Questions & Mysteries Is advanced CoC really only no touching?

[Rootbeer]

Your entire arguments keeps consisting on ignoring manga panels I post that already established what needs to be understood and you constantly tryna fit your refutation into your own understanding only. I don't think this conversation will go any where. You're only gonna be convince in your own independent interpretation/thinking so I'll just leave it be.

Because the Panels that matter is when Luffy reveals the use of AdCoC..

So you do not agree that AdCoC + ID CoA looks is akin to a Blown Balloon, while AdCoC has the appearance of a Pushed Cushion?..

The not touching part has nothing to do with CoA Emission since it's defensive stance where as AdCoC is stricly offensive..

Haki is a mess and quite confusing. But IIRC Luffy implied that non touching CoA is superior to touching CoA.

Are you referring to Luffy busting open the tree?.. It was for his training.. The reverse, Non touching CoA is Inferior to Touching CoA..

 

[Shiroyru]

I always find myself going back to square one on this topic. Not a single person knows wtf is going on, Loda what have you done 😂

Imagine a world where Oda resigns from writing One Piece and Murata and Togashi replace him as the illustrator and writer, respectively

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Imagine a world where Oda resigns from writing One Piece and Murata and Togashi replace him as the illustrator and writer, respectively

One Piece would never be complete

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Are you referring to Luffy busting open the tree?.. It was for his training.. The reverse, Non touching CoA is Inferior to Touching CoA..

No, its in the chapter when Hyou uses AdCoA on the Armadillo, check that out

Have we seen AdCoC without CoA(black)? Did it no touch if so?

I think whats happening here is this barrier thing is inconsistent like CoO. So Oda just uses when he wants.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Because the Panels that matter is when Luffy reveals the use of AdCoC..

So you do not agree that AdCoC + ID CoA looks is akin to a Blown Balloon, while AdCoC has the appearance of a Pushed Cushion?..

The not touching part has nothing to do with CoA Emission since it's defensive stance where as AdCoC is stricly offensive..





Are you referring to Luffy busting open the tree?.. It was for his training.. The reverse, Non touching CoA is Inferior to Touching CoA..

Why do you think ignoring panels is the right way to discuss the manga?

 

[Garps tekkai]

Luffy was hurting Kaido pretty good with AdCoC when he attained it on Chapter 1010..

Yeah, never denied it. From then on he infused his ID CoA attacks with CoC afterall.

 

[Rootbeer]

Why do you think ignoring panels is the right way to discuss the manga?

Because they have no contextual or narrative importance.. The reveal of Luffy's AdCoC is what matters..

No, its in the chapter when Hyou uses AdCoA on the Armadillo, check that out

Then it's only CoA Emission level 2 no touch.. Which is inferior to Internal Destruction CoA Level 3 '' touch ''..

 

[Midnight Delight]

for example why is it that Whitebeard can clash evenly with Roger’s haki… like do Whitebeard and Roger have equal haki? But that doesn’t make sense because Whitebeard ALSO HAS the strongest paramecia fruit… Yet Roger was either equal or stronger than him… So what exactly raises Roger to Whitebeard level if their haki is equal? Is their haki not actually equal? In what way? Does Roger have higher haki reserves so he can last longer usisng AdvCoC? Does Roger have lower Haki Cooldowns than Whitebeard so he can spam those big AdvCoC attacks more than Whitebeard? Does their AdvCoA and AdvCoO come in anywhere here?

Roger likely has "God Tier" CoC techniques like The CoO cancelling thing

 

[Buggy D Clown]

No, its in the chapter when Hyou uses AdCoA on the Armadillo, check that out

I think this kinda settles it that you can flow CoC and create barriers like with CoA unless there are panels of CoA barriers without hardening/black

 

[Thaidakar]

If it's long and black and wiggling it's advCOC

Someone called me?

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Because they have no contextual or narrative importance.. The reveal of Luffy's AdCoC is what matters..

So we have learned everything we need to know about AdCoC in a single panel/page?

 

[Rootbeer]

Yeah, never denied it. From then on he infused his ID CoA attacks with CoC afterall.

But he did not use ID CoA when he unlocked AdCoC on chapter 1010 and 1011..

 

[HA001]

I think this kinda settles it that you can flow CoC and create barriers like with CoA unless there are panels of CoA barriers without hardening/black

 

[Philosoraptor]

Because the Panels that matter is when Luffy reveals the use of AdCoC..

Exactly. Luffy went from shallow ID to non shallow ID. Everything else you said is going outside of that narrative.

So you do not agree that AdCoC + ID CoA looks is akin to a Blown Balloon

If by "blown balloon"= [this] then sure?

while AdCoC has the appearance of a Pushed Cushion?..

Not every AdCoC has that appearance so no, I reject your idea/understanding on what signifies AdCoC.

The not touching part has nothing to do with CoA Emission since it's defensive stance where as AdCoC is stricly offensive..

Again your own individual terminology leads to that conclusion. So you're in your own plane tryna make sense of things.

AdCoC means the ability to powers ones attack with their CoC. That could be any attack to any variant.

 

[ZenZu]

How I interpret this is....hardening + barrier is the visual indicator for ID + CoC.

When you don't see hardening hardening around Luffy's limbs, he is simply using the barrier.



If you follow that panel, Luffy is only defending (aka he only needs to use the barrier not ID) from Kaidou's attack, Kaidou is being stopped by Luffy's barrier, Kaidou is not using one himself.

When Luffy follows up with an attack you see his hands are coated, which may imply ID is being used along with CoC. Barrier is mostly useful for defending anyway. In many cases you are stunting your attack by using a barrier, only ID is a true enhancement offensively for brawlers.

 

[Rootbeer]

So we have learned everything we need to know about AdCoC in a single panel/page?

Well there may be other AdCoC applications but the bulk of it was demonstrated in Chapter 1010, 1011 and 966 the Whitebeard vs Roger Clash.. You don't really need more than this.. Shanks Kamusari that one shotted Kidd was AdCoC not touching too..

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Back to square one

 

[HA001]

Back to square one

Oda a bum.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Well there may be other AdCoC applications but the bulk of it was demonstrated in Chapter 1010, 1011 and 966 the Whitebeard vs Roger Clash.. You don't really need more than this.. Shanks Kamusari that one shotted Kidd was AdCoC not touching too..

No you don't want more than this, you are just cherry picking what ever suits your headcanon

 

[MonsterKaido]

So you are saying BM has level 3 coa but Kaido who is superior in every way doesn't? Nah