Character Discussion Trafalgar Law and Eustass Kid will both come back stronger in the story

Do you genuinely believe that Kid and Law are done being relevant?


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#61
They haven't mastered their awakenings but use them from the get go?
Kidd and Law are stuck with the same moves they used in Wano because they peaked, the new moves could be part of their regular moveset but they aren't.
Punk dammed and shock/Puncture wille is the peak of their devil fruits.
Law used his awakening from the get go because they HAD to. The more they use it the better they will get at using it with almost no drawbacks and get stronger by extend thats just how powerups works and i shouldnt have to tell you this. Just like how g2 and g3 was dangerous for luffy to spam pre ts and now he can do that at will. same for luffy's gear 5 you cannot tell me that he mastered it when he turns into a grandpa after using it and according to your ss does that mean that luffy has reached his peak meaning he is done getting stronger with his devil fruit? Lol and Damned Punk is not even an awakening move what are you talking about?
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That’s just agendas and fan favoritism.

Any critical reading of the text shows that Kid was the driving force of the BM fight.
  1. Kid was the reason BM left the rooftop and began the BM fight in 1013.
  2. Kid and Law only began to make ground after Kid was un-nerfed via Hawkins defeat
  3. Kid played the ultimate role of pushing BM off Onigashima
Law’s DF is more dangerous, but Kid objectively played a more critical role in the fight.

The fight literally started and ended with him.
I don't see why its so hard for people to admit it. People are too biased its as clear as day that Kid and Law are portrayed to be equals through their fight agaisnt big mom they both did half of the job. Haters managed to convinced themselves otherwise
 
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#69
"Kid had nothing except big mom" aka he had nothing except the 2nd hardest fight in the arc? why you downplaying that lol
Kid and Law defeated a yonko in wano. No matter how much you try to downplay it that IS impressive, much more impressive than defeating a commander that is just simply facts. He then proceeded to get negged by shanks but oda had him emphasized that he is not weak and should not be underestimating, keep that in your mind so you wont be surprised when he comes back and keep getting stronger since the hints are legit in the manga
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"No big 1v1 is waiting for him nor big feats. He has none and won't get any"

Why are you exposing yourself like that lmao

look at how many competent fighters the wg has and you THINK that Kid a rising pirate will not get to fight and defeat atleast one of them in the future war? Please lol
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He didn't. That's what Oda wanna try to show. Whatever you try to make him look good, kidd got neg diffed by Shanks. Yes yes shanks took seriously, which means a serious one yonkou can one shot kidd.
Defeating someone in 1 vs 1 is definitely more impressive than defeating someone in 2, 3 or 4 vs 1.
 
#70
He didn't. That's what Oda wanna try to show. Whatever you try to make him look good, kidd got neg diffed by Shanks. Yes yes shanks took seriously, which means a serious one yonkou can one shot kidd.
Defeating someone in 1 vs 1 is definitely more impressive than defeating someone in 2, 3 or 4 vs 1.
I will repeat myself Kid and law defeating big mom is impressive even if its his only feat in the whole manga. Same for shanks taking kid seriously from the very beginning. Something that no other yonko would do. No matter how you try to downplay it is still impressive since Shanks himself doesnt. Also Idk where you got that defeating a commander 1v1 is more impressive than defeating a yonko 2v1 your fantasy is not supported by what Oda has portrayed
 
#72
They are not coming back because they did their job.
What job? the job is not finished im afraid. Luffy Zoro and sanji are not going to defeat all these people

Also We already got hints from the manga that the new era is going to be a big deal (luffy already is) and they shouldnt ne underestimated. Oda wouldnt go out of his way to portray them like them if it was only for them to be completely useless from now on and their potential irrelevant...

 
#73
Law used his awakening from the get go because they HAD to. The more they use it the better they will get at using it with almost no drawbacks and get stronger by extend thats just how powerups works and i shouldnt have to tell you this. Just like how g2 and g3 was dangerous for luffy to spam pre ts and now he can do that at will. same for luffy's gear 5 you cannot tell me that he mastered it when he turns into a grandpa after using it and according to your ss does that mean that luffy has reached his peak meaning he is done getting stronger with his devil fruit? Lol and Damned Punk is not even an awakening move what are you talking about?
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I don't see why its so hard for people to admit it. People are too biased its as clear as day that Kid and Law are portrayed to be equals through their fight agaisnt big mom they both did half of the job. Haters managed to convinced themselves otherwise
Law had a stronger DF
Kid is more skilled in combat

Ultimately neither of them KO’d BM, it was the bombs.
 
#74
They are irrelevant

They served their purpose as poneglyph delivery system
and a way for strawhats not get too famous because Zoro and Sanji could've easily beaten Big Mom themselves, but that would've made strawhats surpass Roger pirates infamy
 
#75
They are irrelevant

They served their purpose as poneglyph delivery system
and a way for strawhats not get too famous because Zoro and Sanji could've easily beaten Big Mom themselves, but that would've made strawhats surpass Roger pirates infamy

Zoro and sanji are both weaker than kid and law since they have been portrayed like that. and these 2 barely defeated big mom how on earth would Zoro and sanji have defeated big mom when it took them everything they had to defeat commanders who are much weaker than big mom? Their fight started way before zoro and sanjis and it ended after their's. Has Kid and Law's recent defeat against other yonkos completely brainwashed you?
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:luffylaugh:I stopped reading there

I bet the post is all about how they will train just like strawhats did preTS and suddenly become relevant
Since you stopped reading after the "Kid and Law are not weak" I assume that you believe otherwise right? Can you explain why you think so?
 
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#76
I earlier mentioned either the Admirals or the Gorosei, no?

And what's your Wano analysis of him? Maybe you should tell me so we can compare notes, since I already gave you mine.
Admirals are way too strong for Kidd to 1v1. Gorosei's strength is unknown but I don't think he will be involved against them.

As for Wano arc and post ts in general, to me it's clear Oda gave whatever role that Kidd was supposed to have to Law. Just look at the interactions during their fight against BM, Law is the strategist and kinda order him around. He is also a D which story wise is very relevant.
Oda gave Kidd CoC but he didn't use any type of haki during Wano and couldn't understand what Luffy was doing vs Kaido.
So I feel like he is just another SN just like Drake, Bege or Apoo.
Only Luffy, Zoro and Law are important in Oda's eyes as SN.
 
#77
Admirals are way too strong for Kidd to 1v1. Gorosei's strength is unknown but I don't think he will be involved against them.

As for Wano arc and post ts in general, to me it's clear Oda gave whatever role that Kidd was supposed to have to Law. Just look at the interactions during their fight against BM, Law is the strategist and kinda order him around. He is also a D which story wise is very relevant.
Oda gave Kidd CoC but he didn't use any type of haki during Wano and couldn't understand what Luffy was doing vs Kaido.
So I feel like he is just another SN just like Drake, Bege or Apoo.
Only Luffy, Zoro and Law are important in Oda's eyes as SN.
Whoa, hold it there. :stop:

Three things:

1. Luffy, Law, and Kidd each has "Beaten a Yonko" under their resume while Zoro obviously never will. :jordanmf:

2. So maybe let's take what Lolda did with how different Kidd's resume and Zoro's resume are at face value because, no offense, you seemed to have read too much into "Law was the strategist and Kidd showed no CoC" thingy instead of their actual accomplishments, which truly matter in OP world and not how they win their fights. :handsup:

3. Not to mention that Kidd (and Law both) faced Yonkos again this arc (regardless of their lack of success) while Zoro did fuck all against CP0 and Seraphims, so...:jay-he:

Wano established that Luffy's peers (like Law, Kidd, Sabo, etc) are >>>> Luffy's crew in terms of importance. And please don't debate this since this is obviously canon considering I don't see any of Luffy's crew having a 3 billion bounty post-Wano nor are they talked to have toppled down the previous status quo with the emperors. Their bounties are also not revealed until after Wano is offer, and that, too, without actual bounty posters (unlike what was given to Kidd). :beanmean:

Lolda also made sure that Zoro played a less important role than both Kidd and Law in every arc they appear together:

Kidd and Law played more important roles than Zoro in Sabaody (I mean, getting no diffed by Kizaru and BFRed by Kuma are not Ws, of course).

Law played a more important role than Zoro in Punk Hazard and then in Dressrosa.

Kidd and Law again played more important roles than Zoro in Wano.

Which means, in both arcs Kidd appear with Zoro, Kidd plays the far more important role.

I think it's obvious that, post-TS, Lolda treats Luffy as the show, Law as the deuteragonist, and Kidd + Momoron + Sabo sharing the (somewhat distant) tritagonist roles.

If Kidd appears together with Zoro in an arc where the Admirals go down, what reason is there to believe Zoro will play a more important role than Kidd will? Power level? Zoro would have beaten a Yonko in Wano if that were true. :denzimote:

And the Law + Kidd parallel alone should tell you why Kidd will have the Ws that Law has if they appear together.

Law and Kidd appeared together in Sabaody and they both beat a Pacifista.

Law and Kidd appeared together in Wano and they both beat a Yonko.

If they appear together in an arc where Law gets involved with an Admiral and/or a Gorosei, Kidd will be there to beat an Admiral and/or a Gorosei, too. :datas:
 
#78
Still a little bit disappointed that Luffy did the revenge on Doffy and not law
I mean what did you expect ? It's always Luffy the messiah who end up beating the Big Bad and avenging the sufferings of the victims.

I surely would have preferred for Law to be the one to beat Doflamingo and to be his own man, but I have long lost any delusion about how the story works.
 
#79
Of course they'll come back, but only as support characters.

Especially Law has an important role with his immortality surgery chekhov's gun (and he's a fan favorite, Oda knows this).

But both of them are out of the PK race.
 
#80
Of course they'll come back, but only as support characters.

Especially Law has an important role with his immortality surgery chekhov's gun (and he's a fan favorite, Oda knows this).

But both of them are out of the PK race.
Which they never really were a part of, unfortunately for them and their fanbases. The Supernovas were never intended to be real rivals or contenders for the One Piece.
 
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