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Dude you are contradicting yourself. You say that socialism is in general anti-capitalism and there is only one variation that isn't yet you say that American has an extensive socialism history that is not anti-capitalist?
And about the labor work hours... What ended was the discover of Ford system that working 8h a day for 5 days a week increases productivity. Working "rights" comes from lack of professionals to do certain types of jobs so bosses have to offer more money and benefits be more flexible so people work for him. Brazil is full of working rights yet USA citizens are not leaving their country to work here because being better paid is more important.
Child labor happens because of poverty. Any very poor place will have children working or dying from starvation. There is nothing that a piece of paper saying they have rights can do about it.
Economy/technology is what saves people not laws as regulations.
"I don't tolerate your opinion so I will call you a biggot!"
And about the labor work hours... What ended was the discover of Ford system that working 8h a day for 5 days a week increases productivity. Working "rights" comes from lack of professionals to do certain types of jobs so bosses have to offer more money and benefits be more flexible so people work for him. Brazil is full of working rights yet USA citizens are not leaving their country to work here because being better paid is more important.
Child labor happens because of poverty. Any very poor place will have children working or dying from starvation. There is nothing that a piece of paper saying they have rights can do about it.
Economy/technology is what saves people not laws as regulations.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not multiple people.
Secondly, thanks for proving my point:
Secondly, thanks for proving my point:
It objectively is.
Which is Social Democracy so no contradiction yet
Given how most labor protests in America wasn't to end captialism, but to acquire better work environments and benefits under captialism, yes.
Not the slightest contradiction. Socialist views in general removes power from capitalist no matter what. Social Democracy seeks to find a balance between them.
People were still working crazy hours until regulations cames along. It's illegal to make a worker work 7 days straight for example.
Ok? How does thag change the fact thag child labor was very common in the U.S. over a century ago, with laws and regulations banning such employment? Child Labor Laws were created for a reason.
And it's laws and regulations that determine how technology is used and how the economy functions.
Which is Social Democracy so no contradiction yet
Given how most labor protests in America wasn't to end captialism, but to acquire better work environments and benefits under captialism, yes.
Not the slightest contradiction. Socialist views in general removes power from capitalist no matter what. Social Democracy seeks to find a balance between them.
People were still working crazy hours until regulations cames along. It's illegal to make a worker work 7 days straight for example.
Ok? How does thag change the fact thag child labor was very common in the U.S. over a century ago, with laws and regulations banning such employment? Child Labor Laws were created for a reason.
And it's laws and regulations that determine how technology is used and how the economy functions.
It's not illegal everywhere in the States to work over 7 days straight. During the summer, some of my men have worked 13 days straight and well over 80-plus hours. They don't complain though because they make bank with OT. It's also their choice because we don't make anyone work on Sunday ever, they decide if they do.
@AL sama He keeps calling us confusionist which is by definition, someone who deliberately confuses minds to prevent objective analysis. It's very effective against the uneducated, and they tend to flock to charismatic leaders who gives them simple answers.
So basically we trying to prevent discussions, and anyone who agrees with anything we say are uneducated lol.
Regulations doesn't cover volunteer work. It's mostly about forced labor. I myself did a 12 day work week before. If my company tried to make me do that or did, I could've sued them for violating labor laws.
So basically we trying to prevent discussions, and anyone who agrees with anything we say are uneducated lol.
Regulations doesn't cover volunteer work. It's mostly about forced labor. I myself did a 12 day work week before. If my company tried to make me do that or did, I could've sued them for violating labor laws.
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I'm not questioning this.
By your definitions America has a history of Social Democracy not Socialism.
Ford System productivity made this possible. Not anything else.
This is basically saying "We rather you dead than working". Is the same of minimum wage, created to prevent slaves from getting jobs(talking about systemic racism yet the left is totally in favor of bigger and bigger minimum wage that causes unemployment). If a family has enough money they won't make their child to work. If they don't and the child doesn't work it will starve to death.
Law and regulations that slow and decrease the advance of economy and technology usually to favor friends of the governament. Just like the people asking a stop on the improvement of Artificial Intelligence just for competitors to catch up with OpenAI that is the leading company.
By your definitions America has a history of Social Democracy not Socialism.
Ford System productivity made this possible. Not anything else.
This is basically saying "We rather you dead than working". Is the same of minimum wage, created to prevent slaves from getting jobs(talking about systemic racism yet the left is totally in favor of bigger and bigger minimum wage that causes unemployment). If a family has enough money they won't make their child to work. If they don't and the child doesn't work it will starve to death.
Law and regulations that slow and decrease the advance of economy and technology usually to favor friends of the governament. Just like the people asking a stop on the improvement of Artificial Intelligence just for competitors to catch up with OpenAI that is the leading company.
I, verbatim, said America has an extensive socialist, but not anti-capitalistic history. Do we agree that I said that?
Socialism is anti-capitalistic in general. Do you agree I said that?
There were many protests and sometimes revolts by the worker class was to limit the power of the owner class and give some to the worker class. That is textbook socialism. Do you agree with that?
Majority of these protests didn't call for capitalism to end(some did), but for better work conditions and benefits.
Strengthening worker class power and benefits, while weakening the capitalistic power, which is socialism and anti-capitalistic, all this under captialism, is a social democracy, which seeks a balance between Socialism and Captialism.
Socialism is anti-capitalistic. Capitalism is anti-socialistic. It's not that I'm contradicting myself, but that the ideologies themselves contradictory and exact opposites.
Socialism is anti-capitalistic in general. Do you agree I said that?
There were many protests and sometimes revolts by the worker class was to limit the power of the owner class and give some to the worker class. That is textbook socialism. Do you agree with that?
Majority of these protests didn't call for capitalism to end(some did), but for better work conditions and benefits.
Strengthening worker class power and benefits, while weakening the capitalistic power, which is socialism and anti-capitalistic, all this under captialism, is a social democracy, which seeks a balance between Socialism and Captialism.
Socialism is anti-capitalistic. Capitalism is anti-socialistic. It's not that I'm contradicting myself, but that the ideologies themselves contradictory and exact opposites.
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And how you tell someone is doing volunteer work or not?.
Because that is the issue in Brazil when you have a law like that. Workers have volunteer extra work (and being pay for it) but then go to the court anyway claiming to be forced work and here has a justice court specifically for working causes that tends to favor the worker(weak link). So that causes a lot of instability and pushes company away while preventing more people to start a business here slowing down the economy and maintaining us poor as a nation.
Because that is the issue in Brazil when you have a law like that. Workers have volunteer extra work (and being pay for it) but then go to the court anyway claiming to be forced work and here has a justice court specifically for working causes that tends to favor the worker(weak link). So that causes a lot of instability and pushes company away while preventing more people to start a business here slowing down the economy and maintaining us poor as a nation.
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Exactly. So one needing extra money wanting to do extra work wouldn't be able to on his current job. So that one would need another "job" as source of income. Like food delivery or Uber. And then some people wants to put those rights and regulations for those workers so the same problem happens but guess what? People working like that doesn't want those rights and regulations because they know they are paid more working like they are working nowadays. It is always a very small group of people that claim to be wanting those rights to impose over the immense majority of workes.
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You don't think the capabilities of AI doing artwork will improve to the point where the quality of the work will generally exceed that of art created by the artists themselves?
While artists will always value the human creativity behind artwork, the convenience of rapid AI-generated creations may ultimately appeal more to consumers in comparison to commissioning an artist and waiting for their work to be completed, depending on how much the consumer has to pay as well as the length of time it would take the artist to produce their work.
While artists will always value the human creativity behind artwork, the convenience of rapid AI-generated creations may ultimately appeal more to consumers in comparison to commissioning an artist and waiting for their work to be completed, depending on how much the consumer has to pay as well as the length of time it would take the artist to produce their work.
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I don't believe art works like that. Until now we have art made very long ago that are masterpieces.
Maybe AI one day can mimic 100% of humans can do but as for now it is 100% different. When you have Oda drawing Goku you can tell it is Oda not Toriyama.
I understand why people are concern I just don't think it is a reason to stop AI progress and regulate it because it will do much more benefit than harm. People adapts. Whether they want to or not.
Maybe AI one day can mimic 100% of humans can do but as for now it is 100% different. When you have Oda drawing Goku you can tell it is Oda not Toriyama.
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I understand why people are concern I just don't think it is a reason to stop AI progress and regulate it because it will do much more benefit than harm. People adapts. Whether they want to or not.