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Does Ryokugyu Have A Black Blade?


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Queen couldn't use cybernetics because he didn't even want to fight her lol
He got slammed twice and then decided to sneak attack her head because he thought she'd kill him in a direct fight (which is fair ngl)
Doffy didn't use any moves because he just wanted to observe and make occasional moves, however he still used parasite twice at least.
Marco did use moves, he didn't name most of them but he definitely did use some.

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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Yes, Ryokugyu's blade appears as a Kokuto. Ryokugyu has his fruit for 3 years (as he has not eaten for 3 years), so majority of his time he was probably a swordsman. Oda went at length to display Ryokugyu's blade without a sheath and drew it as a black blade. If it happens to be a normal blade, let alone a wooden stick, Oda has to seriously reconsider his ability to draw.
I’m curious, do you believe the kick that Kizaru blocked was AdCoC? I’m skeptical but I’ve also never seen Luffy’s attacks cause black lightning unless it’s a two-way clash or it’s just straight up AdCoC.
 
Yes, Ryokugyu's blade appears as a Kokuto. Ryokugyu has his fruit for 3 years (as he has not eaten for 3 years), so majority of his time he was probably a swordsman. Oda went at length to display Ryokugyu's blade without a sheath and drew it as a black blade. If it happens to be a normal blade, let alone a wooden stick, Oda has to seriously reconsider his ability to draw.
I'm pretty sure there's wooden blades with black sheathes, as Peroroncino or someone pointed put, so it could be that.
But it could just be a black blade. We'll see eventually, but for now I'm still skeptical because the dude never bothers using his blade even on fellow Admirals like Issho.
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I don’t even care about that bro wtf is that Kuzan take 🤡
What Kuzan take
 
I’m curious, do you believe the kick that Kizaru blocked was AdCoC? I’m skeptical but I’ve also never seen Luffy’s attacks cause black lightning unless it’s a two-way clash or it’s just straight up AdCoC.
Dunno. We often saw CoA strikes emitting that same Haki. ACoC to me seems generally thicker and bigger, including Luffy's ACoC punches even if they touched, leaving a large jagged trail behind. We also see this lightning emitted with normal CoC when an attack connects.

On the other hand it's true that Luffy's CoA punches specifically didn't leave trails behind in the past. Oda failed to make a clear distinction between CoA and CoC.

:kayneshrug:
 
Dunno. We often saw CoA strikes emitting that same Haki. ACoC to me seems generally thicker and bigger, including Luffy's ACoC punches even if they touched, leaving a large jagged trail behind. We also see this lightning emitted with normal CoC when an attack connects.

On the other hand it's true that Luffy's CoA punches specifically didn't leave trails behind in the past. Oda failed to make a clear distinction between CoA and CoC.

:kayneshrug:
He usually draws people passing out or there being no touch with ACoA and ACoC, for that reason and the lightning being told thin, it's definitely CoA.
 

TheKnightOfTheSea

𝕷𝖔𝖗𝖉 𝖔𝖋 𝕸𝖔𝖔𝖓'𝖘 𝕾𝖕𝖆𝖜𝖓
No one expected Kaido to casually pull out future sight after an arc of tanking most hits, and no one expected Kuzan to demonstrate Prime Garp punching either.....
 
No one expected Kaido to casually pull out future sight after an arc of tanking most hits, and no one expected Kuzan to demonstrate Prime Garp punching either.....
I mean it's more of them just training on the same stuff and being able to destroy them hit that doesn't mean they're equal
For example Prime Garp busted mountains for practice
Time skip G4 Luffy busted mountains for practice as well
Is time skip G4 Luffy equal to Prime Garp's strength?
 
I’m curious, do you believe the kick that Kizaru blocked was AdCoC? I’m skeptical but I’ve also never seen Luffy’s attacks cause black lightning unless it’s a two-way clash or it’s just straight up AdCoC.
It is advanced coc kick from luffy . You can see Coc lighting from luffy feet.
On same chapter , no black lighting between rob lucci vs zoro clash.

Oda ain’t scale lighting as how big lighting supposed to be. Look at Yamato on greenbull . Yet we know it is advanced coc because Yamato is coc user and you can see coc lighting from her weapon.
I mean it is teenagers manga and I doubt teenagers will powerscale lighting to determine coA or coC
 
I will edit this post and the OP in the future once Akainu and Fujitora get more Haki hype.

So all and all, it is really looking more and more likely that Oda is coming through on Admiral level Haki after all, and this is all just adding fuel to the fire of Ryokugyu’s black blade.
Probably you won't have to, at least not for the sake of proving Aramaki's BB.

In the span of some weeks we are seeing the anime adaptation with the scene of Armaki and his blade. Everything will be clear at that point.
 
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It is advanced coc kick from luffy . You can see Coc lighting from luffy feet.
On same chapter , no black lighting between rob lucci vs zoro clash.

Oda ain’t scale lighting as how big lighting supposed to be. Look at Yamato on greenbull . Yet we know it is advanced coc because Yamato is coc user and you can see coc lighting from her weapon.
I mean it is teenagers manga and I doubt teenagers will powerscale lighting to determine coA or coC
Small, thin black lightning = ACoA or even just basic CoA. It’s not ACoC
 
Yes, Ryokugyu's blade appears as a Kokuto. Ryokugyu has his fruit for 3 years (as he has not eaten for 3 years), so majority of his time he was probably a swordsman. Oda went at length to display Ryokugyu's blade without a sheath and drew it as a black blade. If it happens to be a normal blade, let alone a wooden stick, Oda has to seriously reconsider his ability to draw.
Basically this.

That thing looks exactly like a BB and wasn't even modified in the volume, so it was definitely not an error.

If it was anything different from a BB, Oda has big, big problem with drawings.
 
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Small, thin black lightning = ACoA or even just basic CoA. It’s not ACoC
Lol it is not ACoA , we already see luffy pull red roc on kaido yet you don’t see black lighting . Chapter 1000red roc is ACoA attack.
‘It is not even clash .

Do you see black thin lighting on rob lucci vs zoro ?
Do you see black thin lighting on luffy and zoro fighting robots ?

ACoC already have lighting from punches, kicks, weapons .
 

Cinera

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Yes, Ryokugyu's blade appears as a Kokuto. Ryokugyu has his fruit for 3 years (as he has not eaten for 3 years), so majority of his time he was probably a swordsman. Oda went at length to display Ryokugyu's blade without a sheath and drew it as a black blade. If it happens to be a normal blade, let alone a wooden stick, Oda has to seriously reconsider his ability to draw.
Has the coloured manga reached those chapters yet?
 
I'm pretty sure there's wooden blades with black sheathes, as Peroroncino or someone pointed put, so it could be that.
But it could just be a black blade. We'll see eventually, but for now I'm still skeptical because the dude never bothers using his blade even on fellow Admirals like Issho.
I think that was debunked here. I think it was Wiwi (I have never tagged here so I don't know how to do it).

By the way, Bokkens don't have the Hammon. The Hammon is only present in steel swords.
 
Dunno. We often saw CoA strikes emitting that same Haki. ACoC to me seems generally thicker and bigger, including Luffy's ACoC punches even if they touched, leaving a large jagged trail behind. We also see this lightning emitted with normal CoC when an attack connects.

On the other hand it's true that Luffy's CoA punches specifically didn't leave trails behind in the past. Oda failed to make a clear distinction between CoA and CoC.

:kayneshrug:

To be honest, before Wano there are cases of Luffy causing black lightning when using hardening but ever since Wano started Oda has been extremely consistent with how his MC’s COA outside direct head-on clashes (that have their own visual effect), be it basic or advanced is depicted visually, here a compilation of pretty much all the moments Luffy used COA since the start of Wano :


Limb simply turn black. This has been consistent for basically 200 chapters by now.

I understand COC/COA discussions for secondary characters that are unconfirmed COC users as Oda drew the likes of Ulti and Jinbe black lightning,
But Oda has been keeping it simple for his MC for the last 5 years. Luffy uses COA : blackened limb only
Luffy uses COC : black lightning.
i don’t see any reason to believe he suddenly broke this pattern when he was still following it when he drew Luffy fighting the seraphims 15 chapters ago.

The explanation is likely that it is in Wano that Oda finalized how advCOC would look like and that Luffy would get it against Kaido. So when it comes to his protagonist whose abilities should be clear even for kids, Oda made the distinction between the moments he uses COA and the moment he uses COC clear.

I get why despite all of this one would be skeptical though, even as an admiral fan I never expected Kizaru to block an advCOC with one arm and not using visible hardening to defend himself.

But I’m confident, not because of agenda but because believing Luffy not using COA here is just believing Oda is following the pattern he has been consistent for several years by now.
 
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