General & Others The Whitebeard pirates never knew Wano was Kaido’s territory for 20 years

[sanjikun]

For all we know, WB may have thought that Oden was in good standings with Kaido. .

There is no scenario in which that is the case. Kaido is an evil motherfucker and everyone knows that, especially WB.

 

[Fujishiro]

Indeed. In his Dragon form he's pretty much a big easy target for opponents. Even against Luffy it looked shit even though he was drunk obviously. But both times he finished off his opponents in his human form.

But I wish there was an explanation why he didnt use his Hybrid form against Oden. Surely that would have been the best option if you fight an opponent of that calibre.

Seems like he went dragon for fodder control. Apparently there was a big battle so it wasnt just Oden and his scabbard but maybe others? Either way he was firing beams everywhere, even at Oden. Kaido was arrogant, he paid ofr it. Starting a 1vs1 after that huge wound was a big disadvantage.

But he was still willing to do it apparently, imo he saw oden distracted and stroke him. Then saw the hag, after that he had her killled. But i guess the stakes of the war( a country) was too big to pass up over having a redo.

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Indeed. In his Dragon form he's pretty much a big easy target for opponents. Even against Luffy it looked shit even though he was drunk obviously. But both times he finished off his opponents in his human form.

But I wish there was an explanation why he didnt use his Hybrid form against Oden. Surely that would have been the best option if you fight an opponent of that calibre.

He seemed to be fighting him in human form just fine. Idk.

 

[Owl Ki]

Don’t get me wrong, this is ass-level writing from Oda, but let me play Devil’s Advocate here:

Thatch himself was murdered right in front of Whitebeard (metaphorically) and Whitebeard was still the one to reject Ace’s desire to avenge him. Ace only left in spite of what everyone was telling him.

If I recall correctly, Whitebeard was against Ace going out specifically by himself to avenge Thatch as his experience/instincts were giving him uneasy vibes from the whole situation.

He still desired to avenge Thatch’s death and went to kill Blackbeard himself even in his shoddy physical condition.

Besides, failing to catch a single (initially) low key figure in the pirate world in a couple of months is incomparable to failing to confront one of the of the most notorious pirates in the world, that has stayed in one place of operations for the past 20 years.

Is it possible that Whitebeard knew Oden didn’t want any pirate’s help dealing with Kaido (Oden told Roger he didn’t need any help iirc), and thus maybe Whitebeard himself knew what happened to Oden but just didn’t tell anyone out of respect to Oden’s wishes?

Considering that Whitebeard went after Ace despite Ace continually yelling that they should not sacrifice themselves for him, Whitebeard would straight up not care about Oden’s desire to handle the situation by himself. He would involve himself anyway.

Idfk. Just trying to make sense of this lunacy.

An admirable attempt but ultimately futile. There is no sense to be made from contradictions.

 

[Drachenblut]

Yeah everyone tries hard to safe this but it's really simple.

BULLSHIT.

 

[OEKaneki]

If Ace would talk to Little Oars Junior about Wano due to something as insignificant as a hat, why would he never mention it to Izo?

Ace talked about Wano to little oars junior in a one-off where it wasn’t the main purpose of the conversation, which was that Oars head got hot so Ace made him a hat. That’s it. That’s all Ace said. He didn’t “talk” to him about Wano beyond saying.m he learned how to make a hat there.

So Izo is the sort of person that joins a crew that is all about family but does not give two shits over his sibling back in Wano? For over two decades? He never contacts them or finds the lack of contact suspicious when Oden should have opened the border over a decade ago?

Also, are the Whitebeard crew so utterly secretive of their own members, despite being family, that they never utter a single word of their past lives? What kind of family distrusts each other that much? Lel.

When has anyone in the story done that? Do tell. When has Luffy sent messages back to his home? When has Zoro sent messages back to his home? When has Nami sent messages back to her home?

Its not about being secretive, it’s about relevance. Luffy never mentioned his family. Zoro has never mentioned his past in detail. Sanji never mentioned past. Do they distrust their crew? Ace shouted at Luffy during the war that everyone is on their own journey doing their own thing. Luffy mentioned this when he first noticed Ace’s Vivre card after Thriller Bark. This is obviously a theme in the story.

So the entire World Government is fair game when they kidnap Ace despite Whitebeard’s crippling health condition but Kaido and Linlin, both of whom are individuals that Whitebeard should find abhorrent, are so much of a problem for Whitebeard in his prime that he gives up?

The two individuals he “should find so abhorrent” were also his crew mates for decades and stronger individually than anyone on Marineford, and together stronger than all of them there besides maybe Garp.

What extant? Kaido either is in charge and purposefully starving the local populace or he is not. Lel.

Or Kaido is in charge and not purposefully starving people, which we know to be false but it doesn’t mean Ace knew. And on top of that, it still doesn’t mean Ace knew of Udon, Smile, etc. So again, we’re right back to what Ace didn’t know.

All this sounds good, except that WB was founded on being someone who put family above all. Even his own life, as we saw in MF lol. So WB being talked out of confronting and killing Kaidou for killing Oden goes against what Oda has shown and told us

Interesting, because Marineford occured because Whitebeard was hesitant to chase after a family member who killed another family member. If that happened once, it’s not all that difficult to believe that Whitebeard would be hesitant to chase after a family member that killed a family member years prior to the first time we had seen it. Especially if it would have potentially involved a third family member.

 

[Sanji D Cook]

There is no scenario in which that is the case. Kaido is an evil motherfucker and everyone knows that, especially WB.

It does not matter if Kaido is evil or not, infomation of Oden's death did not leave Wano, so there was no reason for WB to invade Kaido's territory for vengeance.

 

[sanjikun]

It does not matter if Kaido is evil or not, infomation of Oden's death did not leave Wano, so there was no reason for WB to invade Kaido's territory for vengeance.

Kaido using Wano as his base of operation for 25 years meant that Oden was dead. There is no way around it.

 

[kentasaiba]

He could have said Oden died of an illness.

 

[Exodia.]

i expected a reason like oden didn’t want the wbp to go to war because of him or something but this the shittest reason i can think of they didn’t think hey kaido is wano we need to go to wano to make sure oden is fine

 

[Sanji D Cook]

Kaido using Wano as his base of operation for 25 years meant that Oden was dead. There is no way around it.

Based on what???? Oden befriended WB and Rogers. The plausibility is there for Oden to befriend Kaido from an outside view. Even if this is hard to fathom, why would WB suspect Kaido killed Oden?? What evidence is there that Oden's death was leak out of Wano, an isolated country. There is none.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

It's also good to point that Ace went to Wano in the last 5 years lol it makes no sense xD

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Unless you go there, you will not know what is going on. Yes Oden died, but how would WB know about that?

Inu and Neko.

 

[Fujishiro]

Inu and Neko.

And izo having a brother and never visiting her nor wondering what she’s doing then ace joking the wb pirates comes in and you think izo and ace won’t have any talk about wano? You serious.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

 

[OmegaPsyche]

If the WBP go to Wano to fight the BP they risk being severely weakened even if they win and risk being wiped out by another Yonko crew (BM).

That works as excuse imho.

That's not the problem, the problem is Marco not knowing how Oden died & state of Wano country

 

[Fn Lucci]

At no point is it said that Marco didn't know Oden was dead or that Kaido was in Wano. Even if Marco didn't, it wouldn't speak to a different character who's been buried for two years along with the secret knowledge of the world.

If Marco was going to Wano to help on that front, he would mention it at least once. But no, Neko doesn't mention it when he says Marco will help and doesn't discuss it with Marco. Marco doesn't discuss the situation with him and instead addresses his letter to Luffy.

So in 982, Marco is talking about the current situation, which is way beyond what it was two years ago or longer ago. He mentions the news and we saw that the Reverie has been over for about ten days as of this chapter.

And the last time we saw him was at both the beginning of Reverie and the emergence of the fifth emperor. That was the only news, you don't describe something from 20 years ago as news and you don't somehow avoid all mention of helping the samurai.

 

[zzShinichi]

Whitebeard literally addressed the reason why Oden and Kaido can't co-work with eachother

 

[Jiihad]

Interesting, because Marineford occured because Whitebeard was hesitant to chase after a family member who killed another family member. If that happened once, it’s not all that difficult to believe that Whitebeard would be hesitant to chase after a family member that killed a family member years prior to the first time we had seen it. Especially if it would have potentially involved a third family member.

WB specifically had a bad feeling about it, and told Ace to let it go, true. But once Ace got captured, what happened? WB basically declared War in tha World and tried to fight tha World Government to get one of his sons back. So why would he not fight one man for murdering his lil brother?

 

[OEKaneki]

WB specifically had a bad feeling about it, and told Ace to let it go, true. But once Ace got captured, what happened? WB basically declared War in tha World and tried to fight tha World Government to get one of his sons back. So why would he not fight one man for murdering his lil brother?

It’s not that he had a bad feeling about it, that’s not what I was getting at. The conflict was between Teach and Thatch. The bad feeling is one thing, but what I was trying to point out was that both Teach and Thatch were family, and he didn’t really make a move until family was only on one side (Ace as family, Marines not). With Wano, Whitebeard could have seen an issue of Oden (family), Kaido (family), and potentially Big Mom (family).

 

[Hurley Pirates]

Its really not that deep. WB supposed to just pull up and save the day for everybody? They were brothers yes but Oden still chose Roger over him and has his own life to live. He's technically not a WB pirate anymore and hadn't been for years by the time Kaido killed him.

Idk I feel like ya'll creating plotholes that dont really exist lol but dat me