Character Discussion Greatest Mihawk Cope?..

[LolonoisZolo]

So everything Mihawk does, his fans need to do mental Gymnatics to make him look good and keep the denial going..

Here's a list of it..

- Mihawk himself saying the Pirate King path is harder than Surpassing him
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk wanted to measure the true distance between him and Whitebeard
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk has yet to settle his score with Shanks
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk stalled by Vista
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk, the WSS has better Sword skills than Yonko Shanks
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk doesn't want to be a Yonko
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk himself saying the Pirate King path is harder than Surpassing him
(evidence flipped) At least provide examples
Didn't you make threads saying not to take things at face value ? But here we are...
Becoming PK requires, on top of strength, leading abilities, powerfull allies, and luck.
WSS requires strength and strength alone.

- Mihawk wanted to measure the true distance between him and Whitebeard
(evidence flipped) Examples ?
Didn't you make threads saying not to take things at face value ? But here we are...
Mihawk was clearly talking about the fact that a Yonko is very hard to even reach (which was also emphasized everytime someone talks about Yonko) and that before even reaching WB, you had to go through Marco, Jozu, Vista etc... then you have to face the WSM. A very hard task indeed especially for a single person without a crew or allies (see the answer to the first question for more details on how to become PK and by extention Yonko)

- Mihawk has yet to settle his score with Shanks
(evidence flipped) Examples ?
Blablabla facevalue...
Where does this sentence even come from ? Is it even canon that Mihawk never beat Shanks ? Isn't for Shanks to prove that he can beat the WSS and thus kept going back to fight Mihawk only to not become the WSS while Mihawk was and still is ?

- Mihawk stalled by Vista
(evidence flipped) Examples ?
Facevalued!
Mihawk was daydreaming while skirmishing with one of the big names in WB's crew, how can this be considered an L is beyond me.
When two swordsmen fight seriously, huge damage is done around them as explained by Brook in TB but somehow the WSS and a top commander in WB's crew did less collateral damage than Buggy.

- Mihawk, the WSS has better Sword skills than Yonko Shanks
(evidence flipped) Examples ?
Facevalued!
Next is ''pure swordsman'' vs ''76% mixed swordsman'' ?

- Mihawk doesn't want to be a Yonko
(evidence flipped) examples ?
Does he ? There is a panel of him saying ''meh I don't care for it'' but you have evidence that he does in fact want to ?

 

[Rootbeer]

The only person Mihawk can defeat is S-Hawk, himself..

:cheers:

Zoro became stronger over the time skip get by improving his physical strength and haki. Not by becoming better at pairing sword attacks.

The manga doesn't need to say Mihawk is stronger than Shanks when they are both swordsman and Mihawk is the WSS. His title does that for him. The winner of a race doesn't have to be told he's faster than his competition. Winner the race did that.

But thank you for proving how much of a hypocrite you are. You're saying because the manga didn't say "Mihawk is stronger than Shanks" he's not stronger. Yet, when the manga doesn't say "Mihawk is weaker then WB" you're telling us that doesn't matter and he is.

The manga also don't need to say that Mihawk has better Sword Skill than Shanks when they are both Swordsmen and one of them is the World's Best Swordsman..

Yeah because Whitebeard is not a Swordsman aiming for the WSS.. There are 2 different class of Swordsmen in case you have not noticed..

 

[Moegara]

Spot the difference with your cope.
Keep in mind it was more than a decade ago.

Spoiler

I've been in Mihawk debates for 20y.
First years was "Mihawk cant use haki", then "Mihawk cant cut diamond and Zoro will surpass him when he cuts Jozu", then "Janitor kills Mihawk", later "Mihawk cant use advcoc", "Mihawk will have 1.5B bounty" etc etc

All of these dumb arguments have been debunked and most of you guys hanging on with this swordskills thing.

People actually claimed Mihawk had no haki at all at some point? lol

The desperation...

 

[gz89]

People actually claimed Mihawk had no haki at all at some point? lol

The desperation...

There were also some idiots who genuinely believed that TB Zoro was half way to defeat Mihawk.

 

[Rootbeer]

- Mihawk himself saying the Pirate King path is harder than Surpassing him
(evidence flipped) At least provide examples
Didn't you make threads saying not to take things at face value ? But here we are...
Becoming PK requires, on top of strength, leading abilities, powerfull allies, and luck.
WSS requires strength and strength alone.

- Mihawk wanted to measure the true distance between him and Whitebeard
(evidence flipped) Examples ?
Didn't you make threads saying not to take things at face value ? But here we are...
Mihawk was clearly talking about the fact that a Yonko is very hard to even reach (which was also emphasized everytime someone talks about Yonko) and that before even reaching WB, you had to go through Marco, Jozu, Vista etc... then you have to face the WSM. A very hard task indeed especially for a single person without a crew or allies (see the answer to the first question for more details on how to become PK and by extention Yonko)

- Mihawk has yet to settle his score with Shanks
(evidence flipped) Examples ?
Blablabla facevalue...
Where does this sentence even come from ? Is it even canon that Mihawk never beat Shanks ? Isn't for Shanks to prove that he can beat the WSS and thus kept going back to fight Mihawk only to not become the WSS while Mihawk was and still is ?

- Mihawk stalled by Vista
(evidence flipped) Examples ?
Facevalued!
Mihawk was daydreaming while skirmishing with one of the big names in WB's crew, how can this be considered an L is beyond me.
When two swordsmen fight seriously, huge damage is done around them as explained by Brook in TB but somehow the WSS and a top commander in WB's crew did less collateral damage than Buggy.

- Mihawk, the WSS has better Sword skills than Yonko Shanks
(evidence flipped) Examples ?
Facevalued!
Next is ''pure swordsman'' vs ''76% mixed swordsman'' ?

- Mihawk doesn't want to be a Yonko
(evidence flipped) examples ?
Does he ? There is a panel of him saying ''meh I don't care for it'' but you have evidence that he does in fact want to ?

The problem is not, not taking them at Face value.. It's when you use that argument for every Mihawk plot point..

Odd coping pattern is forming..

 

[Moegara]

There were also some idiots who genuinely believed that TB Zoro was half way to defeat Mihawk.

 

[gz89]

Here is something even better.
Look at this gem, this guy thought TB Zoro is one battle away to defeat Mihawk, and he wasnt trolling.

Spoiler

 

[MUUGEN]

So you have nothing to countering my post or backing up your statement. Good to know.

your response is based of nothingness, there is nothing to counter there..

Has Mihawk beaten Shanks?

Will Mihawk even attempt to fight Shanks any longer?

 

[LolonoisZolo]

The problem is not, not taking them at Face value.. It's when you use that argument for every Mihawk plot point..

Odd coping pattern is forming..

You adressed 0 points congrats.
What argument are you talking about ?

 

[Rootbeer]

You adressed 0 points congrats.
What argument are you talking about ?

I addressed 0 points because you have to create convoluted explanations and dumb down Mihawk's character for you points to make sense.. And that's massive Cope..

 

[LolonoisZolo]

I addressed 0 points because you have to create convoluted explanations and dumb down Mihawk's character for you points to make sense.. And that's massive Cope..

Bad faith and inversion at its best.
Pathetic!

 

[MUUGEN]

Why slander Mihawk for clashing with Vista for a few mins when Sun God Nika did the same with Lucci?

G5 doesn't have the same power of force in bases punches as G4 does, that clash simply there to hype Lucci. He's a main beloved antagonist who wouldn't just show up and get one shot, this statement is obselete.

Vista was asked to defend Luffy by WB and went against Mihawk who further cemented his name as a big shot in the verse. The fight was postponed for later but Mihawk still hasn't fought that fight..

As i told you, he found a CoC using Swordsman, someone who Kaidou places alongside Roger/WB/Oden and someone who is stronger than King, Vista and duelled him in duels which even WB considered Legendary.

Still have yet to prove me wrong in this regard...

they're friends and he doesn't even want to fight him anymore cause he has one arm, what a lame excuse to not finish their business..

And that happened before Mihawk has even used a Named Technique.

Shanks used a Sword Technique which was very impressive and Mihawk as the WSS will 100% surpass that when he shows his.

For a prominent Haki user the Divine departure is just a casual move for him similar to Thunder Bagua. It's not their best attack nor is it anything more than a base set of their abilities. Zoro can also casually throw away mountain buster slashes now it's nothing impressive anymore & it was easi;y tanked by Jozu.

Let me test the difference between me and that man WSM with a no name no haki slash at a time when moves weren't really being spouted out did WB name any of his attacks did. The only ones who we saw used "named " attacks were the Admirals, Hancok and Luffy...

Hell Joker used Parasite but we never even heard that name of the attack until DR so your argument here falls flat on a nameless attack.

Wanna bet that Mihawk never turned Yoru black?

there's nothing to bet there is no info on whether or not he turned Yoru black or not, it's all specultion at this point one thing for certain though is Ryuma was clearly mentioned as turning Shusui black..

The manga doesn't need to say Mihawk is stronger than Shanks when they are both swordsman and Mihawk is the WSS. His title does that for him. The winner of a race doesn't have to be told he's faster than his competition. Winner the race did that.

as stated once more his title is a gimmick if he can't defeat another swordsman does the title really mean much.

From what we do know given the manga is for Zoro to be considered WSS he just simply needs to defeat the one with the title and nothing more. So all Mihawk had to do was best a swordsman that held that title and just sit alone in his castle doing nothing.

Has he defeated Shanks no he has not cause it would've explicitly been stated.

Spot the difference with your cope.
Keep in mind it was more than a decade ago.

Spoiler

I've been in Mihawk debates for 20y.
First years was "Mihawk cant use haki", then "Mihawk cant cut diamond and Zoro will surpass him when he cuts Jozu", then "Janitor kills Mihawk", later "Mihawk cant use advcoc", "Mihawk will have 1.5B bounty" etc etc

All of these dumb arguments have been debunked and most of you guys hanging on with this swordskills thing.

funny cause not a single one of these are my counter argument here...

has Mihawk defeated any known swordsman who is at least YC that we know of, no he has not?

Did he finish his postponed fight with Vista no he has not.

Has he actually defeated Shanks one or two arms no he has not.

 

[gz89]

funny cause not a single one of these are my counter argument here...

has Mihawk defeated any known swordsman who is at least YC that we know of, no he has not?

Did he finish his postponed fight with Vista no he has not.

Has he actually defeated Shanks one or two arms no he has not.

Did WB defeat anyone to become WSM ?
Did he finish his match against Roger ?
Did Kaido defeat anyone (aside from Oden's cheapshot) to become WSC ?
Did he finish his match against BM ?

You have no problem to accept them & their titles (and its right to accept it) and at the same time you nitpicking Mihawk's.

 

[Rootbeer]

Bad faith and inversion at its best.
Pathetic!

You just shouldn't be dumbing down Mihawk if you're a fan of his..

Mihawk knows he's alone and comparing himself to the relative equivalent Yonko, 1 for 1 basis..

Mihawk : What's your goal..
Luffy : Pirate King..

Mihawk : Oh Oh.. It's way harder than surpassing me, they have fleets, territory, a powerful crew, there's many of them..

Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds.. Mihawk comparing himself to all those factors when he's speaking of himself would make him an incompetent character on par with Wapol..

Extreme levels of coping just there..

 

[ConquistadoR]

G5 doesn't have the same power of force in bases punches as G4 does, that clash simply there to hype Lucci. He's a main beloved antagonist who wouldn't just show up and get one shot, this statement is obselete.

Vista was asked to defend Luffy by WB and went against Mihawk who further cemented his name as a big shot in the verse. The fight was postponed for later but Mihawk still hasn't fought that fight..

It's funny how Nika is given an excuse for clashing for a prolonged period vs a scrub like Lucci.
While Mihawk isn't given a pass for the Vista moment, even though he was literally day dreaming and monologuing about Luffy when clashing with Vista.

Funny how events in the manga are viewed, certain characters are lynched for the same shit other characters are excused for.
This response alone tells me that you can't debate w/o bias in Shanks v. Mihawk tbh.

Still have yet to prove me wrong in this regard...

they're friends and he doesn't even want to fight him anymore cause he has one arm, what a lame excuse to not finish their business..

And eventually Shanks won't be the person that Mihawk thinks will give him the fight of his life.
It will be Zoro.

For that reason alone, Shanks should be weaker.

For a prominent Haki user the Divine departure is just a casual move for him similar to Thunder Bagua. It's not their best attack nor is it anything more than a base set of their abilities. Zoro can also casually throw away mountain buster slashes now it's nothing impressive anymore & it was easi;y tanked by Jozu.

Oda hypes characters by introducing them with their Signature Attacks before they go all out on Panel.

Kaidou was introduced and Hyped with Boro Breath & Thunder Bagua.
BM was introduced and Hyped with Soul Pocus & Ikoku.
Shanks & Roger were introduced & hyped with Divine Departure.
Garp with Galaxy Impact.

It's basically how Oda writes these characters before he is going to show them going all out.

Mihawk will get his "chapter" and Signature Move too and as the WSS - do you think he won't have a Better Sword Technique as his Signature than Shanks? Lol.

Let me test the difference between me and that man WSM with a no name no haki slash at a time when moves weren't really being spouted out did WB name any of his attacks did. The only ones who we saw used "named " attacks were the Admirals, Hancok and Luffy...

Hell Joker used Parasite but we never even heard that name of the attack until DR so your argument here falls flat on a nameless attack.

WB wasn't at his Prime, he won't be Hyped with Named Attacks - that is happening now with Blackbeard using the Gura Gura.
Every other characters were hyped this way. The Doflamingo point... funny how Doflamingo was hyped with his Signature as well (Parasite).

And the "Difference" Mihawk was talking about were WB's subordinates who came in to block Mihawk & Kizaru going for Whitebeard.
It wasn't about Powerlevel at all.

there's nothing to bet there is no info on whether or not he turned Yoru black or not, it's all specultion at this point one thing for certain though is Ryuma was clearly mentioned as turning Shusui black..
as stated once more his title is a gimmick if he can't defeat another swordsman does the title really mean much.

From what we do know given the manga is for Zoro to be considered WSS he just simply needs to defeat the one with the title and nothing more. So all Mihawk had to do was best a swordsman that held that title and just sit alone in his castle doing nothing.

Has he defeated Shanks no he has not cause it would've explicitly been stated.

All this to answer a simple question.

Are you willing to bet that Mihawk didn't turn Yoru into a BlackBlade? Yes or No?

 

[Franosuke]

We’re still making Mihawk threads?

How about we just shut the fuck up and watch.

Tears can come later.

 

[MUUGEN]

Did WB defeated anyone to become WSM ?
Did he finish his match against Roger ?
Did Kaido defeated anyone (aside from Oden's cheapshot) to become WSC ?
Did he finish his match against BM ?

You have no problem to accept them & their titles (and its right to accept it) and at the same time you nitpicking Mihawk's.

when and where have you seen me use these as arguments?

I'll tell you nowhere cause i don't hold these titles as the end all be all.

Roger is dead now so that's not even a fight that can be cleared and WB and Roger were actual friends throughout every flashback that we've seen they were near equals and we're chatting like bestfriends. & Roger was PK a notch above if we want to use the titles here so the title of WSM would be obsolete for him...

PK>WSM-WSS-WSC-WMWC

funny though good try and making up false narratives to for your argument.

I'll try not to take you to seriously when this is the route to try to take..

for clarification though Roger died and its clear that after him it was WB who was the strongest maybe only Garp could contend this but he also had the power to destroy the world that Sengoku wasn't even sure that they'd win at MF...

 

[Rootbeer]

We’re still making Mihawk threads?

How about we just shut the fuck up and watch.

Tears can come later.

The Mihawk Cope needs to be pointed out.. Everything presented in the manga is twisted with convoluted explanation..

PK path>WSS path

The Distance between Whitebeard and Mihawk.. Whitebeard>>Mihawk

Shanks ask Mihawk if he want to '' Kecchaku '', '' Settle '' things.. Meaning they stopped on a Draw..

A Yonko level character got stalled by Vista?.. That would mean Vista is Admiral level?..

So many things wrong..

 

[gz89]

when and where have you seen me use these as arguments?

I'll tell you nowhere cause i don't hold these titles as the end all be all.

Roger is dead now so that's not even a fight that can be cleared and WB and Roger were actual friends throughout every flashback that we've seen they were near equals and we're chatting like bestfriends. & Roger was PK a notch above if we want to use the titles here so the title of WSM would be obsolete for him...

PK>WSM-WSS-WSC-WMWC

funny though good try and making up false narratives to for your argument.

I'll try not to take you to seriously when this is the route to try to take..

for clarification though Roger died and its clear that after him it was WB who was the strongest maybe only Garp could contend this but he also had the power to destroy the world that Sengoku wasn't even sure that they'd win at MF...

Im not making up false narratives nor compared WS titles with Roger.

I'm talking about these 3 guys, WSM,WSC,WSS.

The majority of the readers accept WSC/WSM as legit titles and believe that these guys are indeed on top of the verse but a bunch of people (like you) still try to lowball the WSS for some reason.

The only difference between Mihawk & WB/Kaido is that they had their owns arcs. Mihawk's is yet to come. Oda didnt create a fake title almost 30y ago to fool the readers.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

So everything Mihawk does, his fans need to do mental Gymnatics to make him look good and keep the denial going..

Here's a list of it..

- Mihawk himself saying the Pirate King path is harder than Surpassing him
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk wanted to measure the true distance between him and Whitebeard
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk has yet to settle his score with Shanks
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk stalled by Vista
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk, the WSS has better Sword skills than Yonko Shanks
(evidence flipped)

- Mihawk doesn't want to be a Yonko
(evidence flipped)

The biggest one is "Mihawk doesnt need any feats". When Shanks 0.5 shots a 3 billion bounty pirate and Mihawk gets zero feats, thats my usual cope lmao