Powers & Abilities At what point did Oda retcon Luffy's DF?
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It wasn't retconned. Shanks having that at the beginning of the story was on purpose. Some people just thought DFs are not that important, and thought it was a retcon. Just like some people were wrong think Teach must be a DF merchant with no top tier Haki just because he searched and hunt specific DF powers. Both Luffy's and Teach's fates were clear based on their DFs, top tier Haki alone wasn't enough.
Thats a fact that Teach knew as he wanted to be more than PK, thats why he searched Darkness. He could find another DF and with another DF power, he could be an Emperor if he wanted, he scarred Shanks without even a DF.
To be more than PK, which both Luffy and Teach wants that, specific DFs were needed. Roger become PK without surpassing WB, but Luffy and Teach will surpass that level, Roger couldn't.
But "Laugh Tale" was known since chapter 105 (Reverse Mountain Arc, although the spelling wasn't confirmed until Stampede, that's why it was known as "Raftel"*), so Joyboy must've been at least a concept then (otherwise, why would the last island be a "funny" tale?). Everyone was expecting much more of an epic kingdom due to 105's illustration, something like Ancient Greece or Babylonia, but now it's probably something more technological.
* In a interview, Takuma Naito, one of the latest One Piece's editors, said that the correct spelling was known among the editors since long ago.
* In a interview, Takuma Naito, one of the latest One Piece's editors, said that the correct spelling was known among the editors since long ago.
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It was exactly on that comment from Kaido.
Turns out Oda forgot to say that Kaido also has PhD in rubber since he is the only motherfucker to ever notice that (and only pretty late into fight). Katakuri and Doflamingo probably never saw a rubber before.
And why transformations would make him a Zoan?
So Enel is not logia but a Zoan too? Magellan as well? Moria?
Of course not! Their logia/paramedic are simply capable of that! And so was with Luffy.
It wasn't retconned. Shanks having that at the beginning of the story was on purpose. Some people just thought DFs are not that important, and thought it was a retcon. Just like some people were wrong think Teach must be a DF merchant with no top tier Haki just because he searched and hunt specific DF powers. Both Luffy's and Teach's fates were clear based on their DFs, top tier Haki alone wasn't enough.
Thats a fact that Teach knew as he wanted to be more than PK, thats why he searched Darkness. He could find another DF and with another DF power, he could be an Emperor if he wanted, he scarred Shanks without even a DF.
To be more than PK, which both Luffy and Teach wants that, specific DFs were needed. Roger become PK without surpassing WB, but Luffy and Teach will surpass that level, Roger couldn't.
You talk about Teach scarring Shanks like Shanks has Kaido's DF
"He could have being Yonko without DF if he wanted" he didn't even had haki at time and had a hard diff fight with Ace which is at best YC2 if you want to ignore the power creep the series took after that (currently that Ace would be Tobiroppo level) and he may even have draw or lost to Ace since we couldn't see the end of the fight.
Plus Teach wasn't even in the initial 5 years One Piece manga plan that Oda thought about it.
Turns out Oda forgot to say that Kaido also has PhD in rubber since he is the only motherfucker to ever notice that (and only pretty late into fight). Katakuri and Doflamingo probably never saw a rubber before.
And why transformations would make him a Zoan?
So Enel is not logia but a Zoan too? Magellan as well? Moria?
Of course not! Their logia/paramedic are simply capable of that! And so was with Luffy.
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It wasn't retconned. Shanks having that at the beginning of the story was on purpose. Some people just thought DFs are not that important, and thought it was a retcon. Just like some people were wrong think Teach must be a DF merchant with no top tier Haki just because he searched and hunt specific DF powers. Both Luffy's and Teach's fates were clear based on their DFs, top tier Haki alone wasn't enough.
Thats a fact that Teach knew as he wanted to be more than PK, thats why he searched Darkness. He could find another DF and with another DF power, he could be an Emperor if he wanted, he scarred Shanks without even a DF.
To be more than PK, which both Luffy and Teach wants that, specific DFs were needed. Roger become PK without surpassing WB, but Luffy and Teach will surpass that level, Roger couldn't.
You talk about Teach scarring Shanks like Shanks has Kaido's DF
"He could have being Yonko without DF if he wanted" he didn't even had haki at time and had a hard diff fight with Ace which is at best YC2 if you want to ignore the power creep the series took after that (currently that Ace would be Tobiroppo level) and he may even have draw or lost to Ace since we couldn't see the end of the fight.
Plus Teach wasn't even in the initial 5 years One Piece manga plan that Oda thought about it.
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It was exactly on that comment from Kaido.
Turns out Oda forgot to say that Kaido also has PhD in rubber since he is the only motherfucker to ever notice that (and only pretty late into fight). Katakuri and Doflamingo probably never saw a rubber before.
And why transformations would make him a Zoan?
So Enel is not logia but a Zoan too? Magellan as well? Moria?
Of course not! Their logia/paramedic are simply capable of that! And so was with Luffy.
You talk about Teach scarring Shanks like Shanks has Kaido's DF
"He could have being Yonko without DF if he wanted" he didn't even had haki at time and had a hard diff fight with Ace which is at best YC2 if you want to ignore the power creep the series took after that (currently that Ace would be Tobiroppo level) and he may even have draw or lost to Ace since we couldn't see the end of the fight.
Plus Teach wasn't even in the initial 5 years One Piece manga plan that Oda thought about it.
Turns out Oda forgot to say that Kaido also has PhD in rubber since he is the only motherfucker to ever notice that (and only pretty late into fight). Katakuri and Doflamingo probably never saw a rubber before.
And why transformations would make him a Zoan?
So Enel is not logia but a Zoan too? Magellan as well? Moria?
Of course not! Their logia/paramedic are simply capable of that! And so was with Luffy.
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You talk about Teach scarring Shanks like Shanks has Kaido's DF
"He could have being Yonko without DF if he wanted" he didn't even had haki at time and had a hard diff fight with Ace which is at best YC2 if you want to ignore the power creep the series took after that (currently that Ace would be Tobiroppo level) and he may even have draw or lost to Ace since we couldn't see the end of the fight.
Plus Teach wasn't even in the initial 5 years One Piece manga plan that Oda thought about it.
Or when he gets serious, before Zolo could paper cut him and Luffy dropped him with base punches, then Kaido gets serious defends with Haki and same Luffy punches doesn't work:
Kaido defends with pure red here, you @Cruxroux clown can see this as well
Shanks or Garp is like that too, Garp was literally called ''Iron'', penetrating their Haki defenses requires special Haki level. DFless Teach had that, Shanks hyped Dfless Teach over Mihawk.
''Teach not having Haki'' claim is as usual Lerrara level stupidity similar to Lizaru being the strongest man and Zolo one-shotting Lucci lmao.
It wasn't retconned. Shanks having that at the beginning of the story was on purpose. Some people just thought DFs are not that important, and thought it was a retcon. Just like some people were wrong think Teach must be a DF merchant with no top tier Haki just because he searched and hunt specific DF powers. Both Luffy's and Teach's fates were clear based on their DFs, top tier Haki alone wasn't enough.
Thats a fact that Teach knew as he wanted to be more than PK, thats why he searched Darkness. He could find another DF and with another DF power, he could be an Emperor if he wanted, he scarred Shanks without even a DF.
To be more than PK, which both Luffy and Teach wants that, specific DFs were needed. Roger become PK without surpassing WB, but Luffy and Teach will surpass that level, Roger couldn't.
Stop trying to make it seem like Oda planned it since the start
Even he himself came up with g5 design and characteristics only recently
That's why he says "my fans will be mad but I still went with it"
It wasn't something he planned since the start
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You are still dumb lmao, designs has nothing to do with it.
Designs can change, Teach's design was with eye patch then he changed. It doesn't mean he changed the main story about it.
Main plot was to make Luffy have the Nika DF so he can be the Joy Boy. He can change the designs later. Details can change, but Luffy's DF was always suppose to be special, while clowns were keep saying its average etc, even before awakening I always said its above average DF. And him getting that from Shanks now makes even more sense, why should Shanks carry that DF around in that exact time when he was with Luffy. Its not a coincidence.
Luffy's stamina and endurance was always related to zoan as well before TS. Him getting 100 shadows in his body without Kage DF or Nami saying Luffy's nose is better than Chopper's etc all were on purpose.
Designs can change, Teach's design was with eye patch then he changed. It doesn't mean he changed the main story about it.
Main plot was to make Luffy have the Nika DF so he can be the Joy Boy. He can change the designs later. Details can change, but Luffy's DF was always suppose to be special, while clowns were keep saying its average etc, even before awakening I always said its above average DF. And him getting that from Shanks now makes even more sense, why should Shanks carry that DF around in that exact time when he was with Luffy. Its not a coincidence.
Luffy's stamina and endurance was always related to zoan as well before TS. Him getting 100 shadows in his body without Kage DF or Nami saying Luffy's nose is better than Chopper's etc all were on purpose.
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Kaido's DF defense is irrelevant vs decent opponents, Greenbull was casually doing damage to same DF without using his best attacks, Kaido's main defense is his Haki when he gets serious, thats why he used Haki to send Scabbards flying in the end:
Or when he gets serious, before Zolo could paper cut him and Luffy dropped him with base punches, then Kaido gets serious defends with Haki and same Luffy punches doesn't work:
Kaido defends with pure red here, you @Cruxroux clown can see this as well
Shanks or Garp is like that too, Garp was literally called ''Iron'', penetrating their Haki defenses requires special Haki level. DFless Teach had that, Shanks hyped Dfless Teach over Mihawk.
''Teach not having Haki'' claim is as usual Lerrara level stupidity similar to Lizaru being the strongest man and Zolo one-shotting Lucci lmao.
Or when he gets serious, before Zolo could paper cut him and Luffy dropped him with base punches, then Kaido gets serious defends with Haki and same Luffy punches doesn't work:
Kaido defends with pure red here, you @Cruxroux clown can see this as well
Shanks or Garp is like that too, Garp was literally called ''Iron'', penetrating their Haki defenses requires special Haki level. DFless Teach had that, Shanks hyped Dfless Teach over Mihawk.
''Teach not having Haki'' claim is as usual Lerrara level stupidity similar to Lizaru being the strongest man and Zolo one-shotting Lucci lmao.
And you don't find one single proof of Teach having haki before timeskip.
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Because Killer found a way to damage him internally with his sound. Momo with his DF only can low diff Act 1 G4 Luffy just because of his DF defense.
Mr 1 was only that strong because of his DF defense. Without it he was one shot material for Zoro. Crocodile and Enel similar. Luffy just beat Enel because of his DF defense. DF defense is not irrelevant as you claim. Learn to read the fucking manga.
Just being draw in a panel doesn't make him top 3. I understand Teach fans are starving and thrifty for any feat from Teach since he lacks so much compare to even newmade Yonkos like Nika and Buggy(read Mihawk instead) but this doesn't give you the right to cope that hard about him.
Mr 1 was only that strong because of his DF defense. Without it he was one shot material for Zoro. Crocodile and Enel similar. Luffy just beat Enel because of his DF defense. DF defense is not irrelevant as you claim. Learn to read the fucking manga.
Just being draw in a panel doesn't make him top 3. I understand Teach fans are starving and thrifty for any feat from Teach since he lacks so much compare to even newmade Yonkos like Nika and Buggy(read Mihawk instead) but this doesn't give you the right to cope that hard about him.
And Kid underling Killer would one-shot Momo you dumb clown, learn to read. So even against Killer, that DF defense is irrelevant, without Kaido's toughness and Haki, its not a big factor.
You think Law couldn't teleport Kaido because of Kaido's DF? Stop being a clown lmao, Law would one-shot Kaido's DF if not for Kaido's Haki. Learn to read clown, as I said, its irrelevant vs decent opponents.
You are really a retard for thinking Momo beating G4 Luffy lmao.
Drawn in a panel while showing off with his power. Thats a panel where WB pirates shows their strength after WB.
Top 3 after WB was shown there: Marco-Jozu-DFless Teach.
Why Jozu and Marco there dumbass? Maybe you can make an excuse for Marco since he is a popular character but only reason Jozu is there too because he is top 3 in terms of power. So is DFless Teach who is hyped by Shanks. Stop being dumb.
You think Law couldn't teleport Kaido because of Kaido's DF? Stop being a clown lmao, Law would one-shot Kaido's DF if not for Kaido's Haki. Learn to read clown, as I said, its irrelevant vs decent opponents.
You are really a retard for thinking Momo beating G4 Luffy lmao.
Drawn in a panel while showing off with his power. Thats a panel where WB pirates shows their strength after WB.
Top 3 after WB was shown there: Marco-Jozu-DFless Teach.
Why Jozu and Marco there dumbass? Maybe you can make an excuse for Marco since he is a popular character but only reason Jozu is there too because he is top 3 in terms of power. So is DFless Teach who is hyped by Shanks. Stop being dumb.
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No he wouldn't. He may even lose. Not sure if that would be enough to put him down. And by the way Killer > Kid specially in this situation where Kid can't do shit to Kaido's DF defense. The DF isn't irrelevant a shit.
Don't put words in my mouth I never claimed that. Law said with all words that Kaido haki was too strong that's why he couldn't teleport him. I read manga unlike you.
Dude hahaha. Wtf G4 Luffy can do to Momo if he can't bypass the durability?
Don't put words in my mouth I never claimed that. Law said with all words that Kaido haki was too strong that's why he couldn't teleport him. I read manga unlike you.
Dude hahaha. Wtf G4 Luffy can do to Momo if he can't bypass the durability?
To me it's clear that Oda retconned Luffy's DF to a mythical Zooan, but I'm not sure when. It might be earlier than expected.
It's interesting noticing that in every one of Luffy's major battles Oda is starting to hint that Luffy's DF is more than just rubber.
In Dressrosa
In WCI
In Wano
Kaido's comment was the most perceptive, outright declaring that simple rubber is not enough to do that. Although this is clearly Oda setting up the upcoming transformation.
It's interesting noticing that in every one of Luffy's major battles Oda is starting to hint that Luffy's DF is more than just rubber.
In Dressrosa
In WCI
In Wano
Kaido's comment was the most perceptive, outright declaring that simple rubber is not enough to do that. Although this is clearly Oda setting up the upcoming transformation.
