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Macronleon just announced that sending troops in Ukraine was an option 
Swedes who just signed in for NATO are like "ugh wtf"
Slovakia who is pro-Russian is against it...
Poland's PM Donald Tusk is on the same line as Slovakia...........
The Grande Armée will stop the Russians on their own
Swedes who just signed in for NATO are like "ugh wtf"
Slovakia who is pro-Russian is against it...
Poland's PM Donald Tusk is on the same line as Slovakia...........
The Grande Armée will stop the Russians on their own
NATO and the World as a whole need to be sure Russia don't get comfortable enough to keep invading countries. But if they go too deep they risk of starting WWIII.
Russia actually losing it is very unlikely just like then giving up the Crimeria territory. Best solution would be an agreement where the borders keep as the ones before this war.
At the end of the day. Trump as always right. Europe got too comfortable with Russia. The sanctions back at 2014 were too weak. And Biden is too weak of a leader to prevent Putin doing what he wants how he wants.
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The thing going on here is basically left vs right.
The far left call anyone on their bit right of far right extremists nazists fascist and whatever bad name you can find in the political spectrum related to the right.
The guy even lied about me thinking all Palestinians are terrorists and I want them dead.
All I talk is that Hamas is a terrorist group. Palestinians are sick of Hamas. And yes terrorists must to die. Also that Israel can't stop until they find all refugees and possibly kill Hamas group once for all. Also they deny that UNWRA was actively helping Hamas on their terrorists attacks and also deny that Hamas is a terrorist group.
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Agreed.
My issue is with people that call themselves socialists (or worse Marxist-without even reading his books) because it always turns out that they are wanna be dictators. Those people are unable to manage their own lives and think they can create a utopia (where they would never be the workers in the factory but the elite-of course). I despise those people. That's why I mentioned it in opposition to my views.
My issue is with people that call themselves socialists (or worse Marxist-without even reading his books) because it always turns out that they are wanna be dictators. Those people are unable to manage their own lives and think they can create a utopia (where they would never be the workers in the factory but the elite-of course). I despise those people. That's why I mentioned it in opposition to my views.
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Dude you are contradicting yourself. You say that socialism is in general anti-capitalism and there is only one variation that isn't yet you say that American has an extensive socialism history that is not anti-capitalist?
And about the labor work hours... What ended was the discover of Ford system that working 8h a day for 5 days a week increases productivity. Working "rights" comes from lack of professionals to do certain types of jobs so bosses have to offer more money and benefits be more flexible so people work for him. Brazil is full of working rights yet USA citizens are not leaving their country to work here because being better paid is more important.
Child labor happens because of poverty. Any very poor place will have children working or dying from starvation. There is nothing that a piece of paper saying they have rights can do about it.
Economy/technology is what saves people not laws as regulations.
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"I don't tolerate your opinion so I will call you a biggot!"
And about the labor work hours... What ended was the discover of Ford system that working 8h a day for 5 days a week increases productivity. Working "rights" comes from lack of professionals to do certain types of jobs so bosses have to offer more money and benefits be more flexible so people work for him. Brazil is full of working rights yet USA citizens are not leaving their country to work here because being better paid is more important.
Child labor happens because of poverty. Any very poor place will have children working or dying from starvation. There is nothing that a piece of paper saying they have rights can do about it.
Economy/technology is what saves people not laws as regulations.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not multiple people.
Secondly, thanks for proving my point:
Secondly, thanks for proving my point:
It objectively is.
Which is Social Democracy so no contradiction yet
Given how most labor protests in America wasn't to end captialism, but to acquire better work environments and benefits under captialism, yes.
Not the slightest contradiction. Socialist views in general removes power from capitalist no matter what. Social Democracy seeks to find a balance between them.
People were still working crazy hours until regulations cames along. It's illegal to make a worker work 7 days straight for example.
Ok? How does thag change the fact thag child labor was very common in the U.S. over a century ago, with laws and regulations banning such employment? Child Labor Laws were created for a reason.
And it's laws and regulations that determine how technology is used and how the economy functions.
Which is Social Democracy so no contradiction yet
Given how most labor protests in America wasn't to end captialism, but to acquire better work environments and benefits under captialism, yes.
Not the slightest contradiction. Socialist views in general removes power from capitalist no matter what. Social Democracy seeks to find a balance between them.
People were still working crazy hours until regulations cames along. It's illegal to make a worker work 7 days straight for example.
Ok? How does thag change the fact thag child labor was very common in the U.S. over a century ago, with laws and regulations banning such employment? Child Labor Laws were created for a reason.
And it's laws and regulations that determine how technology is used and how the economy functions.
It's not illegal everywhere in the States to work over 7 days straight. During the summer, some of my men have worked 13 days straight and well over 80-plus hours. They don't complain though because they make bank with OT. It's also their choice because we don't make anyone work on Sunday ever, they decide if they do.
@AL sama He keeps calling us confusionist which is by definition, someone who deliberately confuses minds to prevent objective analysis. It's very effective against the uneducated, and they tend to flock to charismatic leaders who gives them simple answers.
So basically we trying to prevent discussions, and anyone who agrees with anything we say are uneducated lol.
Regulations doesn't cover volunteer work. It's mostly about forced labor. I myself did a 12 day work week before. If my company tried to make me do that or did, I could've sued them for violating labor laws.
So basically we trying to prevent discussions, and anyone who agrees with anything we say are uneducated lol.
Regulations doesn't cover volunteer work. It's mostly about forced labor. I myself did a 12 day work week before. If my company tried to make me do that or did, I could've sued them for violating labor laws.
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I'm not questioning this.
By your definitions America has a history of Social Democracy not Socialism.
Ford System productivity made this possible. Not anything else.
This is basically saying "We rather you dead than working". Is the same of minimum wage, created to prevent slaves from getting jobs(talking about systemic racism yet the left is totally in favor of bigger and bigger minimum wage that causes unemployment). If a family has enough money they won't make their child to work. If they don't and the child doesn't work it will starve to death.
Law and regulations that slow and decrease the advance of economy and technology usually to favor friends of the governament. Just like the people asking a stop on the improvement of Artificial Intelligence just for competitors to catch up with OpenAI that is the leading company.
By your definitions America has a history of Social Democracy not Socialism.
Ford System productivity made this possible. Not anything else.
This is basically saying "We rather you dead than working". Is the same of minimum wage, created to prevent slaves from getting jobs(talking about systemic racism yet the left is totally in favor of bigger and bigger minimum wage that causes unemployment). If a family has enough money they won't make their child to work. If they don't and the child doesn't work it will starve to death.
Law and regulations that slow and decrease the advance of economy and technology usually to favor friends of the governament. Just like the people asking a stop on the improvement of Artificial Intelligence just for competitors to catch up with OpenAI that is the leading company.
I, verbatim, said America has an extensive socialist, but not anti-capitalistic history. Do we agree that I said that?
Socialism is anti-capitalistic in general. Do you agree I said that?
There were many protests and sometimes revolts by the worker class was to limit the power of the owner class and give some to the worker class. That is textbook socialism. Do you agree with that?
Majority of these protests didn't call for capitalism to end(some did), but for better work conditions and benefits.
Strengthening worker class power and benefits, while weakening the capitalistic power, which is socialism and anti-capitalistic, all this under captialism, is a social democracy, which seeks a balance between Socialism and Captialism.
Socialism is anti-capitalistic. Capitalism is anti-socialistic. It's not that I'm contradicting myself, but that the ideologies themselves contradictory and exact opposites.
Socialism is anti-capitalistic in general. Do you agree I said that?
There were many protests and sometimes revolts by the worker class was to limit the power of the owner class and give some to the worker class. That is textbook socialism. Do you agree with that?
Majority of these protests didn't call for capitalism to end(some did), but for better work conditions and benefits.
Strengthening worker class power and benefits, while weakening the capitalistic power, which is socialism and anti-capitalistic, all this under captialism, is a social democracy, which seeks a balance between Socialism and Captialism.
Socialism is anti-capitalistic. Capitalism is anti-socialistic. It's not that I'm contradicting myself, but that the ideologies themselves contradictory and exact opposites.
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And how you tell someone is doing volunteer work or not?.
Because that is the issue in Brazil when you have a law like that. Workers have volunteer extra work (and being pay for it) but then go to the court anyway claiming to be forced work and here has a justice court specifically for working causes that tends to favor the worker(weak link). So that causes a lot of instability and pushes company away while preventing more people to start a business here slowing down the economy and maintaining us poor as a nation.
Because that is the issue in Brazil when you have a law like that. Workers have volunteer extra work (and being pay for it) but then go to the court anyway claiming to be forced work and here has a justice court specifically for working causes that tends to favor the worker(weak link). So that causes a lot of instability and pushes company away while preventing more people to start a business here slowing down the economy and maintaining us poor as a nation.
