General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
@Paperchampion23 do you think kuma’s original body will join or just his fruit or even just his memories somehow?
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Oda said in the new SBS that Caribou didn't hear Luffy's dream, & that emphasizes that only a special group of characters should know.
that group includes Shanks (the pirate who inspired Luffy, and gave him the straw hat), Reighley (spent two years training Luffy), SHs, Luffy's brothers, & Yamato, and out of all those characters, Yamato is the only one who still have no reason to know Luffy's dream, so the only reason for Yamato to know Luffy's dream is that she will join, Oda would have never let her know if she's not going to join.
that group includes Shanks (the pirate who inspired Luffy, and gave him the straw hat), Reighley (spent two years training Luffy), SHs, Luffy's brothers, & Yamato, and out of all those characters, Yamato is the only one who still have no reason to know Luffy's dream, so the only reason for Yamato to know Luffy's dream is that she will join, Oda would have never let her know if she's not going to join.
Really ?
Is this good character design for you ?
I'm sure theremight be good stories. Tho I wouldn't go as far as saying that there are good character designs in this project.
But maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm not looking at it correctly, can you give me the top 10 character design of this project please ?
That's basically what creating a story for the character means. Some give the character an amazing background and some give just key points but the creation of the identity of the character ALMOST ALWAYS preceeds the actual design research.
This is - despite what V4N is trying to tell you - how it works in the industry. At least if you work on project where there is a goal for the character more than just being the subject of a poster or an illustration.
I'm not denying it doesn't exist. It can in some case. In fact in the entertainment industry, the fact of using randomness can help the creating process. Example herewith fengZhu:
BUT, those are only done on early stage and even when you are silhouetting a character there is always some guidelines you need to follow first. Here are some example of people explaining their method:
Again you need to understand that by "telling a story of your character before the design" doesn't necessaraly means that you will give the character all basic rules of characterization and development and start the plotline or the outlining of the development of the character. No. It means that you need some guidelines, and the more the guidelines the better (design relevant guidelines, we don't care about the blood type of the character during the design process)
Damn, this give me motivation to work a little so I will give you my own example:
Let's say I want to create a character in the universe of One Piece:
1. First I put on paper a list of characterization guidelines (what I'm talking about by story). here I want the character to be:
- A Teenager / young adult
- Joyfull
- Smart and ressourcefull
- From a high dinasty lineage
- Surviving on its own.
- Pirate at hearth
Why ? (Don't mind the mistake, I'm doing this on the fly)
Let's say that that Hitori ("one person") is destined to be a princess of the Fire kingdom, a small kindgom where fire is used as an art in all types of fields. 10 years old and with no survival instinct of her own, she has only one thing in mind, to explore the world one day like a pirate to find the Eternal flame, a mythical and magical flame, from the legends of her people, that can shine brightly and proudly through darkness and never decrease.
One day, when escaping the sight of her mother and father, the girl finds a little raft boat alone in the seas, no one aboard. In it, lies a a big box of fruits. When she looks inside, there is a strange yellow fruit. Without hesitation, she bites into the fruit but is immediately seen by people and workers of the kindgom. They sound the alarm that the princess is trying to escape again. One of the weapon forger, a friend of her, notice the incident and hides her into his shop. She is always amazed by his forged weapons. But this time there is something wrong.
The moment Hitori approaches the fire of the forge, her hand starts to ignite on fire. Her friend is not afraid and start to put the fire down with water.. but the more he tries to put her down, the more he flinches. Now, not only her hand is in fire, but her entire arm. And Hitori's friend just collapsed on the floor.
Hitori doesn't understand, panics and searches for help.. but people flinches in front of her and collapses. Now her upper body is on fire and Hitori is desesperated.. she jumps to the castle and go see her parents. Her mother flinches on sight, her father, a very strong man keeps is sanity and ask her what happens. She explains with despair that she hates a fruit and started burning in fire. The man is in shock and ask her the color of the fruit. She tells him and the father takes her into his arm.
This is the Hito hito no mi model Akurojin no hi. The god of fire of the wrong road. In mythology, this god is a spectral flaming deity that appears in the rain and makes people gravely sick.
The father embrasses her daughter for the last time and start taking fire too. He says those last words "this is not your fault, I love you" and collapse on the ground, dead. The girls starts crying and screaming in despair, her entire body burnes in yellow flames and expand all around making the ground shake and the castle collapse. People in the Kindgom collapses left and right. In the span of one minute, there is no one left. The kindgom is dead and Hitori is the last survivor.
7 years laters, the strawhats debark on the island and finds Hitori, alone, trying to fixes the walls of what we now know being the castle of her parents.
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So here is the story of the character (that we will have later in the actual story), the explanation of the characterization's guidelines.
Now there is two ways to proceed, either we jumps into the design right away, or we sketch. I will be doing silhouets first. Hitori is a girl and ressourcefull so this must be reflected directly into the silhouette.
As you can see here (forgive the roughness of the silhouets, I'm doing this fast), I liked the long hair tresse of the 1 design and the "pikes" on her head (those will in fact be her royal attributes) but I didn't like the robe, not ressourcefull enough. I like giving scarf belt to my characters so In fine I have her a scar belt and instead of putting her in a dress I gave her shorts (if you can see on figure 4)
Now that we have the shape of our design we can start drawing roughly. I won't do an amazing sketch here, I don't have the time (And i'm incapable of that in my current state) but you will get the jizz.
The lines
And a bit of color
This is far from being professionnal work, this is actually pretty bad, I lack tehnique. But my point is the same. To create this developped character design (you can check the design and pretty much check all the basic points I made before (joyfull/royalty/ressourcefull etc.) I couldn't simply go with my guts on a whim a just play with shapes.
I had to actually think about the character and its story (that I developped a bit after) and create at least a bit of checkmarks and characterization points.
Is this good character design for you ?
I'm sure theremight be good stories. Tho I wouldn't go as far as saying that there are good character designs in this project.
But maybe I'm wrong and maybe I'm not looking at it correctly, can you give me the top 10 character design of this project please ?
That's basically what creating a story for the character means. Some give the character an amazing background and some give just key points but the creation of the identity of the character ALMOST ALWAYS preceeds the actual design research.
This is - despite what V4N is trying to tell you - how it works in the industry. At least if you work on project where there is a goal for the character more than just being the subject of a poster or an illustration.
I'm not denying it doesn't exist. It can in some case. In fact in the entertainment industry, the fact of using randomness can help the creating process. Example herewith fengZhu:
BUT, those are only done on early stage and even when you are silhouetting a character there is always some guidelines you need to follow first. Here are some example of people explaining their method:
Again you need to understand that by "telling a story of your character before the design" doesn't necessaraly means that you will give the character all basic rules of characterization and development and start the plotline or the outlining of the development of the character. No. It means that you need some guidelines, and the more the guidelines the better (design relevant guidelines, we don't care about the blood type of the character during the design process)
Damn, this give me motivation to work a little so I will give you my own example:
Let's say I want to create a character in the universe of One Piece:
1. First I put on paper a list of characterization guidelines (what I'm talking about by story). here I want the character to be:
- A Teenager / young adult
- Joyfull
- Smart and ressourcefull
- From a high dinasty lineage
- Surviving on its own.
- Pirate at hearth
Why ? (Don't mind the mistake, I'm doing this on the fly)
Let's say that that Hitori ("one person") is destined to be a princess of the Fire kingdom, a small kindgom where fire is used as an art in all types of fields. 10 years old and with no survival instinct of her own, she has only one thing in mind, to explore the world one day like a pirate to find the Eternal flame, a mythical and magical flame, from the legends of her people, that can shine brightly and proudly through darkness and never decrease.
One day, when escaping the sight of her mother and father, the girl finds a little raft boat alone in the seas, no one aboard. In it, lies a a big box of fruits. When she looks inside, there is a strange yellow fruit. Without hesitation, she bites into the fruit but is immediately seen by people and workers of the kindgom. They sound the alarm that the princess is trying to escape again. One of the weapon forger, a friend of her, notice the incident and hides her into his shop. She is always amazed by his forged weapons. But this time there is something wrong.
The moment Hitori approaches the fire of the forge, her hand starts to ignite on fire. Her friend is not afraid and start to put the fire down with water.. but the more he tries to put her down, the more he flinches. Now, not only her hand is in fire, but her entire arm. And Hitori's friend just collapsed on the floor.
Hitori doesn't understand, panics and searches for help.. but people flinches in front of her and collapses. Now her upper body is on fire and Hitori is desesperated.. she jumps to the castle and go see her parents. Her mother flinches on sight, her father, a very strong man keeps is sanity and ask her what happens. She explains with despair that she hates a fruit and started burning in fire. The man is in shock and ask her the color of the fruit. She tells him and the father takes her into his arm.
This is the Hito hito no mi model Akurojin no hi. The god of fire of the wrong road. In mythology, this god is a spectral flaming deity that appears in the rain and makes people gravely sick.
The father embrasses her daughter for the last time and start taking fire too. He says those last words "this is not your fault, I love you" and collapse on the ground, dead. The girls starts crying and screaming in despair, her entire body burnes in yellow flames and expand all around making the ground shake and the castle collapse. People in the Kindgom collapses left and right. In the span of one minute, there is no one left. The kindgom is dead and Hitori is the last survivor.
7 years laters, the strawhats debark on the island and finds Hitori, alone, trying to fixes the walls of what we now know being the castle of her parents.
-----
So here is the story of the character (that we will have later in the actual story), the explanation of the characterization's guidelines.
Now there is two ways to proceed, either we jumps into the design right away, or we sketch. I will be doing silhouets first. Hitori is a girl and ressourcefull so this must be reflected directly into the silhouette.
As you can see here (forgive the roughness of the silhouets, I'm doing this fast), I liked the long hair tresse of the 1 design and the "pikes" on her head (those will in fact be her royal attributes) but I didn't like the robe, not ressourcefull enough. I like giving scarf belt to my characters so In fine I have her a scar belt and instead of putting her in a dress I gave her shorts (if you can see on figure 4)
Now that we have the shape of our design we can start drawing roughly. I won't do an amazing sketch here, I don't have the time (And i'm incapable of that in my current state) but you will get the jizz.
The lines
And a bit of color
This is far from being professionnal work, this is actually pretty bad, I lack tehnique. But my point is the same. To create this developped character design (you can check the design and pretty much check all the basic points I made before (joyfull/royalty/ressourcefull etc.) I couldn't simply go with my guts on a whim a just play with shapes.
I had to actually think about the character and its story (that I developped a bit after) and create at least a bit of checkmarks and characterization points.
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