Break Week Are you disappointed with the admirals?
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Hmm
Btw i'm not only talking about strength but the characters overall/various aspects
Kuzan: fulfill his hype by freezing the seas, freezing the tsunami, freezing BB's crews etc
Kizaru: lightspeed, casually destroying Supernovas, success in trolling etc
Akainu: the most relentless and savage personality, outright taunting THEN killing everyone's fave Ace and still didnt feel enough, etc
Fujitora: Zatoichi, gravity and meteor, calm and collected but still really strong however humble he is, selfless, righteous, complex personality etc
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BM: literally has the Soul DF but failed to manipulate, overwhelm or take anyone's souls or life, basically nerfed in powerscaling and humiliated in character too much
Kaidou: introduced as WSC but screamed so easily and so many times due to anyone's attack since the start of Onigashima even, won against the only relevant character he fought against...due to secondary factor of hostage, lack of character depth like Akainu or Kuzan or Fujitora
BB: Good but just whines and chickens out too much, just the opposite of the ultimate being he self-proclaimed to be at Marineford.
Shanks: Still good now but i'm scared Oda will just find a way to humiliate him.
Btw i'm not only talking about strength but the characters overall/various aspects
Kuzan: fulfill his hype by freezing the seas, freezing the tsunami, freezing BB's crews etc
Kizaru: lightspeed, casually destroying Supernovas, success in trolling etc
Akainu: the most relentless and savage personality, outright taunting THEN killing everyone's fave Ace and still didnt feel enough, etc
Fujitora: Zatoichi, gravity and meteor, calm and collected but still really strong however humble he is, selfless, righteous, complex personality etc
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BM: literally has the Soul DF but failed to manipulate, overwhelm or take anyone's souls or life, basically nerfed in powerscaling and humiliated in character too much
Kaidou: introduced as WSC but screamed so easily and so many times due to anyone's attack since the start of Onigashima even, won against the only relevant character he fought against...due to secondary factor of hostage, lack of character depth like Akainu or Kuzan or Fujitora
BB: Good but just whines and chickens out too much, just the opposite of the ultimate being he self-proclaimed to be at Marineford.
Shanks: Still good now but i'm scared Oda will just find a way to humiliate him.
Kaido lifts an island.
BB with shima yurashi has biggest aoe
Shanks made GB his bitch
You talking about pre skip characters in SH's lol. They are fodder anyways.
GB screamed like a bitch from momo's baby bolo breath
Fuji's attack was tanked by base dressrossa tired Luffy
BM immediately grabbed marco where Kizaru got kicked by him
Hard disagree. I have way more examples. Writing in short because I have to outside.
BB with shima yurashi has biggest aoe
Shanks made GB his bitch
You talking about pre skip characters in SH's lol. They are fodder anyways.
GB screamed like a bitch from momo's baby bolo breath
Fuji's attack was tanked by base dressrossa tired Luffy
BM immediately grabbed marco where Kizaru got kicked by him
Hard disagree. I have way more examples. Writing in short because I have to outside.
No i mean even with good feats like lifting an island, Kaidou screaming in pain by Supernova's attacks since Rooftop started still is disappointment for me lol, i initially thought Kaidou after taking CoC Asura or Kidd's Punk Gibson or even Akainu's Meteor Volcano etc etc is just gonna be like
so much that even having a chance against him just seem impossible...yea maybe i just had too much hope for him since his introduction
so much that even having a chance against him just seem impossible...yea maybe i just had too much hope for him since his introduction
Exaggerations won’t help you. We see the likes of Kiku get stabbed through and she didn’t die. Why would WB who is well beyond her in almost every aspect then die?
1 stab doesn’t change his attack power or abilities either.
Everybody in the world was put below WB. That doesn’t mean they were “way” below like you claimed, and the story never uses such terminology. You haven’t provided a single example of how WB was “way above” either. Again, he doesn’t even damage any Admiral until he attacks one from behind.
Shanks only did 1 thing in the war, and that was stop an attack from an injured Akainu…so how does that translate to him being the strongest?
Did you think that the other Admirals like Aokiji couldn’t do the same? Because it seems you are praising Shanks for something even Marco could do (and did).
The same goes for BB who fled when Akainu was coming after him. How does that “portrayal” elevate BB?
Again, you were the one that mentioned Rayleigh fighting Kizaru…yet an even older Rayleigh made BB leave Amazon Lily just by showing up and insulting him. If that is the criteria, then Kizaru is above BB by portrayal, no?
What is “time to go home” mode? Is it when Akainu insulted Shanks for interfering, and then his peers attacked Law’s submarine in front of Shanks’ face anyway? We know Marines can’t attack a Yonko without permission, so why were you expecting otherwise?
Did you think that an injured Akainu should have expected to defeat a fresh Shanks? That would mean he thought more highly of himself than Kaido who got turned away.
It seems your standards for the Yonko are much lower than that for the Admirals, because it’s ok for a fresh Yonko to decline against Shanks, but an injured Admiral shouldn’t do so for some reason…
So all you have shown is some pretty ridiculous bias. BB who by your very own logic has shown lesser “portrayal” than some Admirals is exceptional…but the Admirals are not in that category?
But the likes of Im who hasn’t shown a single direct thing is at the top of the verse just because of the hierarchy?
Do you believe that Charloss is stronger than Rob Lucci? That logic doesn’t make sense otherwise.
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Kinyagi has already addressed your double standards in his replies, but I’m just curious if you are intentionally pretending to believe that Marco is equivalent to the Admirals or if you truly believe it.
I get trolling, picking favourites or hating characters for whatever reason, but you’d basically be asking to not be taken seriously if there’s no consistency, or rhyme or reason to your comments.
1 stab doesn’t change his attack power or abilities either.
Everybody in the world was put below WB. That doesn’t mean they were “way” below like you claimed, and the story never uses such terminology. You haven’t provided a single example of how WB was “way above” either. Again, he doesn’t even damage any Admiral until he attacks one from behind.
Shanks only did 1 thing in the war, and that was stop an attack from an injured Akainu…so how does that translate to him being the strongest?
Did you think that the other Admirals like Aokiji couldn’t do the same? Because it seems you are praising Shanks for something even Marco could do (and did).
The same goes for BB who fled when Akainu was coming after him. How does that “portrayal” elevate BB?
Again, you were the one that mentioned Rayleigh fighting Kizaru…yet an even older Rayleigh made BB leave Amazon Lily just by showing up and insulting him. If that is the criteria, then Kizaru is above BB by portrayal, no?
What is “time to go home” mode? Is it when Akainu insulted Shanks for interfering, and then his peers attacked Law’s submarine in front of Shanks’ face anyway? We know Marines can’t attack a Yonko without permission, so why were you expecting otherwise?
Did you think that an injured Akainu should have expected to defeat a fresh Shanks? That would mean he thought more highly of himself than Kaido who got turned away.
It seems your standards for the Yonko are much lower than that for the Admirals, because it’s ok for a fresh Yonko to decline against Shanks, but an injured Admiral shouldn’t do so for some reason…
So all you have shown is some pretty ridiculous bias. BB who by your very own logic has shown lesser “portrayal” than some Admirals is exceptional…but the Admirals are not in that category?
But the likes of Im who hasn’t shown a single direct thing is at the top of the verse just because of the hierarchy?
Do you believe that Charloss is stronger than Rob Lucci? That logic doesn’t make sense otherwise.
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Kinyagi has already addressed your double standards in his replies, but I’m just curious if you are intentionally pretending to believe that Marco is equivalent to the Admirals or if you truly believe it.
I get trolling, picking favourites or hating characters for whatever reason, but you’d basically be asking to not be taken seriously if there’s no consistency, or rhyme or reason to your comments.
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Don't get upset. This is just my opinion about powerlevels in a manga. Anyway Oda clearly put WB above everybody else, like you said, in Marineford war. He was indeed labeled as the world strongest man, closest to the One piece, could destroy the world and so on. It is not disrespectful for the admirals to have a bad portryal against him, hell Akainu being the one who fought hin the most in Marineford is Akainu best feat most likely. Still he wasn't up at this level when an almost dead WB 2 shotted him, then either he was unconscious or decided to wait until WB was dead before coming back but that is it. And it is not a bad portryal in general because, again, very very few would have done better than him in his place.
Shanks has everything, Oda introduced him in freaking chapter 1 as the role model of the MC, now him wifi diffing admirals, making a fool of Kidd, sending the whole of Marineford home is just in line with his portryal. He is clearly the Roger of the mid gen. He concluded Marineford which is the milestone in the middle of the manga (divided the pre time skip and the post time skip). And again it is not Akainu fault to be unable to do anything to him. In the whole Marineford Oda only cared to make Mihawk leave of his own accord before Shanks threatened everybody and so Akainu shares that with every other admiral and shiki (not named Mihawk). And of course he is most likely stronger than all these shikis (again minus Mihawk).
But Shanks is not the main character and is probably bounded to be defeated by somebody before the end, the final villain would be the perfect choice and so we have BB who also has beef with Shanks and is compared to him (see Shanks vs Kidd and BB vs Law). BB is not shiny and almost "perfect" like Shanks, he is some kind of opposite to Shanks, true opposite of Luffy (his intro with Luffy in the bar is crystal clear about this), he is the successor of Xebec and most importantly is associated constantly with the moon while Luffy is the sun god Nika. You see? Admirals don't come even close to enter in this kind of discussion. Akainu killed Ace, sure, but can that even remotely validate him as a final villain candidate compared to this? Nope, bar one panel in Fishman island Oda never ever mentioned or tried to build an Akainu/Luffy rivalry, unlike with Luffy and BB.
Who has some kind of portryal that can somewhat clash with BB's? There is only Im and still seems somewhat weak if he/she hasn't something which is even above the sun and moon god stuff. That could be some kind of Kaguya vs Naruto and Sasuke but it would be weird as hell to have BB and Luffy fight IM (still there is a chance since he/she hates both like seen when the bounties posters were sliced). We have to wait for that, what would be weird is for Oda to add the true final villain close to the end when it is decades he is building BB for that. We know that BB just like Shanks was in the original One piece project and not added later when Oda decided to make the manga longer, way longer, because it sold like hot cakes.
And now about the admirals.. they are important but they are not that important. You can not put them at the same stage as Shanks, BB or Im. They have another role, clearly.
Then now we can discuss about feats, sweating, postponements and so on but the route is already set. Look at how GB was just used as an hypetool for Shanks despite that being his grand introduction after years of waiting, and it will only get worse. BB had bad portrayals with a lot of people, sure, even I expected something better when he met Rayleigh but one of the points of BB is that that he is always growing just like Luffy, sooner or later he will get his 3rd devil fruit and awaken the yami, most likely, to become the moon god or something like that. What is the future of the admirals? Will they get stronger? Has Oda even ever given the slightest hint of that? And why is BB the only one beside Luffy who actually always get stronger, we see him and his crew live (just like the SHs) and improve his status? (not counting people like Coby, who is young and future navy fleet commander so it is perfectly fine, or even worse Croco who get power ups time to time, without an explanation, just to stay relevant to the current power levels).
Shanks has everything, Oda introduced him in freaking chapter 1 as the role model of the MC, now him wifi diffing admirals, making a fool of Kidd, sending the whole of Marineford home is just in line with his portryal. He is clearly the Roger of the mid gen. He concluded Marineford which is the milestone in the middle of the manga (divided the pre time skip and the post time skip). And again it is not Akainu fault to be unable to do anything to him. In the whole Marineford Oda only cared to make Mihawk leave of his own accord before Shanks threatened everybody and so Akainu shares that with every other admiral and shiki (not named Mihawk). And of course he is most likely stronger than all these shikis (again minus Mihawk).
But Shanks is not the main character and is probably bounded to be defeated by somebody before the end, the final villain would be the perfect choice and so we have BB who also has beef with Shanks and is compared to him (see Shanks vs Kidd and BB vs Law). BB is not shiny and almost "perfect" like Shanks, he is some kind of opposite to Shanks, true opposite of Luffy (his intro with Luffy in the bar is crystal clear about this), he is the successor of Xebec and most importantly is associated constantly with the moon while Luffy is the sun god Nika. You see? Admirals don't come even close to enter in this kind of discussion. Akainu killed Ace, sure, but can that even remotely validate him as a final villain candidate compared to this? Nope, bar one panel in Fishman island Oda never ever mentioned or tried to build an Akainu/Luffy rivalry, unlike with Luffy and BB.
Who has some kind of portryal that can somewhat clash with BB's? There is only Im and still seems somewhat weak if he/she hasn't something which is even above the sun and moon god stuff. That could be some kind of Kaguya vs Naruto and Sasuke but it would be weird as hell to have BB and Luffy fight IM (still there is a chance since he/she hates both like seen when the bounties posters were sliced). We have to wait for that, what would be weird is for Oda to add the true final villain close to the end when it is decades he is building BB for that. We know that BB just like Shanks was in the original One piece project and not added later when Oda decided to make the manga longer, way longer, because it sold like hot cakes.
And now about the admirals.. they are important but they are not that important. You can not put them at the same stage as Shanks, BB or Im. They have another role, clearly.
Then now we can discuss about feats, sweating, postponements and so on but the route is already set. Look at how GB was just used as an hypetool for Shanks despite that being his grand introduction after years of waiting, and it will only get worse. BB had bad portrayals with a lot of people, sure, even I expected something better when he met Rayleigh but one of the points of BB is that that he is always growing just like Luffy, sooner or later he will get his 3rd devil fruit and awaken the yami, most likely, to become the moon god or something like that. What is the future of the admirals? Will they get stronger? Has Oda even ever given the slightest hint of that? And why is BB the only one beside Luffy who actually always get stronger, we see him and his crew live (just like the SHs) and improve his status? (not counting people like Coby, who is young and future navy fleet commander so it is perfectly fine, or even worse Croco who get power ups time to time, without an explanation, just to stay relevant to the current power levels).
yes
in many ways we are late into the story and they get thrown a bone that gets taken away instantly
GB washes king and queen -- nice we settle an age old argument there
in the same token
can you defend gb from backing away from the war with red hair pirates? yes completely legitimate
can you defend him getting paralyzed a mile away from an outburst of haki? not so much
can you defend aokiji working as a bb ally to reach his own goals ? absolutely
him becoming a commander and his surbodinate?
Not really.
one would argue mihawk has a similar predicament but its completely treated as a gag and as the "subordinate" he is assigned a higher bounty than some of the yonkos themselves.
you look at the yonko and you begin to realize most of them are not and will not be put in these positions.
in many ways we are late into the story and they get thrown a bone that gets taken away instantly
GB washes king and queen -- nice we settle an age old argument there
in the same token
can you defend gb from backing away from the war with red hair pirates? yes completely legitimate
can you defend him getting paralyzed a mile away from an outburst of haki? not so much
can you defend aokiji working as a bb ally to reach his own goals ? absolutely
him becoming a commander and his surbodinate?
Not really.
one would argue mihawk has a similar predicament but its completely treated as a gag and as the "subordinate" he is assigned a higher bounty than some of the yonkos themselves.
you look at the yonko and you begin to realize most of them are not and will not be put in these positions.
You keep on skipping ahead and making statements without backing them up.
How exactly did the Admirals have “bad portrayal” with WB? As I already said, they had the upper hand in every encounter until the one where WB attacked one from behind.
Couldn’t help but notice that you conveniently left out that little tidbit when talking about Akainu & WB. Surely you didn’t forget it a second time because I mentioned it in my previous comment. So why choose to ignore it? Because that just indicates that you don’t care about the details and have just concluded that the Admirals must have “bad portrayal” no matter what and work backwards towards that.
So using your own criteria: if Akainu were the one hitting WB from behind with a direct hit to the head, what would happen? Doesn’t your criteria imply that Akainu is even better seeing as he would do far worse to WB if that instant were reversed?
And who do you imagine would have supposedly done better in Akainu’s position?
Quite noticeable how you switch to abstract things for Shanks. So what happens if one were to do the same for Akainu? Out of all the characters, he’s the one that killed the MC’s brother right in front of him, and scarred the MC right in the middle of the chest, changing his base design. He’s the leader of the top organization on the seas, and the only one to beat one of the opponents the MC considers to gatekeeper the role of Pirate King. So why it is that you could easily call up things in Shanks favour but somehow forgot similar for Akainu?
Also, how does Sengoku ending the war because of his respect for Shanks have any bearing on individual strength? Especially considering that Shanks had his crew with him? If someone like Garp who didn’t feel the same way as Sengoku were Fleet Admiral and refused to listen and continued the war, would that make Shanks any weaker or stronger?
I’m not sure why you went on such a long tangent about “importance” either. The topic was about the strength of characters and their exceptionality, and nothing stops a less important character from being stronger than more important ones. Buggy has outlived 2 Yonko in Big Mom & Kaido and is now one of the finalists for the One Piece, but I doubt you would claim he’s stronger than either.
Your comments about BB are also appealing to the end of the story, yet you already considered him above the Admirals in Marineford which doesn’t make sense. You can’t really defend a past position with things that haven’t even happened yet.
None of any of that explains why you somehow exclude the Admirals from the category of exceptional individuals while placing the likes of Blackbeard in Marineford or Shanks. The fact that you ignore the context of fights, mention things better than what Blackbeard has done, and ignore their roles in the narrative imply it’s just plain old bias…but surely there must be more to it than that, right?
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It is when the same data books you are appealing to have Vista equal to or superior to Mihawk.
it’s double standards to then accept such a statement for Marco but not for Vista.
That’s all disregarding the fact that Oda never said any such thing and the manga shows the opposite.
It really does raise the question why you wouldn’t apply such rudimentary reasoning when it comes to the Admirals alone. Whether you like or dislike characters should have no bearing on acknowledging their strength.
How exactly did the Admirals have “bad portrayal” with WB? As I already said, they had the upper hand in every encounter until the one where WB attacked one from behind.
Couldn’t help but notice that you conveniently left out that little tidbit when talking about Akainu & WB. Surely you didn’t forget it a second time because I mentioned it in my previous comment. So why choose to ignore it? Because that just indicates that you don’t care about the details and have just concluded that the Admirals must have “bad portrayal” no matter what and work backwards towards that.
So using your own criteria: if Akainu were the one hitting WB from behind with a direct hit to the head, what would happen? Doesn’t your criteria imply that Akainu is even better seeing as he would do far worse to WB if that instant were reversed?
And who do you imagine would have supposedly done better in Akainu’s position?
Quite noticeable how you switch to abstract things for Shanks. So what happens if one were to do the same for Akainu? Out of all the characters, he’s the one that killed the MC’s brother right in front of him, and scarred the MC right in the middle of the chest, changing his base design. He’s the leader of the top organization on the seas, and the only one to beat one of the opponents the MC considers to gatekeeper the role of Pirate King. So why it is that you could easily call up things in Shanks favour but somehow forgot similar for Akainu?
Also, how does Sengoku ending the war because of his respect for Shanks have any bearing on individual strength? Especially considering that Shanks had his crew with him? If someone like Garp who didn’t feel the same way as Sengoku were Fleet Admiral and refused to listen and continued the war, would that make Shanks any weaker or stronger?
I’m not sure why you went on such a long tangent about “importance” either. The topic was about the strength of characters and their exceptionality, and nothing stops a less important character from being stronger than more important ones. Buggy has outlived 2 Yonko in Big Mom & Kaido and is now one of the finalists for the One Piece, but I doubt you would claim he’s stronger than either.
Your comments about BB are also appealing to the end of the story, yet you already considered him above the Admirals in Marineford which doesn’t make sense. You can’t really defend a past position with things that haven’t even happened yet.
None of any of that explains why you somehow exclude the Admirals from the category of exceptional individuals while placing the likes of Blackbeard in Marineford or Shanks. The fact that you ignore the context of fights, mention things better than what Blackbeard has done, and ignore their roles in the narrative imply it’s just plain old bias…but surely there must be more to it than that, right?
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It is when the same data books you are appealing to have Vista equal to or superior to Mihawk.
it’s double standards to then accept such a statement for Marco but not for Vista.
That’s all disregarding the fact that Oda never said any such thing and the manga shows the opposite.
It really does raise the question why you wouldn’t apply such rudimentary reasoning when it comes to the Admirals alone. Whether you like or dislike characters should have no bearing on acknowledging their strength.
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The old admirals never gave me reason to be disappointed. They have gravitas and can hold their own even now. Their feats in Marineford still hold.
The new generals aren't that. They are a disappointment compared to the old ones. Doffly was treated like a bitch by aokiji, Doffly treated fujitora like a bitch. Kizaru was ready to face kaido and BM together, no issues or hesitation.Greenbull? Stated that he would never dare to face kaido.
They are portrayed as lesser. They don't bring the same fear.
The new generals aren't that. They are a disappointment compared to the old ones. Doffly was treated like a bitch by aokiji, Doffly treated fujitora like a bitch. Kizaru was ready to face kaido and BM together, no issues or hesitation.Greenbull? Stated that he would never dare to face kaido.
They are portrayed as lesser. They don't bring the same fear.
No, especially if you have followed OP from long time ago, like at least 10 or 15 years.
Actually, it is quite the opposite.
I once place Admiral at the upper end of YC1 based on MF feats at that time.
Could be stronger than YC1 but definitely below Yonkou.
Sick, stabbed, heart attack, soon to die WB give the vibe that he could finish Akainu right there if he was healthy, un-wounded, and at his peak age.
Plus we saw Kizaru was stalled by old rusty Rayleigh that even hasn't use sword for a very long long time to the point that he is very mad, frustrated, and have to vent his rage to another pirates at Sabaody.
We already know how chill Kizaru is and knowing that he respond to that degree really portrayed how frustrated he is.
Yeah, Prime Rayleigh definitely stronger than YC1, but old rusty inactive Rayleigh that spend 20 years drinking and gambling could stall Marine Admiral at their prime age give a glimpse about their power level.
At that time, some even believe that if it was Akainu + Marco vs Aokiji + Kizaru, there could be a draw which indicate that Admiral are not that far from YC1 level.
It is Fleet Admiral that was comparable to Yonko.
More than 10 years has passed since then.
Current storyline put Admiral as a more dangerous threat than YC1.
Whether they are as strong (or even stronger than) Yonkou is a matter of debate that haven't reach it's conclusion.
But at very least, Admiral was placed at the higher degree in powerlevel discussion compared with it was like... 10 years ago or so
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Im not generalizing it, but if you follow OP from 2015 or around the time Naruto reach its end, you may tend to get the glimpse that Admiral might be comparable to Yonko.
But if you follow OP from an earlier time, you might place Fleet Admiral at that time (Sengoku The Buddha) more or less comparable to Yonkou while the subordinates (Admiral) might be comparable to some of strongest YC if not slightly stronger but still below their leader (FA).
Actually, it is quite the opposite.
I once place Admiral at the upper end of YC1 based on MF feats at that time.
Could be stronger than YC1 but definitely below Yonkou.
Sick, stabbed, heart attack, soon to die WB give the vibe that he could finish Akainu right there if he was healthy, un-wounded, and at his peak age.
Plus we saw Kizaru was stalled by old rusty Rayleigh that even hasn't use sword for a very long long time to the point that he is very mad, frustrated, and have to vent his rage to another pirates at Sabaody.
We already know how chill Kizaru is and knowing that he respond to that degree really portrayed how frustrated he is.
Yeah, Prime Rayleigh definitely stronger than YC1, but old rusty inactive Rayleigh that spend 20 years drinking and gambling could stall Marine Admiral at their prime age give a glimpse about their power level.
At that time, some even believe that if it was Akainu + Marco vs Aokiji + Kizaru, there could be a draw which indicate that Admiral are not that far from YC1 level.
It is Fleet Admiral that was comparable to Yonko.
More than 10 years has passed since then.
Current storyline put Admiral as a more dangerous threat than YC1.
Whether they are as strong (or even stronger than) Yonkou is a matter of debate that haven't reach it's conclusion.
But at very least, Admiral was placed at the higher degree in powerlevel discussion compared with it was like... 10 years ago or so
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Im not generalizing it, but if you follow OP from 2015 or around the time Naruto reach its end, you may tend to get the glimpse that Admiral might be comparable to Yonko.
But if you follow OP from an earlier time, you might place Fleet Admiral at that time (Sengoku The Buddha) more or less comparable to Yonkou while the subordinates (Admiral) might be comparable to some of strongest YC if not slightly stronger but still below their leader (FA).
Nope, WB to start with shouldn't even been able to step on the battlefield, everybody else would have fainted at least uet he still fought with everybody and went past everybody until at the end died. While the admirals were fresh from the start. Try to switch their condition and see what happens. And Akainu was 2 shotted by deathbeard.
Sure, they had a bad portryal compared to WB, it could not be any other way, but at the same time they also did very well compared to other people. Akainu fight with WB for sure looked way better than what BB managed to with WB. BB even had to implore after sucker punching him at the end, after Akainu and a lot of other people already had a toll on him, while Akainu was not so miserable with a WB in better condition than the one who fought BB, I can for sure give this. But both were clearly inferior to WB.
Akainu was surprised by a 6-7 meters dying old man the whole battlefield was terrified by? He did very well with Ace, was carried away by fighting weak (compared to him) WB yonko commanders and didn't pay attention to the main threat, WB. If you want to reverse something then reverse WB and Akainu health like I said before.
That is his main feat for portryal (kill Ace and scar Luffy) but it can not be compared to BB and Im, even nore when Oda never cared to actually build up some sort of rivalry between them in 10 and more years (aside from one panel in Fishman island).
Actually he is the subordinate of the subordinates of the big boss, if he does some sort of big mistake like Sengoku before him (Impel down breached and Marineford war to a degree probably) he will just be replaced with somebody else and sen to retirement or something along these lines (again, see Sengoku). Also who are you talking about when you are saying he beat somebody the MC considers the gatekeeper to the role of pirate king? If you are talking about WB again he can only get a part of that merit and he worked on an already almost dead WB, Sguardo can arguably be said to have simil merit to him, also the finishing blow was done by BB and his crew. So Akainu for sure can not be labeled as the one who killed WB.
I guess it is because Shanks feats are better, and Akainu is also part of them.
Was it due to respect for Shanks? I always thought it was because he didn't want to turn a victory in a blood bath when a young and fresh yonko show up and the navy was exhausted by beating the WB pirates. So the "Shanks and his crew" argument is used even after what he did to Kidd? Did also his crew give him haki to electrocute Greenbull from at least a few dozens kilometers away? Garp would have done the same otherwise Shanks would have most likely slaughtered the tired and injured navy force. Let's be honest, Akainu was speed blitzed, Greenbull had to flee even if Shanks was in almost another country and there are still the feats with Kidd and even worse the ones of film Red (they are not canon but still are in line with what was shown in the manga so far). Then to be fair, for sure Shanks would have had to sacrifice a lot in order to win but that is it. If Garp started to actually help for real or the gorosei (if they are fighters for real), Kong or some other hidden force of the WG come out to help then the story could be different.
Buggy is the mr. Satan /King etc. One piece, of course he is a very special case. It can be argued if BB was above the admirals at Marineford but the point is that BB is always growing and by EoS he will reach and surpass Shanks to the point only EoS Luffy can beat him (if Im actually isn't the final villain but I doubt it). Again, admirals have very weak portryal compared to Shanks and BB, even compared to Kaido and BM actually because they are almost put to the side compared to pirates. Portryal is important no matter what.
I have said what I had to said, then of corse you are free to disagree, for me at least their level of importance is something very clear (at least people like Shanks and BB compared to the admirals), but of course I could simply be wrong and you be right in the end, afterall neither you or me are in Oda's mind. So if you think otherwise then simply good for you.
In a way it is even very interesting how you and people who think in the same way (let's say admiral fans) arrived at a conclusion which is the opposite of what I believe to be 99% right (and with me a lot of other people). So let's just agree to disagree, I think it is pointless to start to write walls of text at eachother when in the end nobody will move a centimeter from his original position XD
Sure, they had a bad portryal compared to WB, it could not be any other way, but at the same time they also did very well compared to other people. Akainu fight with WB for sure looked way better than what BB managed to with WB. BB even had to implore after sucker punching him at the end, after Akainu and a lot of other people already had a toll on him, while Akainu was not so miserable with a WB in better condition than the one who fought BB, I can for sure give this. But both were clearly inferior to WB.
Akainu was surprised by a 6-7 meters dying old man the whole battlefield was terrified by? He did very well with Ace, was carried away by fighting weak (compared to him) WB yonko commanders and didn't pay attention to the main threat, WB. If you want to reverse something then reverse WB and Akainu health like I said before.
That is his main feat for portryal (kill Ace and scar Luffy) but it can not be compared to BB and Im, even nore when Oda never cared to actually build up some sort of rivalry between them in 10 and more years (aside from one panel in Fishman island).
Actually he is the subordinate of the subordinates of the big boss, if he does some sort of big mistake like Sengoku before him (Impel down breached and Marineford war to a degree probably) he will just be replaced with somebody else and sen to retirement or something along these lines (again, see Sengoku). Also who are you talking about when you are saying he beat somebody the MC considers the gatekeeper to the role of pirate king? If you are talking about WB again he can only get a part of that merit and he worked on an already almost dead WB, Sguardo can arguably be said to have simil merit to him, also the finishing blow was done by BB and his crew. So Akainu for sure can not be labeled as the one who killed WB.
I guess it is because Shanks feats are better, and Akainu is also part of them.
Was it due to respect for Shanks? I always thought it was because he didn't want to turn a victory in a blood bath when a young and fresh yonko show up and the navy was exhausted by beating the WB pirates. So the "Shanks and his crew" argument is used even after what he did to Kidd? Did also his crew give him haki to electrocute Greenbull from at least a few dozens kilometers away? Garp would have done the same otherwise Shanks would have most likely slaughtered the tired and injured navy force. Let's be honest, Akainu was speed blitzed, Greenbull had to flee even if Shanks was in almost another country and there are still the feats with Kidd and even worse the ones of film Red (they are not canon but still are in line with what was shown in the manga so far). Then to be fair, for sure Shanks would have had to sacrifice a lot in order to win but that is it. If Garp started to actually help for real or the gorosei (if they are fighters for real), Kong or some other hidden force of the WG come out to help then the story could be different.
Buggy is the mr. Satan /King etc. One piece, of course he is a very special case. It can be argued if BB was above the admirals at Marineford but the point is that BB is always growing and by EoS he will reach and surpass Shanks to the point only EoS Luffy can beat him (if Im actually isn't the final villain but I doubt it). Again, admirals have very weak portryal compared to Shanks and BB, even compared to Kaido and BM actually because they are almost put to the side compared to pirates. Portryal is important no matter what.
I have said what I had to said, then of corse you are free to disagree, for me at least their level of importance is something very clear (at least people like Shanks and BB compared to the admirals), but of course I could simply be wrong and you be right in the end, afterall neither you or me are in Oda's mind. So if you think otherwise then simply good for you.
In a way it is even very interesting how you and people who think in the same way (let's say admiral fans) arrived at a conclusion which is the opposite of what I believe to be 99% right (and with me a lot of other people). So let's just agree to disagree, I think it is pointless to start to write walls of text at eachother when in the end nobody will move a centimeter from his original position XD
