General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Garp the Fist]

The point is that there's a reason why Oda likes to introduce, or at least foreshadow/tease significant characters early on. Those are the ones that he wants you to remember. It's why Kin emon, the figurehead of the scabbards was the first one introduced to us. It's why we know about important characters hundreds of chapters in advance. It's the exact sort of thinking that prevents Kaguya situations of seemingly important characters coming from absolutely nowhere.

Are you trying to argue Yamato isn't a significant character?

Cause new crewmate or not (I lean towards not, but I'm giving it a bit of time), Oda has just dumped a significant character on us out of nowhere. The apparent pattern has already been broken.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I don't think she'll join.

So far her personnality doesn't match too much the Straw Hats and she is too much of a fan of Oden without her own dream unlike the Straw Hats.

Also her design isn't unique enough with her being one of the many female characters with Nami's face and eyes.

We’re reading a series completely predicated on people’s dreams being a shared cause; why is it that loving Oden and wanting to experience the world as he did isn’t enough?

 

[Buusatan94]

We’re reading a series completely predicated on people’s dreams being a shared cause; why is it that loving Oden and wanting to experience the world as he did isn’t enough?

It's more of her idolizing Oden to an extreme degree than him having mentored her and transmitted his ideals and dream to her and encouraged her unlike Zeff and Hililuk with Sanji and Chopper.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

It's more of her idolizing Oden to an extreme degree than him having mentored her and transmitted his ideals and dream to her and encouraged her unlike Zeff and Hililuk with Sanji and Chopper.

The only time she got to even see him in person (that we know of) was the day he died, and she could still draw inspiration from his words/views via the log book. It’s not a stretch to say that, a face-to-face mentorship is not the only way one can be radicalized.

 

[dizzy2341]

Are you trying to argue Yamato isn't a significant character?

Cause new crewmate or not (I lean towards not, but I'm giving it a bit of time), Oda has just dumped a significant character on us out of nowhere. The apparent pattern has already been broken.

The pattern isn't bullet proof when talking about all significant characters. Look at Law for example. A character Oda's stated he thought would hardly be anything, but ended up becoming someone very significant in the New World. But there are higher standards for straw hats. Oda should have a far clearer idea on how those characters are going to turn out. ESPECIALLY one from Wano considering it's an arc Oda's been planning for 20 years. Not saying he should've conceptualised everything about that character, but he could've very easily dropped some hints and foreshadowing here and there for people to pick up on for this apparent new straw hat.

So yeah, Yamato could be a character Oda decided later on that he'd make significant, hence why there have been zero clues about her the entire saga, but to the levels of a main character in the straw hats? No.

 

[Patryipe]

:cheers:

Man, after EB Luffy's recruitment skills went downhill.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

THE PATTERN DOESN’T MATTER TO ODA, AND IT SHOULDN’T TO ANYONE HERE (this is as close to toning it down as I’ll get, @garciajulieen)

 

[Just a member]

Hit the breaks Jew lol she has some good cards but this is still day 0. If starting from the next chapter Oda starts to give her focus and importance and that remains consistent I can believe she is a candidate but let's wait for it. On the other hand we just got Jinbe a few chapters ago after a decade(?) from the last SH joining (Brook in Thriller bark) so imo the tenth SH could very well be the last also given how narrow space Oda is giving them post time skip (then I don't know if maybe in a SVS or interview or somethinf he said he wanted to have 20 SH by the eos XD). Anyway let's wait and see.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Hit the breaks Jew lol she has some good cards but this is still day 0. If starting from the next chapter Oda starts to give her focus and importance and that remains consistent I can believe she is a candidate but let's wait for it. On the other hand we just got Jinbe a few chapters ago after a decade(?) from the last SH joining (Brook in Thriller bark) so imo the tenth SH could very well be the last also given how narrow space Oda is giving them post time skip (then I don't know if maybe in a SVS or interview or somethinf he said he wanted to have 20 SH by the eos XD). Anyway let's wait and see.

If this forum had existed when Brook was introduced, you would have seen a similar thread from me with the same kind of immediacy. When you know, you know :smithnie:

 

[Akuma_Law]

I love how each and every new character is a potential strawhat for this fandom, especially if they are cool

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I love how each and every new character is a potential strawhat for this fandom, especially if they are cool

I have never, EVER been one of those people who thinks each character we see has the potential to join. Seriously, before the last few days, you’ll find no evidence of me saying anyone other than a few characters COULD join. This is different, man, and y’all will see that over the next few chapters. Yamato’s meant for a greater purpose than the non-believers think.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I aint read it but maybe
If shes a logia she 100% has too tho

And if she's not white

Honestly hoping for 2 things


- Shes the child of both BM/Kaido (it makes the Rocks plot a hell of a lot more prevalent then, and you can also read my older posts about why Kaido's announcement regarding Yamato must be made after he announces the alliance with BM.

- She has a logia. If the above is true, then what would be interesting is Yamato having a logia while her father is pretty much the top "Zoan" pirate out there, whole her mother would be the top "Paramecia", both having crew members that respectively that have exclusively Paramecia (inside her family, not exceptions like Tamago and Peckoms) while Kaido is very smile and zoan focused.

I know people generally don't like the first point. But, I'm confused as to why people would rather Kaido marry off his daughter and retread the same plot from WCI. If she's both their daughter, it makes the alliance that much more reliant on it and why she's so important to Kaidos announcements. It's a new and fresh idea that hasn't been done yet. Better yet, being both Yonkos child just makes it THAT much cooler if she joins Luffy

 

[garciajulieen]

THE PATTERN DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER TO ODA, AND IT SHOULDN’T TO ANYONE HERE

Everyone can have their own opinion. Everyone can have their own believe. We can agree or disagree
. We can be wrong or right. But everything needs to be respected, especially when someone come out with nice argument and shows good effort, not just purely ego-based argument. Only with this we can make a healthy debate. Just my opinion tho.

 

[Garp the Fist]

She is interesting. With what little we have of her, she's certainly made a strong first impression. To go through your points

1. Ace. I find this a strong, strong point in her favour. Ace's death is the turning point in One Piece, something that has unified all the Strawhats. It provides a link between them all. Yes, I'm aware of the argument that there are events that other Strawhats have missed out and that hasn't been a problem. But Ace's death transcends everything we have had in the series in importance. I think having every Strawhat share an understanding of what that meant to their captain would be a good thing.

2. Her dream. Going on an adventure is a weak argument. Simply adventuring is something every single Strawhat does. It's what every single pirate in the series does. A Strawhat dream needs to have one, climatic moment where they actually achieve this dream. How does "adventuring" fit into that? Every arc starts with the chapter "Adventure on X." Would Yamato not simply have fulfilled her dream by the very next arc then?

What would work would be if, like Jinbei and freeing Fishman Island, opening Wano's borders is not as simple as beating Kaido. And then Yamato actually needs to go with Luffy to fully achieve that. Would be a bit derivative after Jinbei, but Nami and Franky's dreams cross over a bit, so it wouldn't be that bad.

3. Role in the crew. Don't really buy Chronicler for her. She's simply missed too much to record enough of the Strawhats adventures. Don't really see a role sticking out for her unless Oda gives us a surprise twenty something year old cabin girl, which would be odd.

For other points

Her design is okay. She'd stand out in Strawhat group shots by pure virtue of her height. Unique fighting style, that's good. Potential DF? Will be interesting to see what colour her hair actually is. Personality wise, wee bit early to judge, and I don't really see that as a good thing. In general I think as a character she's not had as strong an introduction as, say, Ulti- not that Ulti is joining the crew. If Yamato keeps the mask that would actually help her stand out more.

She doesn't have a strong enough relationship with Oden. That's just a huge argument against her. Every other Strawhat has had a strong relationship with their inspiration figures. Yamato doesn't. There would need to be a lot, lot more in her flashbacks, and probably another character entirely to fill the Shanks/Kuina/Bellemere role. Luckily, a child needs two parents, so the big mystery of "who's the mummy" could answer that.

Tragic backstory, well, that'll probably come whether or not she joins the crew, can't imagine it was great fun being raised in the Genocide Pirates.

Overall, 65/35 on her not joining the crew. But Oda could still easily spend the next ten chapters giving her really heavy focus and dismantling every one of my arguments. So she's at least worth talking, and provides a breath of fresh air to what has been a very, very tired argument (Jinbei will die! Look, Carrot is in a panel with a Strawhat!)

 

[Visa]

I don't even know what you're trying to argue.

Jinbei thinks Luffy will change the world. As do all the Strawhats.
By going with him, Jinbei will therefore be able to get equality for Fishmen.

Jinbei says his own voyage will be what gains freedom for Fishmen. Not Luffy's. He needs to sail with Luffy the same way all the Strawhats need to sail with him, but when it comes to gaining equality for Fishmen it'll be Jinbei that does it. He's not going to stand to the side and watch Luffy doing it. The hell kind of conclusion would that be? "Here's the nine other Strawhats accomplishing their dreams, and also Jinbei watching Luffy do it for him?"

What about any of that is vague? How does it compare to "I want to go on an adventure," a dream that has literally accomplished every time the Strawhats go to a new island and has no actual moment of fulfilment?

Going with Luffy will ensure that he will be able to get the freedom for Fishman. Now, how? Why I said its not tangible is because for a lot reasons, racism and equality can't easily be solved, like what Otohime tried to do. How is his voyage with Luffy going to ensure that from island to island? It's vague to how that can be accomplished. The fact that you aren't even providing a way for it to be possible is apparent. The reason is tangible, the application isn't. All that's said is that he knows Luffy will help him bring equality to their race. How?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

To me the biggest factor here, is her appearance. It's not that Oda is incapable of making distinct female appearances, but more so that due to time constraints he sticks what he is good at. I feel like if his intentions were to make it so Yamato joins the crew, then he would have taken that extra time to diversify her face so she doesn't look like Nami, Rebecca, Vivi, Shirahoshi... etc...etc.. but with horns.

But who knows, maybe Oda just really liked the design, and wanted to keep it simplistic, and like @Garp the Fist said, if he keeps the mask as part of her shtick, then it could work.

So a little bit of a cheat in the road to Pk is needed

 

[dirtyLarry]

2. Her dream. Going on an adventure is a weak argument. Simply adventuring is something every single Strawhat does. It's what every single pirate in the series does. A Strawhat dream needs to have one, climatic moment where they actually achieve this dream. How does "adventuring" fit into that? Every arc starts with the chapter "Adventure on X." Would Yamato not simply have fulfilled her dream by the very next arc then?

What would work would be if, like Jinbei and freeing Fishman Island, opening Wano's borders is not as simple as beating Kaido. And then Yamato actually needs to go with Luffy to fully achieve that. Would be a bit derivative after Jinbei, but Nami and Franky's dreams cross over a bit, so it wouldn't be that bad.

Her dream is not to just "have an adventure".

She literally wants to be like Oden and (now it gets really important) she wants to fullfil Oden's dream. That's why she immediately stated "Strawhat Luffy, you're the man I've been waiting for! Waiting for a very long time!"

In order to really become like Oden and even fullfil his final wish, she has to go on this adventure with Luffy.
Oden didn't put his faith in Luffy just because he will "only" open up Wano. This is much bigger. It's about the "dawn of the world", like both Toki and Oden said.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Going with Luffy will ensure that he will be able to get the freedom for Fishman. Now, how? Why I said its not tangible is because for a lot reasons, racism and equality can't easily be solved, like what Otohime tried to do. How is his voyage with Luffy going to ensure that from island to island? It's vague to how that can be accomplished. The fact that you aren't even providing a way for it to be possible is apparent. The reason is tangible, the application isn't. All that's said is that he knows Luffy will help him bring equality. How?

Help Luffy bring down the current World Gov and then use his role as war hero to negotiate with the new government and gain legal equality and a new home for the Fishmen. Thus combining Tiger and Otohime's approach.

There, easy. Not vague at all. Jinbei's never going go around every Island in the world and karate chop every racist, but he can be the one that puts an end to the government that openly discriminates against Fishmen.

The pattern isn't bullet proof when talking about all significant characters. Look at Law for example. A character Oda's stated he thought would hardly be anything, but ended up becoming someone very significant in the New World. But there are higher standards for straw hats. Oda should have a far clearer idea on how those characters are going to turn out. ESPECIALLY one from Wano considering it's an arc Oda's been planning for 20 years. Not saying he should've conceptualised everything about that character, but he could've very easily dropped some hints and foreshadowing here and there for people to pick up on for this apparent new straw hat.

So yeah, Yamato could be a character Oda decided later on that he'd make significant, hence why there have been zero clues about her the entire saga, but to the levels of a main character in the straw hats? No.

Well, yes, I do agree that there are higher standards for Strawhats.

It's why I've argued against Carrot for years, who would represent a compete lowering of standards over what makes up a main character.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Her dream is not to just "have an adventure".

She literally wants to be like Oden and (now it gets really important) she wants to fullfil Oden's dream. That's why she immediately stated "Strawhat Luffy, you're the man I've been waiting for! Waiting for a very long time!"

In order to really become like Oden and even fullfil his final wish, she has to go on this adventure with Luffy.
Oden didn't put his faith in Luffy just because he will "only" open up Wano. This is much bigger. It's about the "dawn of the world", like both Toki and Oden said.

That's what I'm saying. "Going on an adventure", not a dream. Focus on the freeing of Wano and making that something that actually requires joining the Pirate Kings crew, actually a dream.

 

[Visa]

Help Luffy bring down the current World Gov and then use his role as war hero to negotiate with the new government and gain legal equality and a new home for the Fishmen. Thus combining Tiger and Otohime's approach.

There, easy. Not vague at all. Jinbei's never going go around every Island in the world and karate chop every racist, but he can be the one that puts an end to the government that openly discriminates against Fishmen.

Abolishing the years of oppression and bias towards their race won't really help that. While destroying the system will enable "true freedom," it won't guarantee being able to end discrimination unless something else happens.