You make solid points here I’m surprised Kiz is in the state he’s in without showing an awakening or some ultimate attack, not saying he won’t be active again shortly but no one really gets incapacitated before showing their best stuff. That was an interesting observation I didn’t realize it said only some fruits can awaken that puts certain things into perspective for me.
Powers & Abilities Its time to accept admirals dont have any advanced abilities
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Why quick to judge based on Luffy vs Kizaru? It is true and no one can deny that Admirals haven't shown us anything impressive. But i wouldn't just go and call it out now. We need an actual real fight against an admiral.
As for future sight.. dude the priests on skypiea had something close to future sight. Even their defeat is played out the way Luffy discovered Katakuri's future sight as in "we lost focus of our mantra". So if we are already willing to discount future sights on admirals as of now.. I think we are being too hasty.
Don't get me wrong thinking that i am defending. I am only saying we seen nothing and its embarrassing for the admirals not showing anything against Garp/Luffy.
As for future sight.. dude the priests on skypiea had something close to future sight. Even their defeat is played out the way Luffy discovered Katakuri's future sight as in "we lost focus of our mantra". So if we are already willing to discount future sights on admirals as of now.. I think we are being too hasty.
Don't get me wrong thinking that i am defending. I am only saying we seen nothing and its embarrassing for the admirals not showing anything against Garp/Luffy.
Zoro might fight Kizaru, that's how it'll be challenging.
Forget about Nika fighting Kizaru, this hasn't been a proper matchup for the yonko and threat that Nika poses. One Nika punch was sufficient to paralyze the admiral.
Saturn is Nika's opponent.
Nika will defeat Saturn and get a bounty into the 4-5b range (higher than Shanks').
Zoro will defeat Kizaru and get a bounty into the 3b range.
Sanji will defeat Lucci and get a bounty into the 2.5b range.
Egghead is an arc where the SHs will get closer to their dream.
Luffy will surpass Shanks and meet him in Elbaf to give him the SH back.
Zoro will get closer to Mihawk.
Forget about Nika fighting Kizaru, this hasn't been a proper matchup for the yonko and threat that Nika poses. One Nika punch was sufficient to paralyze the admiral.
Saturn is Nika's opponent.
Nika will defeat Saturn and get a bounty into the 4-5b range (higher than Shanks').
Zoro will defeat Kizaru and get a bounty into the 3b range.
Sanji will defeat Lucci and get a bounty into the 2.5b range.
Egghead is an arc where the SHs will get closer to their dream.
Luffy will surpass Shanks and meet him in Elbaf to give him the SH back.
Zoro will get closer to Mihawk.
Your cog in the machine failed his mission and was slower than usual because of Nika.
Given that he gave it all not to fail his mission, it is safe to assume he gave his best to achieve the mission and already displayed most of his arsenal.
Do you really believe that Kizaru still has a lot under his sleeve given that Nika had to use his awakened powers and use his 2nd strongest attack?
Don't be delusional.
Given that he gave it all not to fail his mission, it is safe to assume he gave his best to achieve the mission and already displayed most of his arsenal.
Do you really believe that Kizaru still has a lot under his sleeve given that Nika had to use his awakened powers and use his 2nd strongest attack?
Don't be delusional.
I have to disagree with you here. The build up of Kizaru coming here till he got punched to the face. Is bad for either side..
Kizaru was going on about trying not to kill etc.. even he tried to ignore Nika but had to face him. Luffy himself fought him for a reason.
Its stupid way for Oda not making this fight a serious one by having Kizaru claims before hand that he isn't willing to do X.
Because what if it turns out that Kizaru can get up but he chose not to as an excuse because it was Nika who put him down.
As for the matchup.. I still don't think Saturn will be beaten here or Kizaru because i think the SH will run away. I know we are waiting for something shocking to happen but isn't too obvious if it was just beating X character?.
Kizaru was going on about trying not to kill etc.. even he tried to ignore Nika but had to face him. Luffy himself fought him for a reason.
Its stupid way for Oda not making this fight a serious one by having Kizaru claims before hand that he isn't willing to do X.
Because what if it turns out that Kizaru can get up but he chose not to as an excuse because it was Nika who put him down.
As for the matchup.. I still don't think Saturn will be beaten here or Kizaru because i think the SH will run away. I know we are waiting for something shocking to happen but isn't too obvious if it was just beating X character?.
Holy cope, "Kizaru can get up but he chose not to as an excuse"
Here we go again
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Nika is defeating Saturn (Gorosei - highest of the celestial dragons), that's the shocking event
Here we go again
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Nika is defeating Saturn (Gorosei - highest of the celestial dragons), that's the shocking event
*Canoncially stated that an admiral's fighting ability is tied to their destruction*
*canoncially shown Admirals being told to ease up on their powers and damage control*
*Canoncially shown island wide range with a causal wave of an arm*
*canonically shown island wide destruction as a side effect of using their powers unrestrained*
Some people: "It doesn't matter if the Admirals never used full strength. Let's jump ahead and place limits on them!" when characters don't reveal advanced haki till some 1k chapters later.
So Admirals are still top tiers capable of beating Emperors without advanced haki now....They so OP...
*canoncially shown Admirals being told to ease up on their powers and damage control*
*Canoncially shown island wide range with a causal wave of an arm*
*canonically shown island wide destruction as a side effect of using their powers unrestrained*
Some people: "It doesn't matter if the Admirals never used full strength. Let's jump ahead and place limits on them!" when characters don't reveal advanced haki till some 1k chapters later.
So Admirals are still top tiers capable of beating Emperors without advanced haki now....They so OP...
LMAO.. i knew you would get me wrong.. i only said what if. 
Clearly you never got my point.
In Short. It was embarrassing for admirals for showing nothing. And Oda gave some stupid excuse from the get go. So if Kizaru turned out he could get up. Then everything that happened is just an idiotic way to give a reason for Saturn to come on the island.
Clearly you never got my point.
In Short. It was embarrassing for admirals for showing nothing. And Oda gave some stupid excuse from the get go. So if Kizaru turned out he could get up. Then everything that happened is just an idiotic way to give a reason for Saturn to come on the island.
LMAO.. i knew you would get me wrong.. i only said what if.
Clearly you never got my point.
In Short. It was embarrassing for admirals for showing nothing. And Oda gave some stupid excuse from the get go. So if Kizaru turned out he could get up. Then everything that happened is just an idiotic way to give a reason for Saturn to come on the island.
Clearly you never got my point.
In Short. It was embarrassing for admirals for showing nothing. And Oda gave some stupid excuse from the get go. So if Kizaru turned out he could get up. Then everything that happened is just an idiotic way to give a reason for Saturn to come on the island.
:cheers:
Actually this arc makes it even more obvious that Kizaru has future sight as he used the exact same move as katakuri.
It's not future sight, it's called dodging an attack.
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- Kuzan and Kizaru, Gb, Akainu without FS.
- Kuzan and Kizaru, Gb, Fujitora, Akainu, all without COC so far.
- Kuzan and Kizaru, Gb, Akainu, Fujitora, all without Ryou.
- Perhaps Kizaru, Kuzan, and Akainu only have a barrier...
- None of them possess the awakening, that's the same as claiming that Sengoku is awakened too.
Kizaru was indeed disabled, paralyzed, and knocked down to the point of being on the ground trembling by a blow weaker than the attacks that Kaido withstands.
with the exception of barrier haki , i doubt we can say admirals got any advanced ability
for me , the chart is like this :
basic ---------------------------------- advanced
observation -------------------------- future sight
armament -----------------------------barrier haki ----------------internal destruction
conquerors --------------------------- advanced conquerors haki
Devil fruit ----------------------------- devil fruit awakening
the only advanced ability confirmed for admirals is having barrier haki :
but things like future sight , advanced conquerors or even awakening ( which many expected ) have not been shown
1. future sight
i used to think admirals had future sight cause of their feats shown at marineford
it looked awfully alike katakuri who sees the future and reform his body to dodge the attack
but future sight isnt necessary to do this
so what the admirals have been doing can just be them using basic coo to dodge their opponent
now admirals are easily getting blitzed by other strong opponents
i mean getting blitzed doesnt mean u dont have future sight
but oda has always explicitly shown if a character has future sight or not
maybe with the exception of fujitora , i dont see any other admiral having future sight
2. advanced conquerors
we have seen kizaru show his full strength and there was no sign of conquerors haki much less advanced conquerors
and if kizaru hasnt shown advanced conquerors , i think its very safe to say other admirals also dont have it
there simply cannot be the case of 1 admiral having advanced conquerors while the other doesnt
admirals are portrayed on the same level , a conquerors haki buff will place a huge gap between them
its very similar to how all the yonkos have shown advanced conquerors ( with the exception of blackbeard who has an additional toptier df to fill the gap )
3. awakening
admirals are always highlighted as devil fruit monsters
many people expected them to finally show what logia awakening is
but unfortunately , we never got that
and we have also seen kizaru go all out
oda will never show a toptier getting defeated without even showing his true form
people thought punk hazard was the result of aokiji and akainu's logia awakening
but it can simply be their basic df powers
i mean it isnt very hard for aokiji to create ice mountains
he can simply freeze them in seconds
akainu might also have something like that up his sleeve
this df awakening thing is basically linked with every toptier who has a df
people were disappointed that kaido and bigmom werent awakened either
and now its the admirals
i think many people forget that only some devil fruits can awaken
its not that kaido is not as skilled as lucci to awaken his devil fruit
its simply that his df cant awaken
the same is with the admirals
so the things i expected admirals to show was :
- future sight
- df awakening
but they didnt even have that
quite a disappointment
for me , the chart is like this :
basic ---------------------------------- advanced
observation -------------------------- future sight
armament -----------------------------barrier haki ----------------internal destruction
conquerors --------------------------- advanced conquerors haki
Devil fruit ----------------------------- devil fruit awakening
the only advanced ability confirmed for admirals is having barrier haki :
but things like future sight , advanced conquerors or even awakening ( which many expected ) have not been shown
1. future sight
i used to think admirals had future sight cause of their feats shown at marineford
it looked awfully alike katakuri who sees the future and reform his body to dodge the attack
but future sight isnt necessary to do this
so what the admirals have been doing can just be them using basic coo to dodge their opponent
now admirals are easily getting blitzed by other strong opponents
i mean getting blitzed doesnt mean u dont have future sight
but oda has always explicitly shown if a character has future sight or not
maybe with the exception of fujitora , i dont see any other admiral having future sight
2. advanced conquerors
we have seen kizaru show his full strength and there was no sign of conquerors haki much less advanced conquerors
and if kizaru hasnt shown advanced conquerors , i think its very safe to say other admirals also dont have it
there simply cannot be the case of 1 admiral having advanced conquerors while the other doesnt
admirals are portrayed on the same level , a conquerors haki buff will place a huge gap between them
its very similar to how all the yonkos have shown advanced conquerors ( with the exception of blackbeard who has an additional toptier df to fill the gap )
3. awakening
admirals are always highlighted as devil fruit monsters
many people expected them to finally show what logia awakening is
but unfortunately , we never got that
and we have also seen kizaru go all out
oda will never show a toptier getting defeated without even showing his true form
people thought punk hazard was the result of aokiji and akainu's logia awakening
but it can simply be their basic df powers
i mean it isnt very hard for aokiji to create ice mountains
he can simply freeze them in seconds
akainu might also have something like that up his sleeve
this df awakening thing is basically linked with every toptier who has a df
people were disappointed that kaido and bigmom werent awakened either
and now its the admirals
i think many people forget that only some devil fruits can awaken
its not that kaido is not as skilled as lucci to awaken his devil fruit
its simply that his df cant awaken
the same is with the admirals
so the things i expected admirals to show was :
- future sight
- df awakening
but they didnt even have that
quite a disappointment
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