Okay, so not just houken, every single Zhao general credit all goes to riboku as a general? Because he's the prime minister? Wtf are you guys smoking?
Will the same applies for Ryofui? Or even shouheikun? Should anything achieved by Tou, Ousen, Kanki, Yotanwa be Accredited to shouheikun and not to the generals themselves? Absolutely mind boggling logic.
Riboku the general =/= Riboku the prime minister.
So you avoided answering my questions.
I will ask again:
- Are you going to discredit Ouki for using Tou, who is thousands of miles ahead of Houken as a general and somebody who Ouki stated was his equal?
- Are you going to discredit Shin for all his Ws since Karyo Ten was making the strategies and in the battlefield Kyoukai was always the prominent one making the strategies? Both of whom also have future Qin 6 level potential as well?
- Are you going to discredit Renpa for using Genpo somebody who could've been a chief of military on his own? Using Kashibou said to be Renpa's peer in martial might? Both of whom were generals.
As for your question regarding SHK. Yes SHK will get credit for Ousen/YTW/Tou/Moubu's accomplishments if things went as how he planned them. Let's take WZI for example:
- SHK had a goal in mind of taking Gyou. He formulated a strategy to execute it. In accordance to his strategy he selected 3 generals who he thought could carry them out. And among the 3 he selected one who he believed was the best suited to carry it out.
- His general, Ousen, leads the army just as SHK had wanted him to following the exact plan SHK laid out.... oh but wait there's an issue, even though they had taken the castle they thought they needed, it looks like Riboku had made a counter (Retsubi). Nullifying the plan SHK came up with.... uh ohhh looks like SHK is cooked now right? He only deserves credit for up until Retsubi, right? Wrong.
- SHK was completely aware that his plan would be countered. However, because he's not on the battlefield he can't come up with a proper counter and on time... which is exactly why he picked Ousen as the commander. Because he knew that Ousen would be able to provide an appropriate counter once his original strategy failed.
- Not only that just like had planned, Shin, Ouhon, Mouten all performed as he had expected when needed. He raised them 3 for years as independent units, to cultivate their decision making without relying on the generals. And all 3 of them ended up doing so.
- The Qi deal was accomplished wonderfully by Shouheikun and right on time when it was needed to save the Qin army from starving out. Now of course, the initial idea was given by Ousen himself. However, you would give credit to SHK for the actual execution.
So yes SHK gets credit for the Qin victory at WZI. Because everything that happened he had taken into account and selected the appropriate pieces to make it happen. It wasn't "they're my best generals I'm gonna send em out and hope they get me the W." Everything SHK did was formulated and took into account worst case scenarios.
Do you know who took the primary blame for the Qin loss at Bayou? It wasn't Ouki.. ding ding ding you guessed it, Shouheikun. Now come to recent arcs with SHK... it's a bit different story.
With Riboku he gets credit for optimally utilizing his pieces to get the desired results he wanted. So when he sets a trap for somebody to be killed by his underling Houken... he gets credit for that. If Houken is being used strategically by him to end things fast to lure people out.. you can't pull the bullshit card of "saved by Houken"... like no.. if he didn't have Houken, he would simply be maneuvering and strategizing differently.
But nobody here is saying "oh man Riboku physically fuckrd up Gekishin" "oh man Riboku physically fucked up Ouki"... no.. However he formulated strategies that beat em. He wanted to showcase how Zhao whoops on another state with overwhelming strength... which is what he did when he ended a battle between two armies of 100k+ soldiers... within 8 hours. Lol.
I didn't mention anything about Riboku the prime minister. It's been his actions as the military leader of Zhao.
