General & Others Oda Isn’t a Good Writer According to Pixar

Logiko

Logiko

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#244
#244
Kozuki TVU said:
yes i know but do i have to admire bellamy now?
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No, but to understand his present value, yes.


Kozuki TVU said:
this pixar rule is some bullshit like those participation trophies where you get rewarded for taking part
in any competition there's winners and losers and the losers don't matter
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I think you don't understand the value behind this rule.

The point of this rule is to say that characters are always better because they struggle to get to their goal rather than just accomplish things out of nowhere.
 
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PeperLevi

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#246
#246
Nobody has the right to mock my man lee33 for this thread. This thread aged like wine. Especially after Shitty Country Arc.
My favorite movies of Pixar are: Finding Nemo,Finding Dory,Brave,Coco.
They are pleasant like Whole Caca and Shitty Country were not because they follow these rules.
Let's look at how Lolda's ignorance of these rules makes Shit Piece so shitty.
2.Keep in mind what's interesting for you as a audience,not what's fun to do as a writer. They can be very different.
What Lolda have in mind are his interests in unrealistically omnipotent protagonists,villains who just exist to be living punching bags for the heroes and stories that distort the truths about life. Any person who is truly smart and dignified are disgusted by these things.
6.What is your character good at,comfortable with? Throw the polar opposite at them. Challenge them. How do they deal?
Lolda never writes villains challenging Condom-Boy's gang properly. He shoves down everyone's throats that their beliefs are absolute truths that no one should question.
16.What are the stakes? Give us reason to root for the character. What happen if they don't succeed? Stack the odds against.
Lolda doesn't know how to make someone root for a character. The biggest example is how he shoved down everyone's throats that Shitty Country should be saved at any cost to the point where the effect was the opposite for me(And for many other people,i believe.). He managed to make me root for a big genocide. Shit Piece never have stakes. Condom-Boy's gang succeeds because everyone is by their side and every odds are in their favor,are there are never consequences afterwards. Their successes always came for free.
19.Coincidences to get characters into trouble are great,coincidences to get them out of it are cheating.
It means that Condom-Boy's gang always succeed due to cheating. Everyone is unrealistically always by their side and every odds are unrealistically always in their favor.
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lee33

lee33

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#247
#247
PeperLevi said:
Nobody has the right to mock my man lee33 for this thread. This thread aged like wine. Especially after Shitty Country Arc.
My favorite movies of Pixar are: Finding Nemo,Finding Dory,Brave,Coco.
They are pleasant like Whole Caca and Shitty Country were not because they follow these rules.
Let's look at how Lolda's ignorance of these rules makes Shit Piece so shitty.
2.Keep in mind what's interesting for you as a audience,not what's fun to do as a writer. They can be very different.
What Lolda have in mind are his interests in unrealistically omnipotent protagonists,villains who just exist to be living punching bags for the heroes and stories that distort the truths about life. Any person who is truly smart and dignified are disgusted by these things.
6.What is your character good at,comfortable with? Throw the polar opposite at them. Challenge them. How do they deal?
Lolda never writes villains challenging Condom-Boy's gang properly. He shoves down everyone's throats that their beliefs are absolute truths that no one should question.
16.What are the stakes? Give us reason to root for the character. What happen if they don't succeed? Stack the odds against.
Lolda doesn't know how to make someone root for a character. The biggest example is how he shoved down everyone's throats that Shitty Country should be saved at any cost to the point where the effect was the opposite for me(And for many other people,i believe.). He managed to make me root for a big genocide. Shit Piece never have stakes. Condom-Boy's gang succeeds because everyone is by their side and every odds are in their favor,are there are never consequences afterwards. Their successes always came for free.
19.Coincidences to get characters into trouble are great,coincidences to get them out of it are cheating.
It means that Condom-Boy's gang always succeed due to cheating. Everyone is unrealistically always by their side and every odds are unrealistically always in their favor.
@lee33 @Gauntlet @notAfanboy @Buusatan94 @Shiroyru @ShadyOjiro @HA001 OF THE RAIN @yorosenpai
@KageFumi @ZenZu @Nidai_Kitetsu @ConquistadoR @L55 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Franosuke @Cream filled donut7 @Sir Yasheen @Gon’s Missing Arm @Kurozumi D. Trussop @wys @Butters @matt245 @Robin swan
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I got bullied harder for making this tread than I do bullying Oda's writing lol.
 
notAfanboy

notAfanboy

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#248
#248
PeperLevi said:
Nobody has the right to mock my man lee33 for this thread. This thread aged like wine. Especially after Shitty Country Arc.
My favorite movies of Pixar are: Finding Nemo,Finding Dory,Brave,Coco.
They are pleasant like Whole Caca and Shitty Country were not because they follow these rules.
Let's look at how Lolda's ignorance of these rules makes Shit Piece so shitty.
2.Keep in mind what's interesting for you as a audience,not what's fun to do as a writer. They can be very different.
What Lolda have in mind are his interests in unrealistically omnipotent protagonists,villains who just exist to be living punching bags for the heroes and stories that distort the truths about life. Any person who is truly smart and dignified are disgusted by these things.
6.What is your character good at,comfortable with? Throw the polar opposite at them. Challenge them. How do they deal?
Lolda never writes villains challenging Condom-Boy's gang properly. He shoves down everyone's throats that their beliefs are absolute truths that no one should question.
16.What are the stakes? Give us reason to root for the character. What happen if they don't succeed? Stack the odds against.
Lolda doesn't know how to make someone root for a character. The biggest example is how he shoved down everyone's throats that Shitty Country should be saved at any cost to the point where the effect was the opposite for me(And for many other people,i believe.). He managed to make me root for a big genocide. Shit Piece never have stakes. Condom-Boy's gang succeeds because everyone is by their side and every odds are in their favor,are there are never consequences afterwards. Their successes always came for free.
19.Coincidences to get characters into trouble are great,coincidences to get them out of it are cheating.
It means that Condom-Boy's gang always succeed due to cheating. Everyone is unrealistically always by their side and every odds are unrealistically always in their favor.
@lee33 @Gauntlet @notAfanboy @Buusatan94 @Shiroyru @ShadyOjiro @HA001 OF THE RAIN @yorosenpai
@KageFumi @ZenZu @Nidai_Kitetsu @ConquistadoR @L55 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Franosuke @Cream filled donut7 @Sir Yasheen @Gon’s Missing Arm @Kurozumi D. Trussop @wys @Butters @matt245 @Robin swan
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Oda shows monopolistic behavior.
I stopped talking about the bad writing, just like Drizzit (?). Fans know what's wrong, but they wont criticize Oda. I dont know why. But I think, if Japanese audience likes this, then nothing will change.
 
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Logiko

Logiko

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#249
#249
PeperLevi said:
Nobody has the right to mock my man lee33 for this thread. This thread aged like wine. Especially after Shitty Country Arc.
My favorite movies of Pixar are: Finding Nemo,Finding Dory,Brave,Coco.
They are pleasant like Whole Caca and Shitty Country were not because they follow these rules.
Let's look at how Lolda's ignorance of these rules makes Shit Piece so shitty.
2.Keep in mind what's interesting for you as a audience,not what's fun to do as a writer. They can be very different.
What Lolda have in mind are his interests in unrealistically omnipotent protagonists,villains who just exist to be living punching bags for the heroes and stories that distort the truths about life. Any person who is truly smart and dignified are disgusted by these things.
6.What is your character good at,comfortable with? Throw the polar opposite at them. Challenge them. How do they deal?
Lolda never writes villains challenging Condom-Boy's gang properly. He shoves down everyone's throats that their beliefs are absolute truths that no one should question.
16.What are the stakes? Give us reason to root for the character. What happen if they don't succeed? Stack the odds against.
Lolda doesn't know how to make someone root for a character. The biggest example is how he shoved down everyone's throats that Shitty Country should be saved at any cost to the point where the effect was the opposite for me(And for many other people,i believe.). He managed to make me root for a big genocide. Shit Piece never have stakes. Condom-Boy's gang succeeds because everyone is by their side and every odds are in their favor,are there are never consequences afterwards. Their successes always came for free.
19.Coincidences to get characters into trouble are great,coincidences to get them out of it are cheating.
It means that Condom-Boy's gang always succeed due to cheating. Everyone is unrealistically always by their side and every odds are unrealistically always in their favor.
@lee33 @Gauntlet @notAfanboy @Buusatan94 @Shiroyru @ShadyOjiro @HA001 OF THE RAIN @yorosenpai
@KageFumi @ZenZu @Nidai_Kitetsu @ConquistadoR @L55 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Franosuke @Cream filled donut7 @Sir Yasheen @Gon’s Missing Arm @Kurozumi D. Trussop @wys @Butters @matt245 @Robin swan
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Still nop. Oda respects those rule to the letter.
 
BoaHancocksHusband

BoaHancocksHusband

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#254
#254
PeperLevi said:
Stop replying me,you bozo! You are a Lolda's dump-swallower and i don't argue with the likes of you!
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Agreed
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PeperLevi said:
Nobody has the right to mock my man lee33 for this thread. This thread aged like wine. Especially after Shitty Country Arc.
My favorite movies of Pixar are: Finding Nemo,Finding Dory,Brave,Coco.
They are pleasant like Whole Caca and Shitty Country were not because they follow these rules.
Agreed

My faves:
Incredibles, Coco, Brave, AND Finding Nemo
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L o g i a

L o g i a

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#256
#256
Because Pixar is one of those weird companies with crazy values. They are not the world leading authority on good writers. What Pixar movies are actually, genuinely well written? If not zero, it's close to that number. Anyway...
  1. Does not make you a good writer, it makes you suitable for making PG and U rated movies
  2. Extremely subjective and vague
  3. Meaningless
  4. Which is 101 on how to write a childrens book, not a manga
  5. Does not make you a good writer, it makes you suitable for making PG movies
  6. First actually meaningful "rule", which Oda passes with flying colours
  7. Meaningless
  8. Not applicable since the story is still ongoing
  9. Okay and?
  10. See number 6
  11. Meaningless
  12. See number 6
  13. See number 6
  14. See number 6
  15. See number 6
  16. See number 6
  17. See number 6, Oda is the epitome of this
  18. See number 6
  19. Probably the only writing "rule" Oda falls short on. This doesn't make him a bad writer though
  20. Meaningless
  21. See number 6
  22. See number 6
 
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Sheer D. Lusion

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#258
#258
lee33 said:
Pixar has 22 rules of writing which they believe is necessary when they write their scripts and Oda breaks almost every rule lmfao:
  1. You admire a character for trying more than for their successes.
  2. Keep in mind what’s interesting to you as an audience, not what’s fun to do as a writer. They can be very different.
  3. Trying for theme is important, however you won’t see what the story is actually about until you’re at the end of that story. Now rewrite.
  4. Once upon a time there was ___. Every day, ___. One day ___. Because of that, ___. Because of that, ___. Until finally ___.
  5. Simplify. Focus. Combine characters. Hop over detours. You’ll feel like you’re losing valuable stuff but it sets you free.
  6. What is your character good at, comfortable with? Throw the polar opposite at them. Challenge them. How do they deal?
  7. Come up with your ending before you figure out your middle. Seriously. Endings are hard, get yours working up front.
  8. Finish your story, let go even if it’s not perfect. In an ideal world you have both, but move on. Do better next time.
  9. When you’re stuck, make a list of what WOULDN’T happen next. Lots of times the material to get you unstuck will show up.
  10. Pull apart the stories you like. What you like in them is a part of you; you’ve got to recognize it before you can use it.
  11. Putting it on paper lets you start fixing it. If it stays in your head, a perfect idea, you’ll never share it with anyone.
  12. Discount the 1st thing that comes to mind. And the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th – get the obvious out of the way. Surprise yourself.
  13. Give your characters opinions. Passive/malleable might seem likable to you as you write, but it’s poison to the audience.
  14. Why must you tell THIS story? What’s the belief burning within you that your story feeds off of? That’s the heart of it.
  15. If you were your character, in this situation, how would you feel? Honesty lends credibility to unbelievable situations.
  16. What are the stakes? Give us reason to root for the character. What happens if they don’t succeed? Stack the odds against.
  17. No work is ever wasted. If it’s not working, let go and move on – it’ll come back around to be useful later.
  18. You have to know yourself: the difference between doing your best & fussing. Story is testing, not refining.
  19. Coincidences to get characters into trouble are great; coincidences to get them out of it are cheating.
  20. Exercise: take the building blocks of a movie you dislike. How d’you rearrange them into what you DO like?
  21. You gotta identify with your situation/characters, can’t just write ‘cool’. What would make YOU act that way?
  22. What’s the essence of your story? Most economical telling of it? If you know that, you can build out from there.
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good rules if you are writing a 2 hour movie
but what works for a selfcontained story that you watch in one sitting is not the same the same for a story planned to take many years and is stupid to not see that
 
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