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1. The left is not against freedom of speech, its against absolute freedom of speech, the kind of radical thinking that you can say everything even the most hurtfull things to people (things that can kill in the worst cases) and not be punished for it.
2. Because someone thinks that we are woke or against nature or even wants our death because of their beliefs doesn't means that we should let those people suffer under systemic oppression or in the worst cases in some countries die in atrocious conditions and accept war crimes and genocide against them.
I would fight the same for you if you were in the same condition mate. No matter if you are a bigot or a nazi. Every human have foundamental rights.
2. Because someone thinks that we are woke or against nature or even wants our death because of their beliefs doesn't means that we should let those people suffer under systemic oppression or in the worst cases in some countries die in atrocious conditions and accept war crimes and genocide against them.
I would fight the same for you if you were in the same condition mate. No matter if you are a bigot or a nazi. Every human have foundamental rights.
So should people be punished for things that are hurtful to me, like me being called a cis woman instead of just woman? Or are my feelings discounted in means to make someone else happy?
Almost kidding because everyone knows my generation understands words are just words and were raised with the now-dead saying. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Now we have the tide pod generation. But we were also raised on the saying, if your friend jumps off a bridge would you? So we tended not to do idiotic things because people told us to, or were doing.
It's still an honest question. Should people be punished for things I find offensive?
Who is the judge of who has a right to be offended by language deemed hurtful?
How do we measure this?
I like absolute free speech. I would prefer people to tell me what they think and not have to wonder what awful things they are saying behind closed doors.
Almost kidding because everyone knows my generation understands words are just words and were raised with the now-dead saying. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Now we have the tide pod generation. But we were also raised on the saying, if your friend jumps off a bridge would you? So we tended not to do idiotic things because people told us to, or were doing.
It's still an honest question. Should people be punished for things I find offensive?
Who is the judge of who has a right to be offended by language deemed hurtful?
How do we measure this?
I like absolute free speech. I would prefer people to tell me what they think and not have to wonder what awful things they are saying behind closed doors.
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- There is no half freedom. You ate either free or not.
- The Systemic oppression is you aiding them and giving them money only for them to use to kill others.
- You are fighting against me and all people of the world that are not Muslims. Actually not even Muslims but their people because I'm pretty sure if they ever rip Israrl out of the map (not happening) they would go for countries like Egypt for example. Russia, China, Hamas and others are no different from Hitler and Nazis. They want global domination and ethnic supremacy and cleansing
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Only if you came out as a woke.
The wokes are the judges.
How much cry a woke is doing will be the measure.
Hamas and other Muslims that spread hate speech have absolute free speech pass from the wokes.
Emphasis on usually.
But you would argue a man without any changes to their appearance would be a woman if they claim to be transgender.
And seriously, with 90% of trans women it is easily recognizable that they are trans
Lmfao, this is incredibly anti-reality
Ofc people are wtf.
Straight men will disagree
Yeah hit me up when the retarded gender definition is the only one , until then transwomen are men. Get over it.
Wut???
Your feelings dont matter you damned transphobe
@Logiko
Thats not possible. Incitement to violence or libel for example
But you would argue a man without any changes to their appearance would be a woman if they claim to be transgender.
And seriously, with 90% of trans women it is easily recognizable that they are trans
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Lmfao, this is incredibly anti-reality
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Ofc people are wtf.
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Straight men will disagree
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Yeah hit me up when the retarded gender definition is the only one , until then transwomen are men. Get over it.
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Wut???
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Your feelings dont matter you damned transphobe
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@Logiko
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Thats not possible. Incitement to violence or libel for example
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And the issue is that trans women for example claim they are factually the same as biological women, and demand the same privileges, protections and medications(like birth control or period cramp pills).
Sports is the easy low hanging fruit that shatters the whole notion. Men and women are separated in sports because of striking biological differences. Because someone identifies as trans, all of the fairness gets thrown out the window for the convenience of as little as one, and to the detriment of the rest. Someone like Dylan Mulvaney can become the 2023 Women of the Year simply for being trans for less than a year, and doing jack all during that time.
Sports is the easy low hanging fruit that shatters the whole notion. Men and women are separated in sports because of striking biological differences. Because someone identifies as trans, all of the fairness gets thrown out the window for the convenience of as little as one, and to the detriment of the rest. Someone like Dylan Mulvaney can become the 2023 Women of the Year simply for being trans for less than a year, and doing jack all during that time.
Its not hurtfull to you. No one is oppressing you by calling you cis and you are not discriminated because of that. Cis just means "identifying to the same gender identified at birth, this is not an insult. I, for example, am a cis man.
On the other hand, people are discriminated for being trans or even cis women. So lets not make an fallacious equivalence here.
You maybe, other people are not as strong as yours. You might wanna learn - for example - about the power of words in the context of the golem effect. But even closer, words have effect, not only on the way you think but also on other people. People kill themself because of words.
Let's not forget about that.
It depends, do the things you find offensive are legitimately things that can hurt actual oppressed people in society ? If that's the case, then yes.
So when an entire class tells a child to kill themself and the child does it or try to do it, then there should be no punishment or prevention done to forbide other children from saying those stuff ?
Or maybe your point of view doesn't apply to children and you might wanna be reminded that adult can face the same kind of behavior ?
What happens when someone with gender disphoria and suicidal tendancy gets told multiple time and time again that they are not normal ?? Should the person not face consequences for their words ?
But lets take a more random example : What happens when on television famous far right personnality explains that we should kill people because of their identity and it happens that... a lunatic kills multiple people in a gay bar the day after... Should this person not face any consequence for their words ?
You ask me to tell you how you mesure what is offensive or not. But I ask you the following instead:
How do you measure that something is acceptable ?
Yes there is, its called freedom of speech and its different from absolute freedom of speech.
#YouDontUnderstandWhatYouAreTalkingABout.
You are talking about white supremacist here ?
Nop. THey are denounced just as much. But since those denounciation would go against your agenda, you don't talk about it and you spread disinformation. Typical far right intellectual lazyness.
And ?
No, this is following the studies mate. THere are difference of performance but only when you look at the most competitive datas.
I'm talking about this forum. Yes, in the word transmen are also oppressed, that's a reality. But people here are choosing to focus on transwomen for some (not obvious at all) reason.
We are not talking about sexual preference here but the differenciation of transwomen from cis women as individuals in society.
And you still don't understand why you are not on my side of the political fence ? Dude.. take a hint.
Nop. No trans women say that, you are either lying or moral panicking or both.
That they should get yes.
No, mainly because of patriarchy. The difference is only observable in the data of the more competitive scenes.
Good for her.
That's only your point of view. I think it has more to do with the representation she provided.
The left doesn't promote hate speech. But yes, they do incite violence when its needed and just.
On the other hand, people are discriminated for being trans or even cis women. So lets not make an fallacious equivalence here.
You maybe, other people are not as strong as yours. You might wanna learn - for example - about the power of words in the context of the golem effect. But even closer, words have effect, not only on the way you think but also on other people. People kill themself because of words.
Let's not forget about that.
It depends, do the things you find offensive are legitimately things that can hurt actual oppressed people in society ? If that's the case, then yes.
So when an entire class tells a child to kill themself and the child does it or try to do it, then there should be no punishment or prevention done to forbide other children from saying those stuff ?
Or maybe your point of view doesn't apply to children and you might wanna be reminded that adult can face the same kind of behavior ?
What happens when someone with gender disphoria and suicidal tendancy gets told multiple time and time again that they are not normal ?? Should the person not face consequences for their words ?
But lets take a more random example : What happens when on television famous far right personnality explains that we should kill people because of their identity and it happens that... a lunatic kills multiple people in a gay bar the day after... Should this person not face any consequence for their words ?
You ask me to tell you how you mesure what is offensive or not. But I ask you the following instead:
How do you measure that something is acceptable ?
Yes there is, its called freedom of speech and its different from absolute freedom of speech.
#YouDontUnderstandWhatYouAreTalkingABout.
You are talking about white supremacist here ?
Nop. THey are denounced just as much. But since those denounciation would go against your agenda, you don't talk about it and you spread disinformation. Typical far right intellectual lazyness.
And ?
No, this is following the studies mate. THere are difference of performance but only when you look at the most competitive datas.
I'm talking about this forum. Yes, in the word transmen are also oppressed, that's a reality. But people here are choosing to focus on transwomen for some (not obvious at all) reason.
We are not talking about sexual preference here but the differenciation of transwomen from cis women as individuals in society.
And you still don't understand why you are not on my side of the political fence ? Dude.. take a hint.
Nop. No trans women say that, you are either lying or moral panicking or both.
That they should get yes.
No, mainly because of patriarchy. The difference is only observable in the data of the more competitive scenes.
Good for her.
That's only your point of view. I think it has more to do with the representation she provided.
The left doesn't promote hate speech. But yes, they do incite violence when its needed and just.
@Logiko that's a lot to address.
1.) Is it not oppression when I'm being told my feeling are invalid and my opinion means nothing? Or that, I'm supposed to let someone tell me what a big part of my identity is. The word cis has been weaponized by the left to insult people. Not just women either. How many times I hear "You're opinion don't count because you a cis man." Like that invalidates people.
2.) Not only am I strong but the majority of my generation. That is the problem. We aren't raising strong kids anymore and I'm not sure how we found ourselves on this path. I know my kids laugh at people who attempt to bully them, because they ain't got nothing on their momma lol. I threaten to get out of the car and dance in front of their friends. My oldest used to get mad at his online friends when they said things regarding his momma. I tried the son I don't care you don't need to care. That wasn't effective so, when ever he said something. My response was "Your momma."
Final thought: Stop telling people they need other validation to be. If you need validation from others you need to do some soul searching to understand yourself.
3.) Yes it steals people's voices away. They are afraid to say how certain things make them feel.
4.) I will have to back up my words on what I said with this one. Bullying isn't ok. Because also it's not ok to scream fire in a crowded theater. I do think you generally got the idea of what I was saying though.
On the second part. I have to agree I'm sort of nuance on this. If a cult leader tells their cult to drink the poisoned cool-aid (by the way it wasn't really cool-aid) and they drink it. That's kinda dumb on them.
Then there is the Charles Manson case where he got his groupies to go murder people. Though I guess, I would put this under a mastermind. Kinda like hiring a hit man.
I believe a majority things are acceptable, even if I define the person as a piece shit for what they say or do.
Conclusion I hold my thoughts on people being able to say what they want to say, but there are very few things that deserve punishment.
1.) Is it not oppression when I'm being told my feeling are invalid and my opinion means nothing? Or that, I'm supposed to let someone tell me what a big part of my identity is. The word cis has been weaponized by the left to insult people. Not just women either. How many times I hear "You're opinion don't count because you a cis man." Like that invalidates people.
2.) Not only am I strong but the majority of my generation. That is the problem. We aren't raising strong kids anymore and I'm not sure how we found ourselves on this path. I know my kids laugh at people who attempt to bully them, because they ain't got nothing on their momma lol. I threaten to get out of the car and dance in front of their friends. My oldest used to get mad at his online friends when they said things regarding his momma. I tried the son I don't care you don't need to care. That wasn't effective so, when ever he said something. My response was "Your momma."
Final thought: Stop telling people they need other validation to be. If you need validation from others you need to do some soul searching to understand yourself.
3.) Yes it steals people's voices away. They are afraid to say how certain things make them feel.
4.) I will have to back up my words on what I said with this one. Bullying isn't ok. Because also it's not ok to scream fire in a crowded theater. I do think you generally got the idea of what I was saying though.
On the second part. I have to agree I'm sort of nuance on this. If a cult leader tells their cult to drink the poisoned cool-aid (by the way it wasn't really cool-aid) and they drink it. That's kinda dumb on them.
Then there is the Charles Manson case where he got his groupies to go murder people. Though I guess, I would put this under a mastermind. Kinda like hiring a hit man.
I believe a majority things are acceptable, even if I define the person as a piece shit for what they say or do.
Conclusion I hold my thoughts on people being able to say what they want to say, but there are very few things that deserve punishment.
It got this way because so much of the movement appeals to narcissism and removes accountability. If you are unhappy, instead of telling you that you have the power to improve yourself and the sky is the limit, you are told that you are perfect the way you are and that it's society that needs to change to accommodate you. Combine that with the internet where you can easily build your own echo chamber.
I vote we get rid of the IRS. I have to travel to an IRS office to meet a woman even though I did everything exactly the way she told me and made the payment. I called and confirmed everything was clear and now I just got a letter saying I didn't pay it. 
No they dont
And you can decide that?
Arrogant fuck
And straight men will differentiate due to their sexual preference?!
Obviously sports are competitive. Thats kinda the point of it
And no, there are differences generally on average.
My dislike for a circular definition thats essentially meaningless has nothing to do with my political leaning whatsoever.
Antilogiko strikes again
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And you can decide that?
Arrogant fuck
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And straight men will differentiate due to their sexual preference?!
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Obviously sports are competitive. Thats kinda the point of it
And no, there are differences generally on average.
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My dislike for a circular definition thats essentially meaningless has nothing to do with my political leaning whatsoever.
Antilogiko strikes again
https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/lifes...ppy-anxious-and-depressed-new-study-suggests/
Without any research on my part. I tend to find this too. If I watch regular entertainment I find it more bearable because the people seem happy, while woke entertainers seem a bit more miserable.
Without any research on my part. I tend to find this too. If I watch regular entertainment I find it more bearable because the people seem happy, while woke entertainers seem a bit more miserable.