General & Others The Whitebeard pirates never knew Wano was Kaido’s territory for 20 years

[Red Admiral]

A) oden was already dead many years ago


B) waging war meant going against another yonkou which World government would definitely won't allow as it would disturb balance of power

C)WB saw ace as someone who is carrying legacy of Roger and wanted to make him pK. This means for WB, Ace was that joy boy.



So, how come does wb revenging oden and fighting kaido makes sense? Can anyone explain?

A ) Ace asked Garp to kill him ... but Garp said it's pointless cause it won't stop Whitebeard

B) when Big Mom was about to go to war with Kaido where was WG
B) when Shanks and Whitebeard COULD go to war where was WG

B) Whitebeard who knew he was sick and Old take on entire Marine and Warlords heads on ... you think he fear Kaido?


p.s

it was one thing if Oda would say : Whitebeard choose not to do anything

but it's

ops... we didn't know ...

and that's beyond stupid

 

[Fujishiro]

All I know this 20 years is probably the worst thing on all of this. Who would let their country suffer to only fulfill a prophecy? Isn't the series about freedom? Then you have a number of characters act out of it because they choose to believe in some bullshit prophecy that can maybe happen in 20 years? This is some Mayan 2012 Apocalypse stuff...
That destiny shit goes all the way against everything One Piece stands for... Kishimoto made the same mistake when he literally made Neji's words true by the end of his series.

B-but muuuh pirate jesus!

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

I'd like to think that whitebeard and the others knew about it, tried to stop kaido, but failed. It wouldn't be irrational. As we saw, Wano is extremely difficult to get into.

The big mom pirates themselves tried to enter the country only for them to get knocked back by king. Unless you know about the secret pass, which I don't think anybody does, the only way to get into wano is by the waterfall. Unfortunately, however, Kaido himself as well as his strongest commander both have zoans that make them masters of aerial combat.

Due to this, while Kaido might not have been able to defeat the whitebeard pirates in an actual battle, he could easily prevent them from invading wano by simply knocking them off the waterfall like King did to the big mom pirates

Can you really prevent Whitebeard from entering your territory, though? The guy entered Marineford while the top dogs of the Navy were expecting him, won't be easily stopped by King because not only he has Marco but ranged attacks himself, and on top of that he can summon seaquakes so I'm not sure about how challenging the waterfall really is.

Half of the Big Mom Pirates almost did it if not for King. I don't see why the whole Whitebeard Pirates wouldn't be able to reach the country, especially two decades ago when Kaido didn't fully control it.

 

[Buusatan94]

Whitebeard is certainely not one who would have been afraid of confronting Kaido the least, he has fearlessly taken on much worse than Kaido and his crew from 20 years ago and in a far worse and weaker state while at Marineford.
Kaido and his crew wouldn't have stood a chance against Whitebeard in his physical prime.

 

[MD Zolo]

If someone can clear this for me then I would be glad as there are many here who thinks wb should have fought kaido.



1) Roger told wb about laugh tale and ancient kingdom and I am sure about prophecy.

2) ace joined WB many years after Roger death and let's assume ace told everything about wano to WB. But, by that time three big changes occurred


A) oden was already dead many years ago


B) waging war meant going against another yonkou which World government would definitely won't allow as it would disturb balance of power

C)WB saw ace as someone who is carrying legacy of Roger and wanted to make him pK. This means for WB, Ace was that joy boy.



So, how come does wb revenging oden and fighting kaido makes sense? Can anyone explain?

Okay...say avenging Oden was pointless. What about saving others like Kiku, Hiyori, Momonusuke etcetera?

Okay, let's say, as far as everybody is concerned, all of them are dead. And WB was waiting for Joyboy (Ace) to change Wano. Then why didn't WB help Ace to change Wano in the same manner Luffy is trying now?

Why didn't Ace return to Wano for Tama? He was arguably the part of the most powerful pirate crew in the world.

 

[Reborn]

A ) Ace asked Garp to kill him ... but Garp said it's pointless cause it won't stop Whitebeard

B) when Big Mom was about to go to war with Kaido where was WG
B) when Shanks and Whitebeard COULD go to war where was WG

B) Whitebeard who knew he was sick and Old take on entire Marine and Warlords heads on ... you think he fear Kaido?


p.s

it was one thing if Oda would say : Whitebeard choose not to do anything

but it's

ops... we didn't know ...

and that's beyond stupid

A) because ace was someone whom wb saw as next joyboy carrying legacy of whole ancient kingdom.

And, Second WB was already on the move because ace at that time was still alive and not dead many years ago like oden


B)BM was not waging war with kaido. Navy intercepted their call and feared their alliance and not war

C)shanks and wb never meant to go at war. We are talking about shanks here the yonkou who is about maintaining Balance of power and enjoy this credibility among higher ups of World government so what makes you think that wg will think Shanks will wage war with WB?

Again, what makes you all think wb should have waged war against Kaido?

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Okay...say avenging Oden was pointless. What about saving others like Kiku, Hiyori, Momonusuke etcetera?

Okay, let's say, as far as everybody is concerned, all of them are dead. And WB was waiting for Joyboy (Ace) to change Wano. Then why didn't WB help Ace to change Wano in the same manner Luffy is trying now?

Why didn't Ace return to Wano for Tama? He was arguably the part of the most powerful pirate crew in the world.

Maybe Because 20 years is this ongoing year and not few years ago

 

[Just a member]

Yup, this smells a lot like a plot hole (it is inevitable considering how big, how many characters, and intricated the story is).

WB for a reason or another (what a rival yonko is doing, Izo checking his homeland, Ace being in Wano, check the place for their pal Oden and the others) should have known about it and if that was the case come and break Kaido's neck. Oda will have to put in something really good to avoid this hole.

 

[dizzy2341]

It's a big enough plot hole on its own, but the specific manner that this was done really does totally shit on WB's character. Whitebeard, who was called the strongest man in the entire world was not a pirate in pursuit of treasure and glory, but merely wanted a family. That's literally all he wanted.

His entire legacy is based around liberating and protecting islands such as FMI and his homeland, in addition to his love for his family. He's not like Kaido or Big Mom. He's not interested in finding the One Piece or becoming the Pirate King. He just wants to protect his family and live a life with them. He had literally nothing else to do...

So the fact that he totally ignored Oden, his proclaimed brother, as soon as he'd left the crew, when he could've easily prevented Oden's death and saved Wano from 20 years of misery, yet apparently had no idea what was going on and never bothered to check once for 2 whole decades is nothing short of atrocious. Makes WB's entire character look like a fraud, since that's literally all he was about.

 

[Albino 👑]

whats your twitter? Id love to read your takes friend.

Im assuming you didn't mean to quote me saying oden is marcos uncle

I also think sengoku kinda like laws grandpa because he looked at roci as a son

Grandpagoku

 

[Red Admiral]

A) because ace was someone whom wb saw as next joyboy carrying legacy of whole ancient kingdom.

And, Second WB was already on the move because ace at that time was still alive and not dead many years ago like oden


B)BM was not waging war with kaido. Navy intercepted their call and feared their alliance and not war

C)shanks and wb never meant to go at war. We are talking about shanks here the yonkou who is about maintaining Balance of power and enjoy this credibility among higher ups of World government so what makes you think that wg will think Shanks will wage war with WB?

Again, what makes you all think wb should have waged war against Kaido?

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Maybe Because 20 years is this ongoing year and not few years ago

A) Whitebeard wasn't a man who give a real fuck about that... Sengoku just assumed that's WB goal
every single member of family matter the same
that's his own words

B) she was about to do that .... King stopped that war

C ) it's one thing to not go to war .... it one thing to don't do shit .... it one thing to "ops, we didn't know

Oda is not saying they didn't go to war

he is saying "they didn't even knew"

 

[Lunaria]

I’ve never liked Oden’s forced connection to Whitebeard and Roger, Oda tried too hard to make him powerful and important. Now it backfires.

 

[Don DaSlayer]

Wb really didn’t give a fuck about his so called brother Oden.
Ace was there why didn’t he say anything to them? Izou too he also didn’t give a f about Oden.

 

[Fujishiro]

Im assuming you didn't mean to quote me saying oden is marcos uncle

I also think sengoku kinda like laws grandpa because he looked at roci as a son

Grandpagoku

Yah i quoted you by mistake bb, and BRO. THE OLD MAN DUO SHOWING UP IN WANO for their grandsons hype!

 

[MD Zolo]

Maybe Because 20 years is this ongoing year and not few years ago

Ace joined WBP 4 years ago. So, that puts the timeline at 16 years after Oden's death.

Now, 20 years is the time given for the final war. If WB already knew that Ace was the person who will enter the New World with force and change the world, he didn't need to wait 4 more years to change Wano. Again, 20 years is the prophecy for the final war, Oden is only piggybacking on the prophecy.

There is no prophecy that WB knew of where WB has to wait 20 years to liberate Wano.

 

[dirtyLarry]

To be quite frank, right now I'm really scared that Oda will butcher not only Wano, but also the entire EoS.
It really feels like he's in a rush to conclude it. We've seen that go horribly wrong many times before. Most recently in the infamous GoT season 8.

whats your twitter? Id love to read your takes friend.

Sent you a DM :)

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I'd like to think that whitebeard and the others knew about it, tried to stop kaido, but failed. It wouldn't be irrational. As we saw, Wano is extremely difficult to get into.

The big mom pirates themselves tried to enter the country only for them to get knocked back by king. Unless you know about the secret pass, which I don't think anybody does, the only way to get into wano is by the waterfall. Unfortunately, however, Kaido himself as well as his strongest commander both have zoans that make them masters of aerial combat.

Due to this, while Kaido might not have been able to defeat the whitebeard pirates in an actual battle, he could easily prevent them from invading wano by simply knocking them off the waterfall like King did to the big mom pirates

Huh?

And then Whitebeard is the guy to sail away and say "Ah man, they got us there. Nothing we can do about it, guess we all just forget about Oden and Wano. Sorry Izu ..." ?

It's massive PIS, plain and simple.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Can you really prevent Whitebeard from entering your territory, though? The guy entered Marineford while the top dogs of the Navy were expecting him, won't be easily stopped by King because not only he has Marco but ranged attacks himself, and on top of that he can summon seaquakes so I'm not sure about how challenging the waterfall really is.

Half of the Big Mom Pirates almost did it if not for King. I don't see why the whole Whitebeard Pirates wouldn't be able to reach the country, especially two decades ago when Kaido didn't fully control it.

I don't think its too unbelievable

King by himself was able to dispel an attack from a crew of big mom pirates, including several veterans, smoothie, and big mom herself.

Imagine if it was kaido who was on that waterfall instead.

Huh?

And then Whitebeard is the guy to sail away and say "Ah man, they got us there. Nothing we can do about it, guess we all just forget about Oden and Wano. Sorry Izu ..." ?

It's massive PIS, plain and simple.

I won't deny that this is probably a big part of it.

 

[farfan]

I still stand by the fact that kaido then wasnt as strong as kaido now, and he was an arrogant cunt too. Which cost him since oden sliced him in dragon form and wounded him heavily. Why he didnt just fight oden in human form like he did back in the castle is beyond my comprehension as they seemed pretty evenly matched. I guess he really wanted to show off his big dragon.

Indeed. In his Dragon form he's pretty much a big easy target for opponents. Even against Luffy it looked shit even though he was drunk obviously. But both times he finished off his opponents in his human form.

But I wish there was an explanation why he didnt use his Hybrid form against Oden. Surely that would have been the best option if you fight an opponent of that calibre.

 

[Igor_akainu_redog]

Marco ONLY Said that he dont imagined that wano was in such bad shape cause wano news never got out.

And thats not equal a : Him and the WBP didint know about oden Death or about kaido being in wano.

More like OF COURSE he knows oden was dead and kaido IS in wano for decades, but even with kaido there he never imagined that wano was doing so bad with Hunger, polution, smiles everywhere, slaves, prisioners and etc.

Oda didnt give us the explanation yet why WB knowing abouth oden Death and kaido being in wano he never made a move to avenge him ( even thought we know WB did NOTHING to avenge thatch death too).

 

[Afroking]

WB was just butt hurt . The scar he talked about with Shanks was Roger taking Oden from him. The man was deeply scarred. Oden left him,he became alcoholic and didn't care for him any longer.
________

Btw didn't the Ace novels say that Ace will come back in 5he future to liberate Wano ?
One more reason to completely ignore the Novels I'd say.

 

[sanjikun]

I’ve never liked Oden’s forced connection to Whitebeard and Roger, Oda tried too hard to make him powerful and important. Now it backfires.

This. I'd rather he just have let Oden be Oden the Samurai, and not a pirate. If he was a pirate, maybe he could have just have been on Roger's ship for a year, and that's it.

This dude literally called Whitebeard "aniki", and WB started a war that lead to the demise of the WBPs just for Ace.