Controversial General Political Discussion

[Uncle Van]

It's still funny how whenever I speak while generalizing to save time, instead of simply asking me to elaborate, so many choose to make assumptions to fit their narrative Lol. And when I do elaborate, they insist on doubling down instead of admitting they were premature.

So far I'm a pro capitalistic, communistic, left leaning, right leaning, conservative+liberal+woke person. I'm everyone and everything.

 

[Saturn-sama]

How is that a fact

it‘s pretty logical. Everyone who counts the ballots are political. Those who provide the ballots to the „higher ups“ are political too..

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Conspiracy theory= truth in 3 months. Everyone who is not biased and unhinged knows that.

In fact the far woke progressive lunatics (people like you) are the biggest conspiracy nutjubs

So yeah being called from people like you, it‘s a badge of honor.

So you still can‘t grasp that lol

Dude lmao!

Talks about being biased while throwing labels at me that have been used more than your sister on a Friday night.

Who's alt are you anyway?

 

[Saturn-sama]

Dude lmao!

Talks about being biased while throwing labels at me that have been used more than your sister on a Friday night.

Who's alt are you anyway?

what are you even babbling. I don‘t have a sister lmao.

dito I could ask you the same question. I mean I am speaking to your own alt Logiko..

 

[AL sama]

What's the difference between fraud and widespread fraud?

your point is??

How is that a fact

how is it not??

 

[Toby D. Dog]

what are you even babbling. I don‘t have a sister lmao.

dito I could ask you the same question. I mean I am speaking to your own alt Logiko..

Logiko's alt? LMAO!

I'm always arguing with that guy. Just admit you're a dumbass who's only capable of calling woke everything he doesn't like while being politically illiterate at the same time.

At least Uncle talks about substance in spite of my massive disagreements with him.

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your point is??

Fraud does happen. The question is to what scale. Enough to shift an election? Not in 2020.

 

[Herrera95]

it‘s pretty logical. Everyone who counts the ballots are political. Those who provide the ballots to the „higher ups“ are political too..

Yes but that doesn't configures a fact.

In my opinion US should join the electric voting like Brazil.

 

[Saturn-sama]

Logiko's alt? LMAO!

I'm always arguing with that guy. Just admit you're a dumbass who's only capable of calling woke everything he doesn't like while being politically illiterate at the same time.

I Don‘t know you nor do I know your conversation with him. You are literally the same guy throwing the constant dumb buzzwords. I don‘t think you would ARGUE with him. Literally the same misguided person.

Yet you are a dumbass who seemingly calls anyone right-wing and conspiracy nutjob. Ironic yet expexted

At least Uncle talks about substance in spite of my massive disagreements with him.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

It's still funny how whenever I speak while generalizing to save time, instead of simply asking me to elaborate, so many choose to make assumptions to fit their narrative Lol. And when I do elaborate, they insist on doubling down instead of admitting they were premature.

So far I'm a pro capitalistic, communistic, left leaning, right leaning, conservative+liberal+woke person. I'm everyone and everything.

Yes, because I've called you all of those things. At the very least you're implying that the purpose of illegal immigrants is to shift elections in favor of the Democrats, which is just not true. These people don't commit fraud in any meaningful capacity.

 

[AL sama]

Fraud does happen. The question is to what scale. Enough to shift an election? Not in 2020.

can't talk about US but in my country it does change the whole result

 

[Herrera95]

1st generation immigrants

Who are they

 

[Toby D. Dog]

can't talk about US but in my country it does change the whole result

I wouldn't know. Probably.

 

[Saturn-sama]

Yes but that doesn't configures a fact.

In my opinion US should join the electric voting like Brazil.

How is Brazil conducting their electric voting.

Also at the election day an far left german report from the Public Broadcasting Service (has received a voting ballot), who was reporting on the elections posted that on Twitter back then. He has not right to vote as none US-Citizen

 

[Herrera95]

How is Brazil conducting their electric voting.

Also at the election day an far left german report from the Public Broadcasting Service (has received a voting ballot), who was reporting on the elections posted that on Twitter back then. He has not right to vote as none US-Citizen

The electric voting system itself I see no problem on it. The fraud happens in other ways this last election of 2022 specially with the justice system favoring our ex condemned and ex president Lula over the current (at time) Bolsonaro.

 

[Uncle Van]

Yes, because I've called you all of those things. At the very least you're implying that the purpose of illegal immigrants is to shift elections in favor of the Democrats, which is just not true. These people don't commit fraud in any meaningful capacity.

Bolded: You have?

And once again, I was speaking in general and leaving out a ton of other factors to save time. What I said wasn't even false, but the conclusions you were drawing from what I said were. Based on what you're saying here, is it good from me to assume that you admit it does happen(which would be agreeing with me)? Just not in a way that makes a difference?

 

[Logiko]

It really depends on the motivation tho.

Not really. There is no good motivation to say that we should abort foetus with down syndrom (aside from the will of the parents (mostly mother), as they are the own decider on the matter)

it's almost like... there is a bias

Or maybe its because of sociological reason and certain oppressions.. no ? Strange ...

I dont attack other people, that doesnt really matter because they take criticism of their religion personal in alot of cases

Because most of the critics are not aimed at their religion but how THEY act in their religion.

If thats the only options in a hypothetical scenario, id agree with that as well.

oh boi... Sigh

Worked really well for imam tawhidi, oh wait. . . .

That is working great for a lot of leftist muslims so I don't see a problem mate.

I dont care about mosques either, but i know many people who are against it despite not being racists

Can you tell me how you can be against mosquee construction and not be islamophobic ? I'm really intrigued here..

So far I'm a pro capitalistic, communistic, left leaning, right leaning, conservative+liberal+woke person. I'm everyone and everything.

Usually, when that's the case. Its means that you are a confusionnist.

When someone is being bashed by every side, it means that said someone doesn't hold a strong value system and therefore tries to equate leftists values with rightist values (which is why you can be called a conservative and pro capitalist) and rightist or conservative values with leftist values (which is why you can be called a communist or a woke).

I believe that you lean toward liberalism. Simply because you defend the notion of merit. Besides that, there is no way to put you on a side, which is why your discourse is so problematic.

People need to understand that not taking a side and staying "above" the political debate is NOT a sign of wisdom. Its a sign of a fear of affirming our own value system. A fear that can only lead to problematic discourse.

Politic can't be achieve without a conflict of value. If you refuse to affirm you own value system and try to equate incompatible values with eachothers, you are not doing politics, you are are confusing the political scale for others, which can only leads toward the depolitization of the public debate and... chaos or the conservation of the status co.

 

[Uncle Van]

Or maybe, just maybe, people throw out inaccurate labels just because they disagree with something you said.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Bolded: You have?

And once again, I was speaking in general and leaving out a ton of other factors to save time. What I said wasn't even false, but the conclusions you were drawing from what I said were. Based on what you're saying here, is it good from me to assume that you admit it does happen(which would be agreeing with me)? Just not in a way that makes a difference?

When have I called you a commie or an alt right guy? The only time I questioned your political alignment before this was when I said I didn't know what you were. Don't be disingenuous. In this day and age, when people make claims like the ones you made, there is an implication you're making by throwing blanket statements such a as those.

You can say there was fraud here and there, which I'll agree with, cause this is a big ass country and it's statistically inevitable. However, when you say illegal immigration is way more lax because we're close to an election, you're all but implying that their purpose here is to commit fraud en masse in order to shift the election in favor of the Democrats.

 

[Herrera95]

Or maybe, just maybe, people throw out inaccurate labels just because they disagree with something you said.

Like wokes calling everyone who disagree with them a far right fascist

 

[Uncle Van]

When have I called you a commie or an alt right guy? The only time I questioned your political alignment before this was when I said I didn't know what you were. Don't be disingenuous. In this day and age, when people make claims like the ones you made, there is an implication you're making by throwing blanket statements such a as those.

You can say there was fraud here and there, which I'll agree with, cause this is a big ass country and it's statistically inevitable. However, when you say illegal immigration is way more lax because we're close to an election, you're all but implying that their purpose here is to commit fraud en masse in order to shift the election in favor of the Democrats.

I thought you were saying you did call me all those things which confused me. "You have?" was me literally asking if you did cause I never saw it.

EDIT: Also, democratic party has been lax for the longest time. They simply increase their pro illegal immigration stance when election draws near, among other things, like how Republicans increase their moral and religious panic around this time.