Cristiano Ronaldo vs Lionel Messi

The Best is......


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#21
There is absolutely nothing besides headers that ronaldo can so better than messi. Nothing
Penaltys argument is dumb. Messi is as good as ronaldo. He has barely one or two important penalty misses in his career
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#22
There is absolutely nothing besides headers that ronaldo can so better than messi. Nothing
Penaltys argument is dumb. Messi is as good as ronaldo. He has barely one or two important penalty misses in his career
Headers and probably being better at his weak foot.

Its really simple to say who is a better player just by looking at what they do week in & week out. Ronaldo was an elite goalscorer bagging ~50/60 goals a season at his best.

Messi at the peak of his powers was scoring as much as Ronaldo & had the creative influence of a KdB or a Iniesta. He was basically an elite goalscorer & an elite #8 at the same time.

Nobody else has ever put in numbers like that like Messi did and he was doing it consistently for almost ~15 years.
 
#23
Headers and probably being better at his weak foot.

Its really simple to say who is a better player just by looking at what they do week in & week out. Ronaldo was an elite goalscorer bagging ~50/60 goals a season at his best.

Messi at the peak of his powers was scoring as much as Ronaldo & had the creative influence of a KdB or a Iniesta. He was basically an elite goalscorer & an elite #8 at the same time.

Nobody else has ever put in numbers like that like Messi did and he was doing it consistently for almost ~15 years.
I can give weak foot to ronaldo
 
#24
Round 1: Passing
Round 2: Dribling
Round 3: Shooting
Round 4: Gols
Round 5: Speed
Round 6: Skills
Round 7: Assists
Round 8: Game IQ
Round 9: Penalties
Round 10: Finishing
Round 11: Trophies
R1 : Messi >>>
R2 : Messi >>
R3 : Messi ~ Cristiano
R4 : Cristiano > Messi (goal ratio Messi wins tho)
R5 : Top speed Cristiano, acceleration Messi
R6 : Cristiano >= Messi (Messi can do tricks as well but rarely use it in real game)
R7 : Messi >>
R8 : Messi >>>
R9 : Penaldo >
R10 : Messi ~ Cristiano
R11 : Messi > Cristiano

Overall
Messi >> Pendu

Mid diff for Leo
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Excuse me, Facts coming through:







Pendu shoots more, Messi shoots better





Putting these stats rounds together:


"According to FIFA it is Ronaldo. He fares at 33.6 kmph(and in the video below it's shown 33.98) compared to Messi's 32.5 kmph."



Not even a debate, Messi clears these two.


Finally, Pendu wins something


Here is a funny stat regarding goals without penalties:



Most ballon d'or, most trophies, most decorated player of all time....Lionel Messi
You don't have to body Pendu like that :josad:
 
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Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#25
Since this is a very broad question, I'll break it down into Rounds.

Round 1: Passing
Round 2: Dribling
Round 3: Shooting
Round 4: Gols
Round 5: Speed
Round 6: Skills
Round 7: Assists
Round 8: Game IQ
Round 9: Penalties
Round 10: Finishing
Round 11: Trophies

Personal Question: Who is the Best Overrall?

• CRISTIANO RONALDO


OR

• LIONEL MESSI


Many people already highlighted....but I will still say it.


Messi is the most complete player ever to play this game.

His all time stats

  • Highest successful dribbles
  • Highest chances created for goals
  • Highest assists
  • Most trophies ever
  • Most Balloon D'or
  • Most league titles
  • Most goals scored in a calendar year
  • Most goals scored in a league
  • Most free kicks and non penalty goals scored
  • Second highest goals scorer
  • Only footballer to win Laures award
  • Only one to win Golden ball twice at WC
And, all of this by playing 100 games less than Ronaldo.


When it comes to IQ then again it's Messi - It's just not about positioning to score goals - Messi can and Haaland can as well but Messi has vision which no one has and it's clear when you see him making assists which no one else can see.


Just few days ago - he made an assist through 5 defenders in the box.


When it comes to speed - then Ronaldo

And, people say Messi doesn't make team great but Ronaldo does.

That's wrong - both players needed team to shine. And, when team wasn't built around them both struggled. However, messi is even better in this regard - He was the central figure why Argentina won 3 trophies including a WC in last 2 years and reached to 2014 WC final as well.



Ronaldo is great - especially the younger version but since his injury in 2015 he became more of a box player.

Messi is undoubtedly the Best to ever play this game.
 
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#26
Good choice. And yeah, not to take anything away from Messi, but like I said, I believe he greatly benefitted from the system he played in. A phenomenal player in a phenomenal system that made him even better than what he'd normally be able to do imo. I understand anyone that says Messi as well, but I am going with Ronaldo for sure.



This is genuinely always one of the funniest points ever made whenever stated by Ronny fans.



Since Messi is supposedly a system player amd someone who wouldn't be anything without it, I'd love to hear the reason why reality shows different.




Lemme give you a small history recap.


Messi Vs Prime Spain, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pique and the others + plus prime Madrid's players too.


Do you want to know what happened when a super terrifying team like this met Messi and his super weak Argentina side?


It was absolute freaking domination, domination by the hands of one man.


Messi, Spain looked like children the way he played with them all, the disrespect he gave the Busquets especially was mad.


Tiki Taka, the untouchable Tiki Taka that Spain used to terrify teams in the world cup and Euros, that system was absolutely demolished and fucked over by Messi.



Any ideas why this happened?


Messi Vs His supposed system and Real Madrid's system combined.


Do you understand, Messi is the entire system unto himself.


Another point, do you know that Ronaldo has zero international player of tournament awards and also zero goals+ assists in all international finals.


Do you how many Messi has, he has 7 of those things.

7 player of tournament awards internationally, the highest of anyone on the planet, even Pele only has 2 or was it 4 of those things.


So I really want to know, how do you guys get this much confidence in saying he's the player who can do it for anyone.


For one thing, he's three years trophyless, Been out of the Ballond'or conversation since 2018, imagine being out at 32.


Do you also forget what happened month ago, this same Cr7 literally became the worst or one of the worst players in world cup history.


Have you any idea what sort of achievement this is, do you how hard and impossible it is to achieve this.
 

Light D Lamperouge

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#27
This is genuinely always one of the funniest points ever made whenever stated by Ronny fans.
I am sure lmao. But you managed to top it.

Since Messi is supposedly a system player amd someone who wouldn't be anything without it, I'd love to hear the reason why reality shows different.
If you could read you'd see I said Messi is a phenomenal player who was only made even better with the system. Not that he wouldn't be anything without it. No reason to strawman my argument.

Messi Vs Prime Spain, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pique and the others + plus prime Madrid's players too.


Do you want to know what happened when a super terrifying team like this met Messi and his super weak Argentina side?


It was absolute freaking domination, domination by the hands of one man.


Messi, Spain looked like children the way he played with them all, the disrespect he gave the Busquets especially was mad.


Tiki Taka, the untouchable Tiki Taka that Spain used to terrify teams in the world cup and Euros, that system was absolutely demolished and fucked over by Messi.



Any ideas why this happened?


Messi Vs His supposed system and Real Madrid's system combined.
Are you talking about the friendly match in 2010 lmao? Because if yeah lmaooooooooo :shame::risitavirus:


Messi Vs His supposed system and Real Madrid's system combined.


Do you understand, Messi is the entire system unto himself.
Nah, Messi is a cog in the machine. Or used to be.


Another point, do you know that Ronaldo has zero international player of tournament awards and also zero goals+ assists in all international finals.
The man played two international finals, if you're referring to national team finals, one when he just started his career and one in which he got injured. Portugal being a weaker team than Argentina doesn't take away from Ronaldo.


For one thing, he's three years trophyless, Been out of the Ballond'or conversation since 2018, imagine being out at 32.
What are you talking about? You clearly have no idea about these things or are misinformed.

The last trophy Ronaldo won, not counting the Saudi one, is the Coppa Italia in 2021, May 19 2021. So that's not 3 years lmao.

As for Ballon d'Or

In 2019 Ronaldo was 3rd in the Ballon d'Or.
In 2021 Ronaldo was 6th.
In 2022 Ronaldo was 20th. Messi didn't even make the top 50 that year lmao. That's what is embarrassing.


You obviously don't have an actual idea of the facts. Do some research, inform yourself properly, and then come back and maybe then we can have an actual conversation and not whatever this poor attempt of wasting my time was.
 
#29
Except for headers and penalties, Messi is superior in all cases
Ronaldo fans are like Conor fans....They try to make excuses all the time
I can give many examples, for example, they say Messi is nothing without Iniesta and Xavi...First of all, football is a team game
Second, when you look at the statistics, you will realize that Suarez gave the most assists to Messi...Also, if I'm not mistaken, they have given less than 70 assists to Messi
Now I better compare Real and Barca...If I'm not mistaken, when Barca won its first UCL, Real has 6 UCL..The origins and achievements of the two teams are very different and people act as if Real is nothing without Ronaldo
I don't discuss football as much as before, and finally I want to say that Messi gave almost 30 penalties to his teammates....Otherwise, Messi was now the best scorer in history:kayneshrug:
 

K!NG HARA$H!MA

Hustlerversity Graduate
#31
Ronaldo is like the Admirals, who worked off his blood to reach the top

Messi is the Yonkos, who was naturally talented and utilized the genetic code immensely
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
#35
Gui with this thread is just few years late.


Debate is over.

Now it's time for both of them to enjoy the remaining years of their career
 
#36
Are you talking about the friendly match in 2010 lmao? Because if yeah lmaooooooooo :shame::risitavirus:


Do help me find the Logic in how this is supposed to take away from what happened in that match?


Because I'm lost here.




The man played two international finals, if you're referring to national team finals, one when he just started his career and one in which he got injured. Portugal being a weaker team than Argentina doesn't take away from Ronaldo.

What is this?


Since when was Portugal weaker than Argentina?


Do you forget Portugal's golden generation from 2010-2014 if I'm remembering correctly




The only time Portugal was weak during this 21st century was in 2018.



Portugal 2022 was a complete super team.

But a weak team is also not an excuse not to perform because we have examples

Diego Maradona, Messi in 2014, Modric in 2018.

Freaking Modric.

So I'll ask what is this excuses and refusal to uphold him to a standard considering his status?


Really, what are all these excuses for why he's never been able to score or assist in the finals and never won a single player of tournament.


No, even before that.

Cr7 has never had a single good campaign in his life internationally, he also has zero legacy at the world cup.


That's mad funny, like mad funny.


What are you talking about? You clearly have no idea about these things or are misinformed.

The last trophy Ronaldo won, not counting the Saudi one, is the Coppa Italia in 2021, May 19 2021. So that's not 3 years lmao.

Considering Everything here, that means it's just going to reach three years very soon, meaning it's a pointless correction to make.


And the Saudi cup was a friendly tournament, you can look up what the minister himself said about it so he's still not won anything yet.



In 2019 Ronaldo was 3rd in the Ballon d'Or.
In 2021 Ronaldo was 6th.
In 2022 Ronaldo was 20th. Messi didn't even make the top 50 that year lmao. That's what is embarrassing.
So like I had actually said, out of the Ballond'or conversation since 2018 and not won any after that.


And shall I bring up Ronaldo's Ballond'or ranking this year?


Because it's the most embarrassing ranking of all time.





You obviously don't have an actual idea of the facts. Do some research, inform yourself properly, and then come back and maybe then we can have an actual conversation and not whatever this poor attempt of wasting my time was.

I did do all my research properly, you just keep making excuses.


Imagine holding Ronaldo to a lower standard than Modric internationally, freaking Modric.

And your best excuse being it was a weak team, the standards are in hell for this guy.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#38
I dislike Messi very very very very very very very very …. very much

i prefer Ronaldo by a good margin

But Messi is greater than Ronaldo
 
#40
Without even talking too much about stats
Just by closely observing how they play in their peak days
Messi is just a tier on his own, born purely a footballer, it's a talent which is fully optimised
While Ronaldo is like a born athlete crafting himself to be a footballer.
And I think truthfully most cr7 fans(especially on kids and young teens) prefer him over messi based on ronaldo playstyle of being natural rather than that unmatched playstyle of messi

When comparing each sets of skills, except on aerial ball and pure running speed(not with ball) Messi had the edge on everything at both being attacking player.
 
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