads based off reactions . if you have other ideas tho do tell.

 

[krogothwolf]

can investigators be converted as well? in that case add that to the can of reasons since nat gave his role out.

on the other hand with krog I voted you cause you barely met the post requirement but a lot of your post weren't actively giving reads on players but some on mechanics and others on how al gets reactions from other players. Today I was leaning townie on you until you were asked to give reads and they are basically one liners and vague
is this your first game krog, it doesnt seem like it is.


yes putting a lynch on someone is a fine way to get reads based off reactions . if you have other ideas tho do tell.

Its how I play, I don't go balls in anymore to much effort and I enjoy the game my way.

Ask actual questions to get actual answers? Start pestering them with accusations and look for issues in their posts?

Not even asking for reads just flat out lynching is a lazy way to get a reaction read.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

There is an observer role mention in wiki.

There is an observer role mention in wiki.

Hrm. This is an issue. There is no guarantee that I'm not framed or converted at night or that Nat/NW won't be converted at night. Observer is hopeful but we can't be too reliant on roles we don't know are included, we have 2 Invest claims already after all.

I'd say that anyone we tell Invest to look into will be tampered with before the results come back to town. I also can't promise I'll be town tomorrow, if I'm hit by Cult tonight. It would be a false-clear in that case. Same if you were invest'd. It's best if @NeutralWatcher and @Natalija don't tell us who they invest until we know if there's something like observer out there.

 

[Ena]

Can't target king but can find king visiting if it visits.

not really, I checked the wiki and good/evil king night abilities does not count as visiting

 

[krogothwolf]

not really, I checked the wiki and good/evil king night abilities does not count as visiting

So really, how the hell do you tell which king is which? Lynch and hope for the best? lol.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

So really, how the hell do you tell which king is which? Lynch and hope for the best? lol.

It means we need @Kiwipom to be very active in the game, and if we have reasons to doubt her, we lynch her.

 

[Ena]

also there is a blue dragon role who can get rid of the king anytime they want

 

[Reborn]

can investigators be converted as well? in that case add that to the can of reasons since nat gave his role out.

Based on wiki, both Paladin and princess can be converted by cult.

Hrm. This is an issue. There is no guarantee that I'm not framed or converted at night or that Nat/NW won't be converted at night. Observer is hopeful but we can't be too reliant on roles we don't know are included, we have 2 Invest claims already after all.

I'd say that anyone we tell Invest to look into will be tampered with before the results come back to town. I also can't promise I'll be town tomorrow, if I'm hit by Cult tonight. It would be a false-clear in that case. Same if you were invest'd. It's best if @NeutralWatcher and @Natalija don't tell us who they invest until we know if there's something like observer out there.

Hmmmm

So basically we have to rely on our reads

 

[Reborn]

also there is a blue dragon role who can get rid of the king anytime they want

I haven't find such BD killing role in wiki.

To which role you are referring to?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Based on wiki, both Paladin and princess can be converted by cult.


Hmmmm

So basically we have to rely on our reads

Worse than that. Each day, we should act as if everyone is scum and remove any preconceived notions / biases about the other players from previous days. There's no telling who's been converted. I think only @NeutralWatcher is immune to this, actually. And Kiwi I believe.

The good news is that from turn 3 onwards, Prince and NeutralWatcher both get the ability to kill.

 

[krogothwolf]

I haven't find such BD killing role in wiki.

To which role you are referring to?

The Butler.