General & Others With last chapter, can we say Blackbeard is final villain ?

[Paperchampion23]

All the Blackbeard’s need is one spy in any of these Marine ranks to know that Saturn was going to Egghead. The preparations for the super buster call went to a ton of Marine bases.

There’s nothing saying that his presence was a complete secret. He wanted it kept hidden from the Strawhats and Vegapunk when he had arrived, that doesn’t mean the higher ranking Marines weren’t told the nature of their mission and who they were going with. The VAs clearly knew he was there, Doberman even spoke with him.

It’s nonsense to see them touch Saturn, say mission complete then try and argue that their mission wasn’t to touch Saturn.

Why are you assuming there was any marine spy lol? Why ignore the fact that they arrived yesterday, not even the same day?

And like I said, if the mission was to take Seraphim from the island, having the highest authority would in effect complete the mission.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Unless it links back to finding the 4th poneglyph, which Oda already had a prominent member of the BB pirates toss out the theory that whoever has the 4th poneglyph is working for the government.

Copying Saturn and Teach’s goal of being a member state of the world government does not conflict with him being defeated at Laughtale

If Shiryu’s theory is right then the great EoS war will be fought over the last Road Poneglyph.

If the World Gov are in possession of it, they will throw absolutely everything at protecting it.

There’s still nothing in Whitebeard’s speech that actually says the war has to happen before One Piece is found, and Oda’s recent quotes do point more towards finding One Piece being the end of the series.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

He can be after whatever he wants—Oda is setting him up to be Luffy’s biggest rival in the race for the one piece. He will go down in this race because nobody but Luffy will be the pirate king. (Well Buggy might be co-pirate king but that’s semantics and a gag.)

That's not true. Oda has developed a deep seeded personal grudge for Luffy against Blackbeard. That goes far beyond setting them up just to compete for the One Piece. This is not something he has done with any other character who is competing for the One Piece. Luffy has never had a personal grudge with any of the villains he has fought thus far in the story. He's has always defeated them for the sake of someone else.

Blackbeard will be the villain that Luffy fights to stop for his own reason, and not someone elses. That doesn't get achieved simply by fighting over the One Piece. Luffy will fight anyone for the One Piece, for the simple fact that they want to be Pirate King also. There is no need to develop a deep seeded grudge against his fellow Pirate King rivals.

For whatever reason, Oda is making it a point that when these two fight, it is going to be for the highest stakes, by making this Luffy's one fight where he is fighting to save everyone for his own grudge, and no one else.

The highest stakes would be the final antagonist trying to dominate (or even destroy) the entire World.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Why are you assuming there was any marine spy lol? Why ignore the fact that they arrived yesterday, not even the same day?

And like I said, if the mission was to take Seraphim from the island, having the highest authority would in effect complete the mission.

You’re the one making the assumptions about what they are there to do, when what is actually said on panel is that copying Saturn was the Blackbeard’s mission.

Why would arriving the previous day change anything? Being there before Saturn is to prepare is just common sense.

The argument that they were there to capture the Seraphim legitimately makes no sense. Why would Blackbeard think that Devon and Auger would be enough to capture them? How would he plan to control them? How would he know that there are authority chips, and the order of command?

 

[Weeman]

Blackbeard's mission was to get the infinite food machine for his army

 

[Paperchampion23]

You’re the one making the assumptions about what they are there to do, when what is actually said on panel is that copying Saturn was the Blackbeard’s mission.

Why would arriving the previous day change anything? Being there before Saturn is to prepare is just common sense.

The argument that they were there to capture the Seraphim legitimately makes no sense. Why would Blackbeard think that Devon and Auger would be enough to capture them? How would he plan to control them? How would he know that there are authority chips, and the order of command?

Pot calling the kettle black man. We dont actually know what the mission was, and you are making the same assumptions as everyone else. Touching him was simply the end of said mission, we have zero confirmation of that in itself was the mission.

They also arrived before news broke out there was even an invasion at Egghead.
And York exists on the island man, a very easy and casual explanation on what their connection could be to Serephim if they so choose.

 

[SkySanji]

No, as I said in an identical thread, Blackbeard has absolutely zero connection to Joy Boy, the Void Century or oppressing the world, which are all EOS themes that have been set up, we're literally told that Luffy's dream is something more than being PK, and being PK is pretty much where Blackbeard ends.

 

[Natalija]

Pot calling the kettle black man. We dont actually know what the mission was, and you are making the same assumptions as everyone else. Touching him was simply the end of said mission, we have zero confirmation of that in itself was the mission.

They also arrived before news broke out there was even an invasion at Egghead.
And York exists on the island man, a very easy and casual explanation on what their connection could be to Serephim if they so choose.

I don't know about that, to me it looks like they were looking for him, and luckily for them he appeared catapulted out of nowhere.

 

[kekaro]

Currently, yeah
His underling shittalked Imus underlings basiacly, i would say about the same rank too

 

[Paperchampion23]

I don't know about that, to me it looks like they were looking for him, and luckily for them he appeared catapulted out of nowhere.

Read the context though, "It sure made our job a hell of a lot easier" implies that sure, they intended to copy one of their appearances at some point, but it doesnt "sound" like that was the overall goal at being at Egghead. Saturn being there made it much easier.

Anyway, Im sure we'll see soon enough.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Pot calling the kettle black man. We dont actually know what the mission was. Touching him was simply the end of said mission, we have zero confirmation of that in itself was the mission.

We do know what the mission was.

Devon literally told us what it was. “You coming to the surface makes our job easier, tap, mission complete.”

Clearly showing that the job was to copy Saturn, made easier by him deciding to go to the surface instead of staying on the ship surrounded by his men, and the mission was complete when she tapped him.

People are inventing entirely different goals out of thin air.

They also arrived before news broke out there was even an invasion at Egghead.

But not before the Marines had set sail.

And York exists on the island man, a very easy and casual explanation on what their connection could be to Serephim if they so choose.

By easy and casual you mean completely at odds with York’s stated motivation, as we’ve already seen that York’s goal is to become a CD and the people she is working with are the Gorosei.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

There’s still nothing in Whitebeard’s speech that actually says the war has to happen before One Piece is found, and Oda’s recent quotes do point more towards finding One Piece being the end of the series.

@ the bolded; Yeah, this only bolsters the Imu-sama final villain camp, as it's fully expected Luffy will "shoulder the centuries of history" and confront the World Government.

@ the rest;

Whitebeard outright says Blackbeard's "not him", then goes on to describe an individual who will inherit Ace's will and shoulder centuries of history which directly leads to the great war... Then mentions the world being turned upside down with the discovery of the One Piece.

Spoiler

I'm not sure how a world where the governing body is dismantled (via Teach) can be turned upside down even more. And that's ignoring the fact that the One Piece has obvious historic ties to the Void Century and will be integral in the instigation of the Great War.

Teach has no place in this. He cannot take down the World Government because Whitebeard outright says he's not the one to do so and Blackbeard cannot be the world government because he doesn't represent the world government, he'd be an usurper at best.

That's not true. Oda has developed a deep seeded personal grudge for Luffy against Blackbeard. That goes far beyond setting them up just to compete for the One Piece. This is not something he has done with any other character who is competing for the One Piece. Luffy has never had a personal grudge with any of the villains he has fought thus far in the story. He's has always defeated them for the sake of someone else.

Cool, the race for the One Piece can be even more dramatic. That does not give him any role beyond it, though.

For whatever reason, Oda is making it a point that when these two fight, it is going to be for the highest stakes, by making this Luffy's one fight where he is fighting to save everyone for his own grudge, and no one else.

The highest stakes would be the final antagonist trying to dominate (or even destroy) the entire World.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment here.

Blackbeard could have plans to take on the World Government and cause horrible, unimaginable pain to the world, after becoming pirate king. Luffy fighting him there would keep those stakes high because if he loses, Blackbeard can go on a rampage.

There's nothing that requires Blackbeard to be the final villain and per Oda's own build up, Teach cannot be the one to take down the world government.

Nor does he currently pose a fraction of the threat that they do.

 

[Natalija]

Read the context though, "It sure made our job a hell of a lot easier" implies that sure, they intended to copy one of their appearances at some point, but it doesnt "sound" like that was the overall goal at being at Egghead. Saturn being there made it much easier.

Anyway, Im sure we'll see soon enough.

I know what you mean, but she said it made their job easier in particular because an Elder chose to come personally. I don't believe they'd be there for something else, then accidentally find Saturn and copy him happily and call it mission accomplished.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

I'd love BB as a FV but it's to hard see it.
Honestly, I genuinely believe there are higher chances of Luffy & Blackbeard teaming up (even if accidentally) to take down Imu than Teach being the FV.

The biggest problem with Teach is his crew : A drunk former admiral negged half the BBP. Kuzan might have joined his crew but the WG has 4 fighter of that level
You add 5 gorosei that all seem to have extremely busted abilities
You add the holy knights
You add the seraphims

I feel the only way Blackbeard could credible as a FV is if he steals the seraphims and their adult versions live up to the hype.

 

[Garp the Fist]

@TheAncientCenturion

Everything about Imu as final villain is based on the theory that it’s Blackbeard on Laugh Tale then Imu after.

These quotes:

Oda: I've always pictured what the final chapter of ‘ONE PIECE’ would be like, though from time to time, the situation surrounding it changes. It will still be over whenever the One Piece is found in the series, haha. Anyway, this next arc is the final one.

O: Yes it is. Rather than finishing the whole series, It's that series will end, because the most exciting part of Luffy's adventure, being the story of "What is One Piece?", will come to its conclusion. Things are heating up in Wano Country right now, but if Luffy can set sail from here safely, there will be developments on a global scale, a thrilling story likes of which no one has even read before I'll draw the "Greatest War" in One Piece history. It will be exciting!! In other words, I made such a announcement so readers could be mentally prepared to understand that even a story as long as this one is properly heading towards its end. That said, for now just take your time and enjoy Wano while its hot. I'll be draw with all my strength!!

Can easily be taken to read that the war is for the One Piece. And has already begun, hence why we are in the final arc.

I can easily see a situation where the Greatest War is over getting to Laugh Tale, not when Luffy comes out of it. The biggest war is the one with the most competitors. If we’ve got

-Strawhats, Cross Guild, Red Hairs and Blackbeards (and all their associated allies) all competing to get the last RP.
-The RA aiming to overthrow the CD
-The World Gov throwing everything at stopping the above
-the Ancient Weapons are starting to be used

That’s a bigger war than Strawhats and allies vs World Gov.

What the World Gov fears has already come to pass. The great war has started. All the actors are already in play.

We saw the reaction to One Piece, it’s great laughter. It’s looking more and more to me that they are all going to fight to get it, and Luffy getting there is his victory lap where he can achieve his big childish dream. One Piece will be found and the world turned upside down does not need to equal One Piece causes a great war. It can equal One Piece causes a new era of peace.

 

[Bogard]

The biggest problem with Teach is his crew : A drunk former admiral negged half the BBP.

It could be argued they were caught off-guard, and besides that was a year ago before they ate their fruits, and even currently we have Van Agur saying he didn't master his fruit yet, showing Oda is still leaving some room of progression for them

Besides, I don't think Blackbeard needs to match the Entire World government power to be the FV. Blackbeard is an opportunistic villain.

In MF, he was clearly not the strongest, but he was opportunistic enough to let the world government and Whitebeard pirates going at each other's throats, before coming at the right moment to finish the job and get what he wanted, so he could do the same in case of a war in Marijoa, even more believable now with Catarina Devon copying Saturn, Laffite having shown the ability to infiltrate preskip, Shiryu's invisibility fruit, and so on, all talor-made for infiltration missions.

You add the seraphims

Furthermore, concerning this point, Catarina Devon copying Saturn could play a role in the battle control over the Seraphims

If we add potential ancient weapons he could get via Cariboo's information, that would already considerably boost his world lvl threat

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Can easily be taken to read that the war is for the One Piece. And has already begun, hence why we are in the final arc.

Okay, that brings up back to Whitebeard's beginning statement.

"You're not him... The man that Roger is waiting for is definitely not you, Teach."

Goes on to talk about inherited will.

Starts talking about someone shouldering the history of centuries, the world government's atrocities and lies, in a great war.

The person the world government is afraid of is Luffy. We know he's the one Roger is waiting for / was too early for. He's their primary enemy, throughout this story. Not Teach. He's been excluded from this grudge match since chapter 576.

That’s a bigger war than Strawhats and allies vs World Gov.

Yeah and toss in Germa, Kaido, Linlin and whoever else and that makes the war even bigger. It doesn't mean the biggest war = the war Oda is foreshadowing. The board will be cleared of all pirate rivals by the time we get to Luffy confronting the World Government.

What the World Gov fears has already come to pass. The great war has started. All the actors are already in play.

No it hasn't.

We saw the reaction to One Piece, it’s great laughter. It’s looking more and more to me that they are all going to fight to get it, and Luffy getting there is his victory lap where he can achieve his big childish dream. One Piece will be found and the world turned upside down does not need to equal One Piece causes a great war. It can equal One Piece causes a new era of peace.

It's also what every road poneglyph is leading to, the culmination of Robin's dream (learning about the void century) and is the reason Imu-sama puts forward on why they have so many problems, these poneglyphs getting out.

Whatever Roger's reaction was is fine for him. But whatever is on Laughtale is going to be significantly more impactful than a funny joke or what have you.

 

[MarineHQ]

If I had to make a bet rn I would pick Blackbeard tbh

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

If I had to make a bet rn I would pick Blackbeard tbh

This only makes me more confident that Teach won't be the final villain.

 

[MarineHQ]

This only makes me more confident that Teach won't be the final villain.

Well I think if there is a person on this forum even more unlucky with his agendas it would be you lol