Break Week How can you enjoy Kaido in Wano arc?
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Believe me I'm not, I was trying to defend Kaido before and I was using the same arguements (go back and read my comments) but after reading the fight between Kaido and Oden multiple times I can't lie to myself, so I excepted the truth.
Whitbeard was strong as hell, and strong durability was kind of Whitbeard's maine thing.
Well, you were using Yonko strength to prove me wrong, Kaido is Yonko level and I agree with that.
Big Mom oneshoted Luffy, and Frankly spiking after Oda fuck up with Apoo overshooting Luffy doesn't seem to be that much of a feat. I'm not saying it isn't a feat but Oda fuck up things really hard.
Big Mom has a strong Yonko level feats too, so I'm not going measure who has better feats but if you think Kaido has better feats I'll agree with you.
I agree with DP but Akainu has higher AP.
I hope he's indeed hasn't gone all out yet but I'm not sure considering how much Oda loves Samurais.
I'm not downplaying Kaido, and he has regular Yonko feats.
I don't want more feats from Kaido, I only want him to live up to his hyp and not be a caword, we will never find out wether he would have been able to defeat Oden in 1v1 or not and that is the problem. Liking at his decisions I can see that he was afraid of Oden.
I hope you're right about Kaido not going all out yet, I really do but Oda loves Samurais so I'm really skeptical about it.
I didn't say that Kaido's feats are less impressive it's just that the guy was using it to prove that Kaido has better feats then others so I reminded him that other Yonkos have the same feats or at the very least close to him.
Kaido has for sure one of the strongest AP in the series and I didn't say anything about it. But the question remains if Kaido would be able to defeat Oden if it wasn't for old hag, if Oden had the chance to protect his head with CoA or dodge it? If not then Kaido's decisions 20 years ago proves that he was afraid of Oden.
Whitbeard was strong as hell, and strong durability was kind of Whitbeard's maine thing.
Well, you were using Yonko strength to prove me wrong, Kaido is Yonko level and I agree with that.
Big Mom oneshoted Luffy, and Frankly spiking after Oda fuck up with Apoo overshooting Luffy doesn't seem to be that much of a feat. I'm not saying it isn't a feat but Oda fuck up things really hard.
Big Mom has a strong Yonko level feats too, so I'm not going measure who has better feats but if you think Kaido has better feats I'll agree with you.
I agree with DP but Akainu has higher AP.
I hope he's indeed hasn't gone all out yet but I'm not sure considering how much Oda loves Samurais.
I'm not downplaying Kaido, and he has regular Yonko feats.
I don't want more feats from Kaido, I only want him to live up to his hyp and not be a caword, we will never find out wether he would have been able to defeat Oden in 1v1 or not and that is the problem. Liking at his decisions I can see that he was afraid of Oden.
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I hope you're right about Kaido not going all out yet, I really do but Oda loves Samurais so I'm really skeptical about it.
I didn't say that Kaido's feats are less impressive it's just that the guy was using it to prove that Kaido has better feats then others so I reminded him that other Yonkos have the same feats or at the very least close to him.
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Kaido has for sure one of the strongest AP in the series and I didn't say anything about it. But the question remains if Kaido would be able to defeat Oden if it wasn't for old hag, if Oden had the chance to protect his head with CoA or dodge it? If not then Kaido's decisions 20 years ago proves that he was afraid of Oden.
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- Whitebeard durability was low in fact ... fodders gave him 400 scars ... his endurance was good ... but not as good as Oden who was able to tank a sea of oil as hot as magma for one hours while holding 9 people over his head and use no Haki
Oden Endurance might even surpass Marco ....
- I'm saying he have feats other Yonko don't have as of now ... like one shot Luffy
- Akainu failed to one shot Whitebeard while he had the chance ... unlike Kaido did to Oden
- Akainu failed to one shot Jenbi ... while Kaido one shot Luffy
to some one like Oden , Magma is a JOKE ... while Kaido beat him
all of this prove Kaido AP > Akainu's AP and by a GOOD gap
- of cousre he is not all out ... this is a story for god sake
- Kaido was mad cause the fight wasn't fair and Oden wasn't even sure if he can beat Kaido
Oden was a legit top tier ... of course fighting him was hard
but keep in mind , Kaido only got scar when he couldn't use Haki in his favor
Kaido for sure was able to beat Oden ... and since Oden was a BEAST it's no low feat
- and again this is Kaido from 20 years ago
he was a top tier 20 years ago were most of current top tiers even were close to that level
story and Oden both implied Kaido is not stronger
Kaido even LOOK stronger
again ... there is one thing to have doubt ... but even now ... Kaido's feat are best maybe next to Roger and PRIME Beard
I meant endurance not durability I made a mistake i guess. Whitebeard had highest level of endurance and Oden doesn't even stand close to him, when it comes to durability Oden and Whitbeard's durability were on the same level, I mean Oden was wounded by arrows so...
The oil temperature is a wrong measure, magma has a quite low temperature compared to fier if we are talking about magma on the surface of the planet, but, the temperature of the core of the planet which is made out of magma is as hot as the surface of the sun, so Akainu can increase the temperature of his magma to to a point when becomes a mini sun. The temperature of the oil was indeed higher than the temperature of magma but it wasn't even as hot as the temperature of melting steel otherwise the pan would have been melted, and we've seen Akainu increasing the temperature of his magma well over the temperature of melting steel.
So no, the temperature of Akainu's magma and the temperature of oil (with regular magma temperature) are very different, and if Akainu punched Oden he would have made a big hole in Oden just like with Whitbeard, Oda didn't say about Akainu's DF highest AP for nathing and Akainu's DF is broken as fuck.
About Whitbeard's endurance vs Oden
Oden was down with one punch to his head when Whitbeard didn't even flinch while losing half of his head and he still managed to defeat Blackbeard in that condition. So please, don't tell me about Oden's endurance, he for sure has one of the highest endurance in the story but nowhere near to Whitbeard's.
I would agree about the feat's (kind of) but Luffy was oneshoted by Big Mom so stop it.
Did you forget?
I would agree with you if it wasn't for Oda's love of Samurais, he didn't Wank Oden sacrificing Kaido just to show later that Kaido was playing with him.
We will never find out wether you're right or not, the story wants to show us that the good guys are better than bad guys, the bad guys are weaker and scared of good guys and the only reason the good guys were defeated was cuz of derty tricks, I'm sorry that Oda choose that story but the only thing I can do is tell the truth.
Kaido was mad cuz of interference but he could give Oden second chance and he didn't and based on Kaido's decision I can tell that he was scared of Oden, that's the story that Oda choose to tell us.
The oil temperature is a wrong measure, magma has a quite low temperature compared to fier if we are talking about magma on the surface of the planet, but, the temperature of the core of the planet which is made out of magma is as hot as the surface of the sun, so Akainu can increase the temperature of his magma to to a point when becomes a mini sun. The temperature of the oil was indeed higher than the temperature of magma but it wasn't even as hot as the temperature of melting steel otherwise the pan would have been melted, and we've seen Akainu increasing the temperature of his magma well over the temperature of melting steel.
So no, the temperature of Akainu's magma and the temperature of oil (with regular magma temperature) are very different, and if Akainu punched Oden he would have made a big hole in Oden just like with Whitbeard, Oda didn't say about Akainu's DF highest AP for nathing and Akainu's DF is broken as fuck.
About Whitbeard's endurance vs Oden
Oden was down with one punch to his head when Whitbeard didn't even flinch while losing half of his head and he still managed to defeat Blackbeard in that condition. So please, don't tell me about Oden's endurance, he for sure has one of the highest endurance in the story but nowhere near to Whitbeard's.
I would agree about the feat's (kind of) but Luffy was oneshoted by Big Mom so stop it.
Did you forget?
I would agree with you if it wasn't for Oda's love of Samurais, he didn't Wank Oden sacrificing Kaido just to show later that Kaido was playing with him.
We will never find out wether you're right or not, the story wants to show us that the good guys are better than bad guys, the bad guys are weaker and scared of good guys and the only reason the good guys were defeated was cuz of derty tricks, I'm sorry that Oda choose that story but the only thing I can do is tell the truth.
Kaido was mad cuz of interference but he could give Oden second chance and he didn't and based on Kaido's decision I can tell that he was scared of Oden, that's the story that Oda choose to tell us.
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I think I need to do some explanation here in addition to my original post/thread.
People telling me about rationality, that Kaido was rational etc. Guys, I'm all for rationality, I like rational characters, for that specific reason I like Law more than I like strowhats, Kid or anyone from current generation. Big Mom has shown rationality by wanting to gain more military power to take down other Yonkos
But at the same time she's fearless if it's necessary, she came to Wano with only half of her crew, with only Smoothie from her commanders and with only one ship with an absolute confidence that she can take down Kaido if things go bad, Kaido threatened her saying that he will kill her if she came but Big Mom couldn't care less, even king was surprised to see how bold Big Mom is saying "what were you thinking coming here with only one ship".
I think that Admirals are overall weaker than Yonkos and that you need at least two Admirals to take down one Yonko but I don't think Whitbeard would be able to defeat all 5 Admirals combined with Shichibukais all by himself even if he was in his prime. Whitebeard was one of the most rational characters in one piece, he was avoiding fighting even against weak Marians just because it was unnecessary, but when it was needed he was fearless. Dispite the fact that he was half dead, that he lost his three most powerful crew members Ace, Tuch, Blackbeard and the fact that the enemy had advantage in numbers by 95 to 1 he still did what was needed to done.
And again, just for comparison...
Whitebeard didn't even flinch while losing half of his head while Kaido was shiting his pants just realizing that he would have been dead if it wasn't for old hag.
The only time I saw Whitbeard being worried is when he had a heart attack in the worst posebol moment...
...and that was the only time I saw Whitbeard being worried first Time, and overall Whitbeard was absolutely fearless in his path to Valhalla.
I don't need to talk about how rational Shanks Is since we all saw that in east blue, but when it was necessary he came to Marinford with only one ship and with only his crew challenging all Admirals, Blackbeard and Shichibukais at the same time
When Shiki came to Roger he brought his huge fleet but when he wanted to prove Marians how weak they are compared to pairets he came alone to Marinford...
...dispite knowing that he has zero chance against both Garp and Sengoku.
And even Blackbeard who has multiple personalities and some times he can be a caword he wasn't afraid to challenge all Admirals with only his crew
What I'm trying to say is that I have nathing against people who use dirty tricks in order to win the war, in a war every means are justified. But the sheer fact that Kaido didn't give Oden the second chance in fair 1v1 when he already had been taken over the country just shows that he excepted the way he defeated him. I wouldn't be mad if Kaido wasn't shown to respect the strength, someone who tries to find strong people to challenge them in a fight in order to find out who is the strongest. We will never find out if Kaido was strong enough to defeat Oden in 1v1, Kaido also let Orochi increase the temperature of oil breaking his promise to Oden, he also broke his promise to Oden that he will not kill those who survived the boiling. There are so many instances where Kaido is afraid of Oden and if he was truly respecting strength and Oden he would give him a chance for a fair fight to find who is the strongest, and I'm not blaming Kaido for that cuz Kaido is just a character, I'm blaming Oda for breaking his character, for running his character, for using him as a hype tool.
People telling me about rationality, that Kaido was rational etc. Guys, I'm all for rationality, I like rational characters, for that specific reason I like Law more than I like strowhats, Kid or anyone from current generation. Big Mom has shown rationality by wanting to gain more military power to take down other Yonkos
But at the same time she's fearless if it's necessary, she came to Wano with only half of her crew, with only Smoothie from her commanders and with only one ship with an absolute confidence that she can take down Kaido if things go bad, Kaido threatened her saying that he will kill her if she came but Big Mom couldn't care less, even king was surprised to see how bold Big Mom is saying "what were you thinking coming here with only one ship".
I think that Admirals are overall weaker than Yonkos and that you need at least two Admirals to take down one Yonko but I don't think Whitbeard would be able to defeat all 5 Admirals combined with Shichibukais all by himself even if he was in his prime. Whitebeard was one of the most rational characters in one piece, he was avoiding fighting even against weak Marians just because it was unnecessary, but when it was needed he was fearless. Dispite the fact that he was half dead, that he lost his three most powerful crew members Ace, Tuch, Blackbeard and the fact that the enemy had advantage in numbers by 95 to 1 he still did what was needed to done.
And again, just for comparison...
Whitebeard didn't even flinch while losing half of his head while Kaido was shiting his pants just realizing that he would have been dead if it wasn't for old hag.
The only time I saw Whitbeard being worried is when he had a heart attack in the worst posebol moment...
...and that was the only time I saw Whitbeard being worried first Time, and overall Whitbeard was absolutely fearless in his path to Valhalla.
I don't need to talk about how rational Shanks Is since we all saw that in east blue, but when it was necessary he came to Marinford with only one ship and with only his crew challenging all Admirals, Blackbeard and Shichibukais at the same time
When Shiki came to Roger he brought his huge fleet but when he wanted to prove Marians how weak they are compared to pairets he came alone to Marinford...
...dispite knowing that he has zero chance against both Garp and Sengoku.
And even Blackbeard who has multiple personalities and some times he can be a caword he wasn't afraid to challenge all Admirals with only his crew
What I'm trying to say is that I have nathing against people who use dirty tricks in order to win the war, in a war every means are justified. But the sheer fact that Kaido didn't give Oden the second chance in fair 1v1 when he already had been taken over the country just shows that he excepted the way he defeated him. I wouldn't be mad if Kaido wasn't shown to respect the strength, someone who tries to find strong people to challenge them in a fight in order to find out who is the strongest. We will never find out if Kaido was strong enough to defeat Oden in 1v1, Kaido also let Orochi increase the temperature of oil breaking his promise to Oden, he also broke his promise to Oden that he will not kill those who survived the boiling. There are so many instances where Kaido is afraid of Oden and if he was truly respecting strength and Oden he would give him a chance for a fair fight to find who is the strongest, and I'm not blaming Kaido for that cuz Kaido is just a character, I'm blaming Oda for breaking his character, for running his character, for using him as a hype tool.
Kaido isn't afraid of Oden in any instance in the story. Kaido had that look on his face because of what the witch did not because of Oden. Nice cropping though you tried
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Bro your talking out your ass comparing Apoo shortly stunning Luffy to Kaido busting open his head laying on the floor and needed severe medical 🚑 attention. Also Big mom didn't knock out Luffy, he went out of Gear 4. He said he wanted to do one punch. His eyes was just droopy from using G4.
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I meant endurance not durability I made a mistake i guess. Whitebeard had highest level of endurance and Oden doesn't even stand close to him, when it comes to durability Oden and Whitbeard's durability were on the same level, I mean Oden was wounded by arrows so...
The oil temperature is a wrong measure, magma has a quite low temperature compared to fier if we are talking about magma on the surface of the planet, but, the temperature of the core of the planet which is made out of magma is as hot as the surface of the sun, so Akainu can increase the temperature of his magma to to a point when becomes a mini sun. The temperature of the oil was indeed higher than the temperature of magma but it wasn't even as hot as the temperature of melting steel otherwise the pan would have been melted, and we've seen Akainu increasing the temperature of his magma well over the temperature of melting steel.
So no, the temperature of Akainu's magma and the temperature of oil (with regular magma temperature) are very different, and if Akainu punched Oden he would have made a big hole in Oden just like with Whitbeard, Oda didn't say about Akainu's DF highest AP for nathing and Akainu's DF is broken as fuck.
About Whitbeard's endurance vs Oden
Oden was down with one punch to his head when Whitbeard didn't even flinch while losing half of his head and he still managed to defeat Blackbeard in that condition. So please, don't tell me about Oden's endurance, he for sure has one of the highest endurance in the story but nowhere near to Whitbeard's.
I would agree about the feat's (kind of) but Luffy was oneshoted by Big Mom so stop it.
Did you forget?
I would agree with you if it wasn't for Oda's love of Samurais, he didn't Wank Oden sacrificing Kaido just to show later that Kaido was playing with him.
We will never find out wether you're right or not, the story wants to show us that the good guys are better than bad guys, the bad guys are weaker and scared of good guys and the only reason the good guys were defeated was cuz of derty tricks, I'm sorry that Oda choose that story but the only thing I can do is tell the truth.
Kaido was mad cuz of interference but he could give Oden second chance and he didn't and based on Kaido's decision I can tell that he was scared of Oden, that's the story that Oda choose to tell us.
The oil temperature is a wrong measure, magma has a quite low temperature compared to fier if we are talking about magma on the surface of the planet, but, the temperature of the core of the planet which is made out of magma is as hot as the surface of the sun, so Akainu can increase the temperature of his magma to to a point when becomes a mini sun. The temperature of the oil was indeed higher than the temperature of magma but it wasn't even as hot as the temperature of melting steel otherwise the pan would have been melted, and we've seen Akainu increasing the temperature of his magma well over the temperature of melting steel.
So no, the temperature of Akainu's magma and the temperature of oil (with regular magma temperature) are very different, and if Akainu punched Oden he would have made a big hole in Oden just like with Whitbeard, Oda didn't say about Akainu's DF highest AP for nathing and Akainu's DF is broken as fuck.
About Whitbeard's endurance vs Oden
Oden was down with one punch to his head when Whitbeard didn't even flinch while losing half of his head and he still managed to defeat Blackbeard in that condition. So please, don't tell me about Oden's endurance, he for sure has one of the highest endurance in the story but nowhere near to Whitbeard's.
I would agree about the feat's (kind of) but Luffy was oneshoted by Big Mom so stop it.
Did you forget?
I would agree with you if it wasn't for Oda's love of Samurais, he didn't Wank Oden sacrificing Kaido just to show later that Kaido was playing with him.
We will never find out wether you're right or not, the story wants to show us that the good guys are better than bad guys, the bad guys are weaker and scared of good guys and the only reason the good guys were defeated was cuz of derty tricks, I'm sorry that Oda choose that story but the only thing I can do is tell the truth.
Kaido was mad cuz of interference but he could give Oden second chance and he didn't and based on Kaido's decision I can tell that he was scared of Oden, that's the story that Oda choose to tell us.
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Kaido doesn't need to give him a fair chance in 1 v 1 because he a pirate. Oden lost the war and it seems you haven't read the story clearly. Kaido goes to the Marines and Youkous and challenged them and get captured all the time.
Kaido isn't afraid of Oden in any instance in the story. Kaido had that look on his face because of what the witch did not because of Oden. Nice cropping though you tried
Kaido isn't afraid of Oden in any instance in the story. Kaido had that look on his face because of what the witch did not because of Oden. Nice cropping though you tried
I myself said that in a war any means justified and I agree that pairets shouldn't fight fair, but Kaido is a guy who respects strength and strong people, he wants to have a fair fight but he still accepted the way he defeated Oden (I feel like I'm repeating me thousand times since people don't read my comments and rush to tell what already has been talled) he could give him a fair 1v1 after he had been taken over the country just to find out who is the strongest, but he didn't, also he broke his promises to Oden, he let Orochi to increase the temperature etc.
However, he does fulfill his role of being a major antagonist this arc and I'm not totally disappointed by that 
How can i enjoy Kaidou?
- By improving his character to fulfill the previous hype to make "greatest war the world has ever seen" motivation. Like deepening his boredom toward the world since no one can even come close compete against him in a combat, etc.
- By Oda revealing that the flashback of Kaidou being a coward, slashed by Oden etc to be a false memory created by Pudding. And in the actuality Kaidou is the one who in the past defeated both Roger and Xebec, also actually neg-diffing Oden,
- and to make him neg-diffing the entire alliance by himself. Only for Luffy to go ham and reach Voice of All Things to become Jojo's The World Over Heaven, and for Kaidou to finally found an equal in powered-up Luffy that gains The Beast's respect. Regardless of who winning or losing, Kaidou finally respecting Luffy's power after loldiffing everyone else and bored over the world's weakness would seem enjoyable for me.
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Lil bit exaggerating but the main ideas are those.
- By improving his character to fulfill the previous hype to make "greatest war the world has ever seen" motivation. Like deepening his boredom toward the world since no one can even come close compete against him in a combat, etc.
- By Oda revealing that the flashback of Kaidou being a coward, slashed by Oden etc to be a false memory created by Pudding. And in the actuality Kaidou is the one who in the past defeated both Roger and Xebec, also actually neg-diffing Oden,
- and to make him neg-diffing the entire alliance by himself. Only for Luffy to go ham and reach Voice of All Things to become Jojo's The World Over Heaven, and for Kaidou to finally found an equal in powered-up Luffy that gains The Beast's respect. Regardless of who winning or losing, Kaidou finally respecting Luffy's power after loldiffing everyone else and bored over the world's weakness would seem enjoyable for me.
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Lil bit exaggerating but the main ideas are those.
I can't, he is a flat character and we are almost 100 chapters into his arc and I didn't connect at all with him, I highly prefer Big Mom because despite Oda's tendencies with her, she actually have a personality...
For real this is more of a Orochi arc than Kaido's 100%, Orochi has actually been a mastermind and always doubtful of the reports he receives and Kaido.... He is just there to be a badass I guess... Let's hope his flashback does some work for him because as of now he is one of the most boring villains in OP for me.
For real this is more of a Orochi arc than Kaido's 100%, Orochi has actually been a mastermind and always doubtful of the reports he receives and Kaido.... He is just there to be a badass I guess... Let's hope his flashback does some work for him because as of now he is one of the most boring villains in OP for me.
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I believe we have yet to see kaido's character and what drives him.
I highly suspect that it has something to do with xebec.
Imo, he really respected and loved his captain, so much, that he even build his crew like him.
The only rule in kaido's crew is... strength.
If you are strong enough, you can climb up. Nothing more, nothing less. Put that together with whitebeards talk with oden, where he described his past crew (rocks) and it will make sense.
I don't buy the stuff with "he is sooo bored, so he wants to die/ start the greatest war ever".
Because that doesn't add up with his past 25 years. He steadily build up his territory, allances and crew. Just look at it, wano, samurais, joker/dressrosa, mass destruction weapons/ceasar clown, smiles/tobi roppo, etc. etc.
He said to oden "we were at a disadvantage at that time". That is not what someone who is bored and thus wants excitement would say. Because it is even better, when he has a disadvantage, since it would make the fighr even more exciting etc.
So no one can make me believe, that that what was shown and said till now, is true.
He has a plan and tries to execute this for at least 25 years. I bet it is the wish of xebec/what he tried to achieve or something like that. And we will see it.
AND kaido is NOT the strongest creature ever. AND he would not always win in a 1vs1. THAT is just the speculation about him what goes around the world. Meaning, it is the hype he receives from the FODDER of the world.
Everything else wouldn't make sense. His fight with oden, with big mom (they fought for 3 days, none of them were injured, so their power is NEARLY equal at least... like with ace vs jinbei or akainu vs aokiji) etc.
Not long till everything will be shown. I hope at that time, the fandom realizes the writing of oda (he hypes every fucking character up, the stronger the character, the greater the hype)
And btw, I am not saying that xebec is alive or so, I hope he is dead and stays dead.
So till now, we haven't seen kaido. Imo.
I highly suspect that it has something to do with xebec.
Imo, he really respected and loved his captain, so much, that he even build his crew like him.
The only rule in kaido's crew is... strength.
If you are strong enough, you can climb up. Nothing more, nothing less. Put that together with whitebeards talk with oden, where he described his past crew (rocks) and it will make sense.
I don't buy the stuff with "he is sooo bored, so he wants to die/ start the greatest war ever".
Because that doesn't add up with his past 25 years. He steadily build up his territory, allances and crew. Just look at it, wano, samurais, joker/dressrosa, mass destruction weapons/ceasar clown, smiles/tobi roppo, etc. etc.
He said to oden "we were at a disadvantage at that time". That is not what someone who is bored and thus wants excitement would say. Because it is even better, when he has a disadvantage, since it would make the fighr even more exciting etc.
So no one can make me believe, that that what was shown and said till now, is true.
He has a plan and tries to execute this for at least 25 years. I bet it is the wish of xebec/what he tried to achieve or something like that. And we will see it.
AND kaido is NOT the strongest creature ever. AND he would not always win in a 1vs1. THAT is just the speculation about him what goes around the world. Meaning, it is the hype he receives from the FODDER of the world.
Everything else wouldn't make sense. His fight with oden, with big mom (they fought for 3 days, none of them were injured, so their power is NEARLY equal at least... like with ace vs jinbei or akainu vs aokiji) etc.
Not long till everything will be shown. I hope at that time, the fandom realizes the writing of oda (he hypes every fucking character up, the stronger the character, the greater the hype)
And btw, I am not saying that xebec is alive or so, I hope he is dead and stays dead.
So till now, we haven't seen kaido. Imo.
I think I need to do some explanation here in addition to my original post/thread.
People telling me about rationality, that Kaido was rational etc. Guys, I'm all for rationality, I like rational characters, for that specific reason I like Law more than I like strowhats, Kid or anyone from current generation. Big Mom has shown rationality by wanting to gain more military power to take down other Yonkos
But at the same time she's fearless if it's necessary, she came to Wano with only half of her crew, with only Smoothie from her commanders and with only one ship with an absolute confidence that she can take down Kaido if things go bad, Kaido threatened her saying that he will kill her if she came but Big Mom couldn't care less, even king was surprised to see how bold Big Mom is saying "what were you thinking coming here with only one ship".
I think that Admirals are overall weaker than Yonkos and that you need at least two Admirals to take down one Yonko but I don't think Whitbeard would be able to defeat all 5 Admirals combined with Shichibukais all by himself even if he was in his prime. Whitebeard was one of the most rational characters in one piece, he was avoiding fighting even against weak Marians just because it was unnecessary, but when it was needed he was fearless. Dispite the fact that he was half dead, that he lost his three most powerful crew members Ace, Tuch, Blackbeard and the fact that the enemy had advantage in numbers by 95 to 1 he still did what was needed to done.
And again, just for comparison...
Whitebeard didn't even flinch while losing half of his head while Kaido was shiting his pants just realizing that he would have been dead if it wasn't for old hag.
The only time I saw Whitbeard being worried is when he had a heart attack in the worst posebol moment...
...and that was the only time I saw Whitbeard being worried first Time, and overall Whitbeard was absolutely fearless in his path to Valhalla.
I don't need to talk about how rational Shanks Is since we all saw that in east blue, but when it was necessary he came to Marinford with only one ship and with only his crew challenging all Admirals, Blackbeard and Shichibukais at the same time
When Shiki came to Roger he brought his huge fleet but when he wanted to prove Marians how weak they are compared to pairets he came alone to Marinford...
...dispite knowing that he has zero chance against both Garp and Sengoku.
And even Blackbeard who has multiple personalities and some times he can be a caword he wasn't afraid to challenge all Admirals with only his crew
What I'm trying to say is that I have nathing against people who use dirty tricks in order to win the war, in a war every means are justified. But the sheer fact that Kaido didn't give Oden the second chance in fair 1v1 when he already had been taken over the country just shows that he excepted the way he defeated him. I wouldn't be mad if Kaido wasn't shown to respect the strength, someone who tries to find strong people to challenge them in a fight in order to find out who is the strongest. We will never find out if Kaido was strong enough to defeat Oden in 1v1, Kaido also let Orochi increase the temperature of oil breaking his promise to Oden, he also broke his promise to Oden that he will not kill those who survived the boiling. There are so many instances where Kaido is afraid of Oden and if he was truly respecting strength and Oden he would give him a chance for a fair fight to find who is the strongest, and I'm not blaming Kaido for that cuz Kaido is just a character, I'm blaming Oda for breaking his character, for running his character, for using him as a hype tool.
People telling me about rationality, that Kaido was rational etc. Guys, I'm all for rationality, I like rational characters, for that specific reason I like Law more than I like strowhats, Kid or anyone from current generation. Big Mom has shown rationality by wanting to gain more military power to take down other Yonkos
But at the same time she's fearless if it's necessary, she came to Wano with only half of her crew, with only Smoothie from her commanders and with only one ship with an absolute confidence that she can take down Kaido if things go bad, Kaido threatened her saying that he will kill her if she came but Big Mom couldn't care less, even king was surprised to see how bold Big Mom is saying "what were you thinking coming here with only one ship".
I think that Admirals are overall weaker than Yonkos and that you need at least two Admirals to take down one Yonko but I don't think Whitbeard would be able to defeat all 5 Admirals combined with Shichibukais all by himself even if he was in his prime. Whitebeard was one of the most rational characters in one piece, he was avoiding fighting even against weak Marians just because it was unnecessary, but when it was needed he was fearless. Dispite the fact that he was half dead, that he lost his three most powerful crew members Ace, Tuch, Blackbeard and the fact that the enemy had advantage in numbers by 95 to 1 he still did what was needed to done.
And again, just for comparison...
Whitebeard didn't even flinch while losing half of his head while Kaido was shiting his pants just realizing that he would have been dead if it wasn't for old hag.
The only time I saw Whitbeard being worried is when he had a heart attack in the worst posebol moment...
...and that was the only time I saw Whitbeard being worried first Time, and overall Whitbeard was absolutely fearless in his path to Valhalla.
I don't need to talk about how rational Shanks Is since we all saw that in east blue, but when it was necessary he came to Marinford with only one ship and with only his crew challenging all Admirals, Blackbeard and Shichibukais at the same time
When Shiki came to Roger he brought his huge fleet but when he wanted to prove Marians how weak they are compared to pairets he came alone to Marinford...
...dispite knowing that he has zero chance against both Garp and Sengoku.
And even Blackbeard who has multiple personalities and some times he can be a caword he wasn't afraid to challenge all Admirals with only his crew
What I'm trying to say is that I have nathing against people who use dirty tricks in order to win the war, in a war every means are justified. But the sheer fact that Kaido didn't give Oden the second chance in fair 1v1 when he already had been taken over the country just shows that he excepted the way he defeated him. I wouldn't be mad if Kaido wasn't shown to respect the strength, someone who tries to find strong people to challenge them in a fight in order to find out who is the strongest. We will never find out if Kaido was strong enough to defeat Oden in 1v1, Kaido also let Orochi increase the temperature of oil breaking his promise to Oden, he also broke his promise to Oden that he will not kill those who survived the boiling. There are so many instances where Kaido is afraid of Oden and if he was truly respecting strength and Oden he would give him a chance for a fair fight to find who is the strongest, and I'm not blaming Kaido for that cuz Kaido is just a character, I'm blaming Oda for breaking his character, for running his character, for using him as a hype tool.
God, I've said about 20 years ago so, so, soooooo, many times that I'm just going to copy paste here my old answer to that.
He indeed has become stronger but not considerably, not as much as you think he has.... what Oden said about "no one being able to defeat Kaido in their generation" means that Kaido was at the very least strong enough to defend himself against Admirals and Yonkos which means he was top tier back then and I'm not going to dismiss Oden's words because it goes against your subjective reality. This Idea of Kaido not being strong enough 20 years ago comes from Sengoku's comment about Big Mom and Kaido but people forget that he was talking about Rocks' time and not about 20 years ago. Why do people forget that Whitbeard reached his prime at age of 38? I mean Shanks is Yonko at age of 39 and he became Yonko 6 years ago, so he became Yonko at age of 33, Blackbeard is a Yonko at age of 40, Aokiji is now 49 years Old and he became Admiral around decade ago, so he became Admiral at age of 39, Luffy will become Yonko at age of 20 and he will be the Pirate King at age of 25+ and you're telling me that Kaido was much weaker back 20 years ago then he is now? Like come on man, this is beyond ridiculous.
There's no way, literally no way that gap between Kaido back then and now is as vast and big as you think it is, the gap between him back then so small that it's irrelevant to the story.
He indeed has become stronger but not considerably, not as much as you think he has.... what Oden said about "no one being able to defeat Kaido in their generation" means that Kaido was at the very least strong enough to defend himself against Admirals and Yonkos which means he was top tier back then and I'm not going to dismiss Oden's words because it goes against your subjective reality. This Idea of Kaido not being strong enough 20 years ago comes from Sengoku's comment about Big Mom and Kaido but people forget that he was talking about Rocks' time and not about 20 years ago. Why do people forget that Whitbeard reached his prime at age of 38? I mean Shanks is Yonko at age of 39 and he became Yonko 6 years ago, so he became Yonko at age of 33, Blackbeard is a Yonko at age of 40, Aokiji is now 49 years Old and he became Admiral around decade ago, so he became Admiral at age of 39, Luffy will become Yonko at age of 20 and he will be the Pirate King at age of 25+ and you're telling me that Kaido was much weaker back 20 years ago then he is now? Like come on man, this is beyond ridiculous.
There's no way, literally no way that gap between Kaido back then and now is as vast and big as you think it is, the gap between him back then so small that it's irrelevant to the story.
Laido is trash people say he’s honorable when he killed the old hag but he didn’t want to redo the fight with oden instead when oden was saying his last words he shot him he didn’t even let finish how can you call him honorable?
he killed the old hag because of his insecurity that he need to cheat to defeat oden
and when bigmom came he was shitting himself
the tite world strongest creature is for his zoan df not for his strength there is alot of characters who is stronger
he killed the old hag because of his insecurity that he need to cheat to defeat oden
and when bigmom came he was shitting himself
the tite world strongest creature is for his zoan df not for his strength there is alot of characters who is stronger
Literally everything in this comment is conjecture and not actually with any proof lmao. Kaido was not the WSC 20 years ago, there was no indication of that. Moria went up against him confidently and Kaido LOST forces then. You are overblowing Kaido's strength 20 years ago, he is clearly much stronger now.