General & Others The Whitebeard pirates never knew Wano was Kaido’s territory for 20 years

[Owl Ki]

Marco ONLY Said that he dont imagined that wano was in such bad shape cause wano news never got out.

If only there was someone on the crew who had recently been to Wano within the last few years that could tell him all about it.

And thats not equal a : Him and the WBP didint know about oden Death or about kaido being in wano.

So the Whitebeard Pirates can somehow possess the capabilities to find out about Oden’s death and Kaido ruling over Wano but not the fact that Kaido is openly running gulags?

More like OF COURSE he knows oden was dead and kaido IS in wano for decades, but even with kaido there he never imagined that wano was doing so bad with Hunger, polution, smiles everywhere, slaves, prisioners and etc.

Ace. Was. Literally. There.

Oda didnt give us the explanation yet why WB knowing abouth oden Death and kaido being in wano he never made a move to avenge him ( even thought we know WB did NOTHING to avenge thatch death too).

Whitebeard’s final act in life was to attempt to avenge Thatch’s death by killing Blackbeard. That was literally the last thing he committed himself to.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

I don't think its too unbelievable

King by himself was able to dispel an attack from a crew of big mom pirates, including several veterans, smoothie, and big mom herself.

Imagine if it was kaido who was on that waterfall instead.

But I have no reason to imagine if it was Kaido because he didn't even try to stop Big Mom himself in spite of losing his mind over the incoming war. And I don't really think King would have it so easy to stop the Moby-Dick with Marco and Whitebeard around, who aren't as arrogant as Big Mom, nor as slow, and on top of that we have precedents of these commanders actually blocking foes attacking them during Marineford. What are the chances that King is successing on kicking a ship with prime Beard on board (who was very hard to touch because of his observation and would have stopped even an unexpected betrayal from a beloved ally; imagine an enemy territory in a vulnerable situation, with Marco on top of that preventing Kizaru-like attacks).

I just find it really hard to accept that a Kaido that was ready for a war and King would be able to stop Whitebeard, Marco and company from reaching Wano, also because if they were rejected in the waterfall Whitebeard may manage to just take advantage of some seaquakes.

This. I'd rather he just have let Oden be Oden the Samurai, and not a pirate. If he was a pirate, maybe he could have just have been on Roger's ship for a year, and that's it.

This dude literally called Whitebeard "aniki", and WB started a war that lead to the demise of the WBPs just for Ace.

Exactly. One big obstacle with making some sense out of Oden is that he looks way too much like a fanfic character and there's a reason why these belong to, well, fanfics and fanfics alone: they don't fit in the actual plot. Oden felt like a non-canon character to me.

 

[sanjikun]

This is why Dressrosa is underrated. Yes, "dragging it out" is a problem, but not as much as just dumb plot holes that make no sense. That was a cogent arc storywise, from Law/Corazon, to Sabo and Fujitora and Burgess.

Exactly. One big obstacle with making some sense out of Oden is that he looks way too much like a fanfic character and there's a reason why these belong to, well, fanfics and fanfics alone: they don't fit in the actual plot. Oden felt like a non-canon character to me.

Oden is Oda trying to insert himself in the story, but disappeared too far up his own ass. The 25 to 20 year period "dancing" was bad enough to begin with.

 

[kom5]

Lol Wano is full of shit

first they gank up on two yonkos where the marines needed there entire force plus the shichibukai and Pacifista to face one yonko and even then assassinated him

now Big Mom is driven away from Kaido , the flying six search for Yamato, Sasaki is captured but not killed , Big Mom is like a week on the island but contact her children after 1 week lol lmao

Apoo can one shot Luffy , the alliance can be go to Kaido uncontested prob Jack and King head off for Luffy and co

And now this WB didnt know about Oden for 25 years he didnt even contact him everyone knows Wano is Kaidos turf at least he could send a convoy to look for Oden he just destroyed his crew for a spoiled child that was 2 years on his ship Oden was one the earlier and first members of WB

Oden, Thatch and Ace
Akainu was right about WB

 

[dirtyLarry]

This is why Dressrosa is underrated. Yes, "dragging it out" is a problem, but not as much as just dumb plot holes that make no sense. That was a cogent arc storywise, from Law/Corazon, to Sabo and Fujitora and Burgess.

Well, Dressrosa also had a boatload of PIS and plot conveniences to be honest.

 

[sanjikun]

Thinking back on it, literally one line could fix it

"We didn't have the numbers to defeat the combined force of Kaido and the Samurai."

Well, Dressrosa also had a boatload of PIS and plot conveniences to be honest.

Like? That was arc was very solid storywise.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Akainu was right about WB

@Fujishiro said this too lol.

@Bogard i told you
:cheers:

Nah, Whitebeard was neither pathetic, nor a loser. Akainu is just the most savage shit talker in the manga.

I would really like to hear Oda’s explanation for why Whitebeard (who’s entire life was dedicated to his family) never cared enough about Oden to bother finding out what had happened to him.

The real answer is that Oda hardcore screwed hindsight, but I’d like to hear Oda’s attempts to justify this.

 

[Bullet]

I will wait for the official it's impossible for Wb to not know what happened to Oden and even if he somehow didn't hear why wouldn't Neku and Inu tell him? I will still wait for clarification Oda isn't this stupid

 

[Jiihad]

On Whitebeard, nothing indicates that he didn’t act. Knowing exactly what is happening in Wano isn’t a requirement for that. I was just telling somebody in the spoiler thread that Kaido owes Big Mom a life debt. How many things exist in this world that would require Kaido to have his life saved to an extent that he would owe someone a life debt? The likeliest scenario is that Kaido killed Oden and Whitebeard found out, but was discussed from killing him by Big Mom, allowing him to keep his reign over Wano. Further than that, they closed off information leaking out of Wano and exact detail of the situation was never acquired by Whitebeard. Both can be true.

All this sounds good, except that WB was founded on being someone who put family above all. Even his own life, as we saw in MF lol. So WB being talked out of confronting and killing Kaidou for killing Oden goes against what Oda has shown and told us

 

[sanjikun]

I mean literally the biggest arc in One Piece so far was Whitebeard trying to save his 2nd division commander.

 

[kom5]

@Fujishiro said this too lol.

@Bogard i told you
:cheers:

Nah, Whitebeard was neither pathetic, nor a loser. Akainu is just the most savage shit talker in the manga.

I would really like to hear Oda’s explanation for why Whitebeard (who’s entire life was dedicated to his family) never cared enough about Oden to bother finding out what had happened to him.

The real answer is that Oda hardcore screwed hindsight, but I’d like to hear Oda’s attempts to justify this.

you know what all this years we had this debate I never thought that I would accidentally agree with you but this time even I cant protect WB from this shit storm

Oden was his family too you see I cant defend him

 

[Patryipe]

@Fujishiro said this too lol.

@Bogard i told you
:cheers:

Nah, Whitebeard was neither pathetic, nor a loser. Akainu is just the most savage shit talker in the manga.

I would really like to hear Oda’s explanation for why Whitebeard (who’s entire life was dedicated to his family) never cared enough about Oden to bother finding out what had happened to him.

The real answer is that Oda hardcore screwed hindsight, but I’d like to hear Oda’s attempts to justify this.

If the WBP go to Wano to fight the BP they risk being severely weakened even if they win and risk being wiped out by another Yonko crew (BM).

That works as excuse imho.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Don’t get me wrong, this is ass-level writing from Oda, but let me play Devil’s Advocate here:

Thatch himself was murdered right in front of Whitebeard (metaphorically) and Whitebeard was still the one to reject Ace’s desire to avenge him. Ace only left in spite of what everyone was telling him.

Is it possible that Whitebeard knew Oden didn’t want any pirate’s help dealing with Kaido (Oden told Roger he didn’t need any help iirc), and thus maybe Whitebeard himself knew what happened to Oden but just didn’t tell anyone out of respect to Oden’s wishes?

Idfk. Just trying to make sense of this lunacy. @Owl Ki @Den_Den_Mushi @Buusatan94 @Jiihad @Fujishiro @dizzy2341 etc etc etc

 

[Owl Ki]

If the WBP go to Wano to fight the BP they risk being severely weakened even if they win and risk being wiped out by another Yonko crew (BM).

That works as excuse imho.

So how come Whitebeard gave no fecks about this exact scenario with regards to Marineford?

 

[Patryipe]

So how come Whitebeard gave no fecks about this exact scenario with regards to Marineford?

MF was basically a worldwide affair with the Marines pissing straight into WB's face by publicly executing his designated heir. Plus by then WB had already one foot into the grave.

 

[Jiihad]

Don’t get me wrong, this is ass-level writing from Oda,

Full Stop, lmao. That’s tha beginning, middle and end of it bro

Even if WB wanted to respect Oden wishes. He didn’t respect Aces lol, Ace told em “I got this, it’s my responsibility” and WB still bumrushed MF to fix his mistake lol

 

[Owl Ki]

MF was basically a worldwide affair with the Marines pissing straight into WB's face by publicly executing his designated heir. Plus by then WB had already one foot into the grave.

So if someone kills Whitebeard’s friends quietly then he gives no shits, aye?

So much for “Never lay a finger on Whitebeard’s nakama”.

 

[Patryipe]

So if someone kills Whitebeard’s friends quietly then he gives no shits, aye?

So much for “Never lay a finger on Whitebeard’s nakama”.

He thought spreading fake news was easier than take action.

 

[Fujishiro]

Don’t get me wrong, this is ass-level writing from Oda, but let me play Devil’s Advocate here:

Thatch himself was murdered right in front of Whitebeard (metaphorically) and Whitebeard was still the one to reject Ace’s desire to avenge him. Ace only left in spite of what everyone was telling him.

Is it possible that Whitebeard knew Oden didn’t want any pirate’s help dealing with Kaido (Oden told Roger he didn’t need any help iirc), and thus maybe Whitebeard himself knew what happened to Oden but just didn’t tell anyone out of respect to Oden’s wishes?

Idfk. Just trying to make sense of this lunacy. @Owl Ki @Den_Den_Mushi @Buusatan94 @Jiihad @Fujishiro @dizzy2341 etc etc etc

Nah man while wb was trying to stop ace from avenging thatch, he himself was planning to. He had a bad feeling about letting ace go deal with teach and he was right.

Remember when ace told garp why dont you just execute me now, and garp answered that it wouldnt stop the war and wb from coming to make them pay? Thats how much of a no nonsense man WB was, no matter the reasoning/no matter what, even if oden was dead already he wouldve come. Well apparently he wouldnt have i guess. Oda is inconsistent as fuck.

 

[Sanji D Cook]

Here is my take on this issue. Wano is an isolation country. Unless you go there, you will not know what is going on. Yes Oden died, but how would WB know about that? For all we know, WB may have thought that Oden was in good standings with Kaido. Again, information does not come out of Wano. After Oden found the One Piece with Rogers, he went back to Wano where Kaido had set up shop as his territory. And from what I have surmised, the Emperors respected each others territory.

As for Ace, his small crew washed up on a small village of hungry people. Oden has been dead for 20 years. There was no reason for Oden's name to come up. The villagers mind was on Kaido, the Shogun, and their hunger.

What Marco said made sense. If WB knew Kaido had a hand in killing his "brother", WB would have sailed right into Wano looking for vengeance.