General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
I had forgotten about “cap giver”
ah the old Nakama thread, I might have to revisit.
ah the old Nakama thread, I might have to revisit.
Man I both miss and don't miss the old nakama thread, we lost some good memes
The term "cap" has no equivalent in english beside "destination" which isn't really it either. That's why I used that term and that's why its usage is perfectly legitimate ;)
Concerning the term itself and its relationship to the character, its different from Nami. Nami is the one that direct the ship on the sea, she is the one that makes it avoid calamities, she is also the ones that knows the seas and therefore the lands.
Robin's role is different. Its the point at the end of the road, the destination. She give literally, the "cap" to follow. For example, its because of Robin that we know where to heads off to find the One Piece and Laugh tale.
Concerning the term itself and its relationship to the character, its different from Nami. Nami is the one that direct the ship on the sea, she is the one that makes it avoid calamities, she is also the ones that knows the seas and therefore the lands.
Robin's role is different. Its the point at the end of the road, the destination. She give literally, the "cap" to follow. For example, its because of Robin that we know where to heads off to find the One Piece and Laugh tale.
I know what subtext is man. I'm just saying you always say "it's in the subtext" when your argument gets hard countered and then you never explain more. You have to actually explain how the subtext says this, you can't just throw the word out and and be done with it.
Zoro's role is "combatant" as per his vivre card, a cannon part of the story written by Oda. No subtext needed. That trumps anything in the live action obviously. You gotta be really desperate to use that as a source.
And yes, Nami is the one who performs the duties of first mate. A first mate is second in charge. Is Zoro the one barking orders at the rest of the crew during a crisis at sea or is it Nami? In reality, the strawhats simply don't have a first mate. I'm just saying that Zoro doesn't even act as an unofficial first mate, let alone an official one.
Zoro's role is "combatant" as per his vivre card, a cannon part of the story written by Oda. No subtext needed. That trumps anything in the live action obviously. You gotta be really desperate to use that as a source.
And yes, Nami is the one who performs the duties of first mate. A first mate is second in charge. Is Zoro the one barking orders at the rest of the crew during a crisis at sea or is it Nami? In reality, the strawhats simply don't have a first mate. I'm just saying that Zoro doesn't even act as an unofficial first mate, let alone an official one.
My arguments rarely get "hard countered". Further more I always explain in detail what I mean for a specific concept or a specific character's storyline in the subtext.
That's why I made that post for example:
Your answer ? "
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So please refrain from using intellectual laziness. I'm being ALWAYS very clear when I explain something and most of the time you guys brushs it off.. simply because you don't have the argumentation to back it up. So. Now, read this post because everything is explained.
Yes, but this is not his official post.
And you guys still haven't give anything related to Oda mentionning that Zoro is not a firstmate.
They do.
That's why I made that post for example:
Your answer ? "
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So please refrain from using intellectual laziness. I'm being ALWAYS very clear when I explain something and most of the time you guys brushs it off.. simply because you don't have the argumentation to back it up. So. Now, read this post because everything is explained.
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Yes, but this is not his official post.
And you guys still haven't give anything related to Oda mentionning that Zoro is not a firstmate.
They do.
If you bury your "subtext" under 10,000 words of unrelated drivel, I'm not going to see it. Also this post was ages ago, and the part about Zoro being first mate contains no explanation of "subtext" and doesn't adress my point. It's also blatantly wrong. You keep saying combatant isn't Zoro's official role, but it's literally listed as such in his vivre card. Your only counter is a line from the live action netflix adaptation for God's sake.
Of course there isn't anything that specifically says he's not the vice captain, just like there's nothing that says Nami's not the shipwright. Oda doesn't need to say what he's not, he needs to say what he is, which he did, and that's the combatant.
Of course there isn't anything that specifically says he's not the vice captain, just like there's nothing that says Nami's not the shipwright. Oda doesn't need to say what he's not, he needs to say what he is, which he did, and that's the combatant.
Anywhos I think Bonney has a decent bid to join the Straw Hats based on the Nika/Kuma/Buccaneer stuff and would be a beautiful addition to the main crew. She slots nicely between Robin and Franky power wise and has an extremely useful DF (and the skillset to solo raid Marie Jois).
Not going to lie though, Im keeping my hopes low since Yamato is likely joining once Momo is trained. 2 new crewmates at once would be a bit much, but tbh if Kuma doesnt die she literally has to follow them.
S-Bear, Vegapunk, Franky, Chopper could all feasibly spend the next arcs slowly rehabilitating Kuma while Bonney joins the crew for Nika/Dad purposes. Kuma once again takes up the role as gaurd dog for the Sunny, but this time he gets to stay when they return.
Not going to lie though, Im keeping my hopes low since Yamato is likely joining once Momo is trained. 2 new crewmates at once would be a bit much, but tbh if Kuma doesnt die she literally has to follow them.
S-Bear, Vegapunk, Franky, Chopper could all feasibly spend the next arcs slowly rehabilitating Kuma while Bonney joins the crew for Nika/Dad purposes. Kuma once again takes up the role as gaurd dog for the Sunny, but this time he gets to stay when they return.
It's...really not. You're literally using a french word and without even knowing it's true useage. Le "cap" c'est la direction prise par un navir ou avion en général, tu peux pas just dire "lmao it's fine cuz I said so". Let me pull out the definition for you from the Larousse:
Angle que forment la route suivie par un avion ou un navire et la direction du nord. (On distingue le cap vrai, mesuré par rapport au nord vrai, et le cap au compas, déterminé par rapport au nord indiqué par le compas.)
It's a direction, not a destination, based on the angle taken in relation to the North pole (whether magnetic or not). Also using a literal word taken from another language makes it lose its meaning, it's not a genuine or legimitate way to use it at all. I know you're not known for debating logically in spite of your name, but you can at least try to use words properly.
Literally not gonna give credit to this because you can't even use the words properly to formulate your theories. And the fact is, we have true roles given by Oda for each Nakama so far, and Robin was specifically given the "archeologist" role, you can go on about "cap giver" without even knowing the meaning of the word, but I recommend you look up the definitions for "navigator", "navigation" and "archeologist", maybe that'll give you a good idea of the difference between the roles.
There's a genuine chance for her to join, I agree. However considering Oda's track record when it comes to potential new crew members, I'd say it's best to not get attached just in case. She is a fun character and one I'd love to see more of, I agree (especially since the crew is a total sausagefest, so any new member is a plus), but I won't believe she'll join until we actually see it, 100% confirmed and it happens in the manga.
Angle que forment la route suivie par un avion ou un navire et la direction du nord. (On distingue le cap vrai, mesuré par rapport au nord vrai, et le cap au compas, déterminé par rapport au nord indiqué par le compas.)
It's a direction, not a destination, based on the angle taken in relation to the North pole (whether magnetic or not). Also using a literal word taken from another language makes it lose its meaning, it's not a genuine or legimitate way to use it at all. I know you're not known for debating logically in spite of your name, but you can at least try to use words properly.
Literally not gonna give credit to this because you can't even use the words properly to formulate your theories. And the fact is, we have true roles given by Oda for each Nakama so far, and Robin was specifically given the "archeologist" role, you can go on about "cap giver" without even knowing the meaning of the word, but I recommend you look up the definitions for "navigator", "navigation" and "archeologist", maybe that'll give you a good idea of the difference between the roles.
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There's a genuine chance for her to join, I agree. However considering Oda's track record when it comes to potential new crew members, I'd say it's best to not get attached just in case. She is a fun character and one I'd love to see more of, I agree (especially since the crew is a total sausagefest, so any new member is a plus), but I won't believe she'll join until we actually see it, 100% confirmed and it happens in the manga.
A clear and detailed analysis is "10000 words of unrelated drivel" 
This doesn't mean he is not more. Zoro is a right hand man or first mate whatever you want to call it and I really don't understand why you fight this when this is written OBVIOUSLY in both all over the place in the subtext of the manga (the speeches of ZOro, the way Oda draws him, his place in the crew etc.) and in script of the live action which is AGAIN, a clearly and micro reviewed support by Oda himself.
At this point its like denying that Nami took time to ask for help because she couldn't rely on "friends". Its the deny of obvious narrative pattern and I really don't understand that you with your understanding of script written isn't able to understand that.
Okay, so Jinbe was not a shipwright before his officialization then. See your logic is fallacious.
When an animal eats like a cat, moew like a cat, looks a cat, and poop like a cat, then ITS A CAT.
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Cela depend des utilisations. De plus le terme cap englobe dans l'usage la destination ET la direction. Voilà pourquoi j'utilise ce terme.
Tu devrais savoir que c'est l'usage qui fait loi, donc tu peux ranger le Larousse.
Ensuite, si le terme ne te convient pas, je t'invite, au lieu de jouer les jean-academicien, à me proposer un autre terme plus approprié qui englobe les notions de limite, destination et de direction. Merci d'avance. Et en anglais s'il te plait.
If you are unable to go beyond what Oda "says" in the line of dialogue or a narrative bubble, you might have hard time understanding One Piece at all and its logical that you won't understand why I use the terms "cap giver/destination giver" for Robin.
This doesn't mean he is not more. Zoro is a right hand man or first mate whatever you want to call it and I really don't understand why you fight this when this is written OBVIOUSLY in both all over the place in the subtext of the manga (the speeches of ZOro, the way Oda draws him, his place in the crew etc.) and in script of the live action which is AGAIN, a clearly and micro reviewed support by Oda himself.
At this point its like denying that Nami took time to ask for help because she couldn't rely on "friends". Its the deny of obvious narrative pattern and I really don't understand that you with your understanding of script written isn't able to understand that.
Okay, so Jinbe was not a shipwright before his officialization then. See your logic is fallacious.
When an animal eats like a cat, moew like a cat, looks a cat, and poop like a cat, then ITS A CAT.
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Cela depend des utilisations. De plus le terme cap englobe dans l'usage la destination ET la direction. Voilà pourquoi j'utilise ce terme.
Tu devrais savoir que c'est l'usage qui fait loi, donc tu peux ranger le Larousse.
Ensuite, si le terme ne te convient pas, je t'invite, au lieu de jouer les jean-academicien, à me proposer un autre terme plus approprié qui englobe les notions de limite, destination et de direction. Merci d'avance. Et en anglais s'il te plait.
If you are unable to go beyond what Oda "says" in the line of dialogue or a narrative bubble, you might have hard time understanding One Piece at all and its logical that you won't understand why I use the terms "cap giver/destination giver" for Robin.
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A clear and detailed analysis is "10000 words of unrelated drivel"
This doesn't mean he is not more. Zoro is a right hand man or first mate whatever you want to call it and I really don't understand why you fight this when this is written OBVIOUSLY in both all over the place in the subtext of the manga (the speeches of ZOro, the way Oda draws him, his place in the crew etc.) and in script of the live action which is AGAIN, a clearly and micro reviewed support by Oda himself.
At this point its like denying that Nami took time to ask for help because she couldn't rely on "friends". Its the deny of obvious narrative pattern and I really don't understand that you with your understanding of script written isn't able to understand that.
Okay, so Jinbe was not a shipwright before his officialization then. See your logic is fallacious.
When an animal eats like a cat, moew like a cat, looks a cat, and poop like a cat, then ITS A CAT.
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Cela depend des utilisations. De plus le terme cap englobe dans l'usage la destination ET la direction. Voilà pourquoi j'utilise ce terme.
Tu devrais savoir que c'est l'usage qui fait loi, donc tu peux ranger le Larousse.
Ensuite, si le terme ne te convient pas, je t'invite, au lieu de jouer les jean-academicien, à me proposer un autre terme plus approprié qui englobe les notions de limite, destination et de direction. Merci d'avance. Et en anglais s'il te plait.
If you are unable to go bbeyond what Oda "says" in the line of dialogue or a narrative bubble, you might have hard time understanding One Piece at all and its logical that you won't understand why I use the terms "cap giver/destination giver" for Robin.
This doesn't mean he is not more. Zoro is a right hand man or first mate whatever you want to call it and I really don't understand why you fight this when this is written OBVIOUSLY in both all over the place in the subtext of the manga (the speeches of ZOro, the way Oda draws him, his place in the crew etc.) and in script of the live action which is AGAIN, a clearly and micro reviewed support by Oda himself.
At this point its like denying that Nami took time to ask for help because she couldn't rely on "friends". Its the deny of obvious narrative pattern and I really don't understand that you with your understanding of script written isn't able to understand that.
Okay, so Jinbe was not a shipwright before his officialization then. See your logic is fallacious.
When an animal eats like a cat, moew like a cat, looks a cat, and poop like a cat, then ITS A CAT.
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Cela depend des utilisations. De plus le terme cap englobe dans l'usage la destination ET la direction. Voilà pourquoi j'utilise ce terme.
Tu devrais savoir que c'est l'usage qui fait loi, donc tu peux ranger le Larousse.
Ensuite, si le terme ne te convient pas, je t'invite, au lieu de jouer les jean-academicien, à me proposer un autre terme plus approprié qui englobe les notions de limite, destination et de direction. Merci d'avance. Et en anglais s'il te plait.
If you are unable to go bbeyond what Oda "says" in the line of dialogue or a narrative bubble, you might have hard time understanding One Piece at all and its logical that you won't understand why I use the terms "cap giver/destination giver" for Robin.
