Future Events Zoro will NOT fight Kaido!

Will Zoro fight Kaido?

  • Yes

  • Yes and Zoro will cut him

  • Yes and Zoro will defeat him

  • Yes and Zoro will kill him

  • No

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Aknolagon

Aknolagon

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#21
#21
Even if this thread is telling something in a funny way, it's true that there is lots of hints. I don't remember Oda gave so many hints, foreshadowing in other arcs.

I am one of the few who don't expect anything from Kaido vs Zoro, maybe because I don't care.
But when i see all these parallels and hints, it would be so dumb and illogical if Oda doesn't let Zoro fight or even participate against Kaido. Even Kaido's introduction was about dying, but Oda could really kill a villain ?

But post skip is already so illogical :kriwhat:
 
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ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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#32
#32
Cinera said:
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Acknowledgements
Most of the evidence in this post were first identified by others. My only contribution is to collate them into one post and aggressively signal boost it. In particular, I am aware that I've drawn on the work of @Fiji, @KiriNigiri and @Xdrake in writing this post.

@Zenos7 has my eternal gratitude for his assistance in the panels


Introduction
Many people seem to think that Zoro will participate in the fight against Kaido in some signifcant capacity. Upon reviewing the evidence, it is clear that they are almost certainly wrong, and I wanted to cover a few reasons why.


Reasons Zoro Will Not Fight Kaido
Dragon Slaying
There is an article on dragons, from One Piece Magazine Volume 5:

Here is the relevant quote:

The article further provides a description of Eastern Dragons with a picture of Kaido:


If anything is going to come of this dragon slaying setup, then all instances point towards the Dragon being Kaido (as opposed to Orochi (a mythical serpent) or King (actually a dinosaur, but even if you consider him a Dragon, he's definitely not an Eastern one)).

Conclusion
The conclusion from the above is inescapable; Zoro will not fight Kaido in any significant capacity.
:rolaugh:


Enma
Zoro received one of Oden's swords Enma. Enma is one of only two swords to give Kaido his only (and quite a grievous one at that) scar:

Despite two of Oden's swords being used to scar Kaido, only Enma received the hype of the feat. Furthermore, when Zoro receives Enma, there is an editor's note referencing "inherited will":

Inherited will is one of the major themes of One Piece as exemplified by this quote of Gol D. Roger:

What other will did Zoro inherit that to slay Kaido and open the borders of Wanokuni:



Kawamatsu even mentions that the swords of fallen combatants shall be picked up by their comrades to continue the battle in their stead:

Conclusion
The conclusion from the above is inescapable; Zoro will not fight Kaido in any significant capacity.
:vistalaugh:


Ryuma
Shimotsuki Ryuma was known as the Sword God of Wano and valiantly defended the country against outsiders:

Zoro appears to be a Shimotsuki himself, from SBS Volume 96:

He bears quite the resemblance to Ryuma:


Both Zoro and Ryuma expressed the desire to become the World's Strongest Swordsman:


Both were blamed for crimes they did not commit. Zoro was blamed for a street murder and stealing Shusui:

Ryuma was blamed for summoning a dragon and called a murderer:


Ryuma is quite famous for slaying a Western Dragon:


Oda might be setting Zoro up as the second Ryuma. In order to credibly do so, Zoro would have to play a huge role in the defeat of the tyrant terrorising the country. This is very synergistic with the One Piece magazine mentioning that a new legend of slaying an Eastern Dragon will be born. Just as Ryuma had his own legend of slaying a Western Dragon:

So also might Zoro forge his own legend by slaying an Eastern Dragon.

Conclusion
The conclusion from the above is inescapable; Zoro will not fight Kaido in any significant capacity.
:suresure:


Oden
Synergistically with the Enma point, Oda has drawn many gratuitous parallels between Zoro and Oden:
  • Toki and Hiyori
    • Oden met the 26 years old Toki.
      • Zoro met the 26 years old Hiyori.
    • Oden rescued Toki and fainted.
      • Zoro rescued Hiyori and fainted.
    • Toki nursed Oden back to health.
      • Hiyori nursed Zoro back to health.
    • Toki cried in Oden's arm.
      • Hiyori cried in Zoro's arm.
  • Orochi
    • Both of them were furious at Orochi.
    • Orochi was frightened by them.
    • Both of them used Nitoryu in an attempt to kill Orochi.
    • Oden got stopped by the Bari Bari no Mi user.
      • Zoro got stopped by Denjiro.
  • Enma
    • Both of them are the only ones to successfully tame Enma.
  • Self sacrifice
    • Oden boiled for his men.
    • Zoro took Luffy's damage.
  • Naivete
    • Oden trusts a clearly evil guy Orochi with a ridiculous demand.
    • Zoro trusts a clearly evil guy Helmeppo with a ridiculous demand.
  • Kinemon
    • Oden rescued Kinemon from the Mountain God.
      • Zoro rescued Kinemon from the Punk Hazard Dragon.
    • The Boar cutting scene is constructed similarly to the Punk Hazard scene down to even Kin'emon being stuck to the boar with only his legs dangling off of it.

This collage captures it quite well I think:

Zoro has been setup to surpass Oden by accomplishing what Oden was unable to do in blackening Enma:

He may further surpass Oden by accomplishing what Oden was unable to do in defeating Kaido.

Conclusion
The conclusion from the above is inescapable; Zoro will not fight Kaido in any significant capacity.
:doffytroll:


Yasuie
Zoro quite clearly bonded with Yasuie:
http://imgur.com/a/0M6Q0CS

After his death Zoro swore to avenge him:

This is despite Zoro rarely fighting for revenge:

At Yasuie's execution he mentioned that no one has been able to take Kaido's head. The speech bubbles were placed directly above Zoro's head:

Conclusion
The conclusion from the above is inescapable; Zoro will not fight Kaido in any significant capacity.
:yasu:


Tiger vs Dragon
The theme of the tiger opposing the dragon is a very iconic in Eastern Mythology:

Kaido has been outright stated to be an Eastern Dragon:

He certainly resembles one:

Zoro has been depicted as a tiger on multiple occasions:


Oda has implemented the theme of the tiger vs the dragon in his cover pages:


Conclusion
The conclusion from the above is inescapable; Zoro will not fight Kaido in any significant capacity.
:gokulaugh:


Chapter 981
In chapter 981, Zoro specifically mentioned that he was conserving his strength to fight Kaido:

Conclusion
The conclusion from the above is inescapable; Zoro will not fight Kaido in any significant capacity.
:milaugh:


Conclusion
No matter how I look at it, there are several reasons that suggest that Zoro would most definitely not play any significant role in the battle with Kaido. My list of reasons above is non exhaustive, so if you identify any more reasons that Zoro will most definitely not fight Kaido, please inform me of them.
:cheers:


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All I would say after reading thread, and I didn't feel this way before reading this thread, that if Zoro actually doesn't do anything to Kaido, Oda is mentally retarded.
 
Fiji

Fiji

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#33
#33
ShishioIsBack said:
All I would say after reading thread, and I didn't feel this way before reading this thread, that if Zoro actually doesn't do anything to Kaido, Oda is mentally retarded.
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It would be the biggest case of Chekhov's Gun I will ever come across. Why introduce all of these story elements if they aren't going to be used? Zoro is not only gonna be a major player in the Kaido fight imo, he will be the one to land the final blow and kill him.
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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#34
#34
Fiji said:
It would be the biggest case of Chekhov's Gun I will ever come across. Why introduce all of these story elements if they aren't going to be used? Zoro is not only gonna be a major player in the Kaido fight imo, he will be the one to land the final blow and kill him.
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I have zero hopes in Oda as a writer, I think he is trash tier so it doesn't matter how much sense it would make, the smartest thing you can do as a One Piece reader is to have no hopes (Unless you are a Luffy fanboy).
 
Fujishiro

Fujishiro

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#38
#38
Fiji said:
I can understand this sentiment, but Oda neglecting all of this would be by far the most horrendous performance of his to date.
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I was onboard with your theory( still am) but i am kinda miffed you callled the yonko and i quote'' garbage'' on the grounds that their current showings arent the same as whitebeards which was allowed to go all out. Its kind of a petty stance to take to be honest. The one time we could gauge them was when bm/kaido fought offscreen making the island shake constantly( an island bigger than marineford by the way) and the force/shock of their clash reverberated way outside of it splitting the heavens/sea, that cannot just have been CoC, im sure physical strength was involved in it too.

TLDR: I feel its disingenuous to gauge people who were allowed to show more against people who were held off by plot( IE strawhats plotshield activation).


This is one of the many times oda went out of his way to put admirals/yonko in the same breath, they,imo, are all about equal. Chinjao who witnesses prime garp said this. Keep in mind that wb/roger never defeated any top tier 1vs1. Surpassing roger means defeating those 8 people. Any of the people in tht group gives atleast very high/extreme diff to the other. I feel like there is no reason to downplay a faction of this group to elevate the other. We should, in fact, elevate both and be happy to have so many strong people around. When other series tend to stray of that and powercreep to shit their cast.

Anyways, rant done, still love your kingdom reactions.

Cheers.
 
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