General & Others Be honest, do you think One Piece is in it's way to be a historical masterpiece?

[VinTheMistborn]

A masterpiece? No. I think people will look back at One Piece with more critical lens, but still love it. It happens to most manga.
A historical masterpiece? Absolutely not. Manga is becoming more popular but it’s still niche compared to comic books and novels.

 

[Moegara]

Cope by jealous writers unable to sell their shitty creations.

If something becomes worldwide successful and sells a lot, it must be something good about it.

I do not appreciate being quoted for such an ignorant remark.

 

[haxxor]

Every series will have its flaw at some point

weve constantly shit on odas inconsistency, but we also stay tuned, no other series has a fandom like this nor the hype

it doesn’t have to be strictly the best writing for the series itself to be the best, One Piece is a historical masterpiece of anime/manga just like Naruto and Dragon Ball

imo the big 3 is Naruto, Dragon ball and one piece

they don’t have the best story telling but overall they’re more balanced , enough to stand on top.

In terms of Anime/Manga it is a historical masterpiece
Overall? Probably not

 

[Tai long]

Your argument is like saying McDonald's is better than what Ferran Adrià can cook because they have sold more, or that Gasolina by Daddy Yankee is better than Dvorak's "From the New World" for the same reason.

Something created to appease mass market can be extremely popular either because of its entertainment value or how cheap it is, but it will objectively be of inferior quality, not as a product, but as a work of art. There's nothing wrong in enjoying a cheap of entertaining product just because you like it: I like plenty of "pop" stuff myself, but there as mentioned there does exist objective criteria to recognize something as an actual masterpiece.

I'm not sure why would die on such a hill. I'm guessing you studied something more scientific and have never had any particular respect or interest in literature or writing? I can understand that, but do keep in mind that you're perfectly entitled to not liking Shakespeare or Orwell, that doesn't make your taste good or bad, nor some of their work any less of a masterpiece.

I didn't enjoy reading Don Quixote de la Mancha, so I wouldn't buy it for myself or read it again. Mostly because it's too full of clever references to its own day and age that completely fly over the heads of current day readers (actually quite similar to Alice in Wonderland, but the more fantastical setting keeps that one fresh regardless so I did quite like that one), but I acknowledge its worth and the fact that it's a masterpiece for it's literary merits.


TL;DR: masterpieces exist and sales isn't a criteria. Anything like 50 Shades of Gray can become a best seller, but there is nothing to praise whatsoever about the way it's written.

So you are telling me a random 5 star restaurant is better cemented in history compared to McDonald

 

[Moegara]

So you are telling me a random 5 star restaurant is better cemented in history compared to McDonald

A "random" 5 Star Restaurant that invented whole new revolutionary cooking methods like spherification?

Absolutely yes: it is better cemented in history compared to some fast food restaurant.

Regardless, you didn't ask the right question. The relevant question to the topic at hand would have been: is the work of said chef more of a historic masterpiece? Yes. McDonald's existence being remembered or longer lasting doesn't make it any better culinarily, just like Despacito being played every summer for all eternity wouldn't add to its merits in terms of how it's composed.

Anyway, even if Ferran still wins on that front, you moved the goalposts to "being cemented in history" in general terms instead of being cemented as masterpieces, as we were discussing. Not cool. Difference being, if it's not clear by its own: McDonald's will be remembered in history for different reasons than the value of its food, be it quality or innovation.

 

[sanjikun]

I think some of you need to read some actual novels lol. Mangakas are first and foremost artists, not writers.

Oda's done a great job at creating this vast, expansive world with countless characters but he doesn't really compare to actual novelists. Even something like GoT. Read the books and you'll see the chasm between Oda and a real writer.

 

[Reborn]

When it comes to manga it might go down as masterpiece. It's too big and there is nothing that come close to it. So it will be historical


However, I don't think one piece stands a chance against actual novels.

Apples and oranges

 

[PeronaNerona]

Egghead is pretty good so far, but before Egghead we had more than a decade of crap chapters.

Anything that has more than a decade of bad content can't be a masterpiece.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

I do not appreciate being quoted for such an ignorant remark.

Let me guess: no one can understand how deep and insightful your art is?

 

[vikas]

I believe people will understandably consider naruto to be the one over one piece... Not even talking about being legendary

 

[Moegara]

Let me guess: no one can understand how deep and insightful your art is?

I am not an artist.

 

[Gauntlet]

Let me guess: no one can understand how deep and insightful your art is?

What's so hard to understand that under a critical and objective viewpoint, One Piss can't even stand in the shadows of a masterpiece like Lord of the Rings, even in world building?

 

[CensoredbyWG]

What's so hard to understand that under a critical and objective viewpoint, One Piss can't even stand in the shadows of a masterpiece like Lord of the Rings, even in world building?

Lord of the rings is overrated to the MOON.

OP much more interesting.

 

[Juanpiz]

Mention a universal classic and please don’t mention random old Shakespeare book that no one has read

Works by Cervantes, moliere and Goethe
For the new world twain, Marquez etc

 

[RebelliousSoma]

At the current rate, the Kagurabachi has a better chance of at least becoming a historical meme.

One Piece is lucky to have a Live Action it's great, but it will all depend on whether Oda manages to not fuck up the series ending or even final saga.

 

[Owl Ki]

Comparing the cultural impact of One Piece compared to Shakespeare or Lord of the Rings is just... stupid really. Lol.

Shakespeare's cultural impact isn't just from his stories, it is from the fact that he is responsible for either popularising or flat out creating over a thousand words in the English language, one of the most widely spoken languages on the planet today.

The cultural impact of Lord of the Rings is that LotR basically set the standards of the fantasy genre. The standard, popular tropes for Orcs, Dwarves, Elves, Ents etc. etc. can trace their origins to Tolkien's work.

In One Piece, has Oda created a work that has set the foundations for a genre of fiction for generations? Has Oda created a work that heavily impacts an entire language? Going on about "muh sales" in comparison is hilariously trivial.

The answer is no and that isn't a bad thing. It is exceedingly difficult to reach such heights. One Piece is very popular but it is not that culturally impactful, especially outside of Japan . As such, it is not going to be some "historical masterpiece" that will have scholars pouring over its contents. It will be remembered as a popular and entertaining story that a lot of people liked which is a perfectly fine thing for a mangaka to achieve.

 

[Juanpiz]

Comparing the cultural impact of One Piece compared to Shakespeare or Lord of the Rings is just... stupid really. Lol.

Shakespeare's cultural impact isn't just from his stories, it is from the fact that he is responsible for either popularising or flat out creating over a thousand words in the English language, one of the most widely spoken languages on the planet today.

The cultural impact of Lord of the Rings is that LotR basically set the standards of the fantasy genre. The standard, popular tropes for Orcs, Dwarves, Elves, Ents etc. etc. can trace their origins to Tolkien's work.

In One Piece, has Oda created a work that has set the foundations for a genre of fiction for generations? Has Oda created a work that heavily impacts an entire language? Going on about "muh sales" in comparison is hilariously trivial.

The answer is no and that isn't a bad thing. It is exceedingly difficult to reach such heights. One Piece is very popular but it is not that culturally impactful, especially outside of Japan . As such, it is not going to be some "historical masterpiece" that will have scholars pouring over its contents. It will be remembered as a popular and entertaining story that a lot of people liked which is a perfectly fine thing for a mangaka to achieve.

Better question would have been "will Oda remembered among the Japanese artists?" bc Mangas rely heavily on images

 

[Buusatan94]

By shonen standards One Piece is already historical in terms of success and worldwide readership, as well as spin-offs, though I surely wouldn't call it a masterpiece in terms of writing especially not after the Yonko saga that made me open my eyes about the manga flaws and killed a good portion of my appreciation for the manga (Wano in particular).

It surely will be remembered for a very long time by manga fans and critics, though I doubt that it will ever match Dragon Ball in terms of fame, impact nd legacy and it didn't revolutionize manga or litterature in any way.

 

[Juanpiz]

By shonen standards One Piece is already historical in terms of success and worldwide readership, as well as spin-offs, though I surely wouldn't call it a masterpiece in terms of writing especially not after the Yonko saga that made me open my eyes about the manga flaws and killed a good portion of my appreciation for the manga (Wano in particular).

It surely will be remembered for a very long time by manga fans and critics, though I doubt that it will ever match Dragon Ball in terms of fame and legacy and it didn't revolutionize manga or litterature in any way.

Db is the money machine that keeps going on

 

[Tai long]

Works by Cervantes, moliere and Goethe
For the new world twain, Marquez etc

yeah books that average people don't know or care about