Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
Is it really “earlier” loooool? It was the next logical step after Crimea, in fact Putin’s nonsense was “I will attack Ukraine now in advance, cause I don’t want NATO coming there and taking back Crimea by force” - the place they already took by force 😂

My point is it’s not earlier than planned, because Crimea was annexed without any NATO cause.
I honestly don't get what the problem is. Russia has been eyeing Ukraine for decades. NATO and Joe Biden provided them extra incentive to invade in 2022. It would've been a bigger political issue if Russia invaded a NATO country.

Crimea wasn't apart of NATO when it got taken in 2014.
 
I honestly don't get what the problem is. Russia has been eyeing Ukraine for decades. NATO and Joe Biden provided them extra incentive to invade in 2022. It would've been a bigger political issue if Russia invaded a NATO country.

Crimea wasn't apart of NATO when it got taken in 2014.
NATO and Biden? Ukraine is a sovereign country. They decided they want to join NATO, for good reasons seeing how Russia literally invades anybody they can invade
 

Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
NATO and Biden? Ukraine is a sovereign country. They decided they want to join NATO, for good reasons seeing how Russia literally invades anybody they can invade
I don't understand the point of this reply. Once again, Russia always wanted Ukraine and didn't want them to join NATO cause that would mean declaring war on NATO itself, if they take Ukriane by force. The Biden Administration pushed for more sanctions on Russia and even more for Ukriane to join NATO in 2021. This prompted Russia in invade in Feb 2022.
 
I don't understand the point of this reply. Once again, Russia always wanted Ukraine and didn't want them to join NATO cause that would mean declaring war on NATO itself, if they take Ukriane by force. The Biden Administration pushed for more sanctions on Russia and even more for Ukriane to join NATO in 2021. This prompted Russia in invade in Feb 2022.
Because at the end of the day Ukraine chooses who to join. Your wording makes it sound as if they were manipulated to joining. Ukraine joining NATO basically guarantees Russia doesn’t invade them

also Russia has another country bordering NATO and they don’t do shit
 

Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
Basically shifting blame to Biden and NATO
Where does it hint or imply manipulation? Russia wanted Ukraine, Biden Administration singed for sanctions on Russia and supported Ukraine joining NATO, Russia invades before Ukraine can join NATO. How is this hard to understand? Thats like saying Japan manipulated America into joining WW2.
 
I honestly don't get what the problem is. Russia has been eyeing Ukraine for decades. NATO and Joe Biden provided them extra incentive to invade in 2022. It would've been a bigger political issue if Russia invaded a NATO country.

Crimea wasn't apart of NATO when it got taken in 2014.
Yeah, but the reason why Ukraine wanted to join NATO in the first place was over Crimea takeover. They didn't feel very safe after that (not without reason!!!). The invasion was going to happen no matter what.

Wanting to join NATO was the reaction to Russia's actions, not the other way around. I don't like the NATO narrative because it's spinning things to make it seem like Russia "felt threatened". They are bordering other NATO member countries as it is, and they created the Crimea dispute in the first place, to advance on Ukraine.

I don't know if we understand each other here
 

Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
Yeah, but the reason why Ukraine wanted to join NATO in the first place was over Crimea takeover. They didn't feel very safe after that (not without reason!!!). The invasion was going to happen no matter what.

Wanting to join NATO was the reaction to Russia's actions, not the other way around. I don't like the NATO narrative because it's spinning things to make it seem like Russia "felt threatened". They are bordering other NATO member countries as it is, and they created the Crimea dispute in the first place, to advance on Ukraine.

I don't know if we understand each other here
We agree that Russia always wanted Ukraine and was gonna try to take it by force.

My point is that Russia wanted to take Ukriane before they joined NATO, as that would mean Russia would have to directly fight with NATO forces and having them at his borders, similar to the Cuban Missle Crisis. Given how Ukriane joining NATO made good progress in 2021, along with Biden pushing more sanctions on Russia, this speed up Russia's invasion. It gave the more reasons and incentive to do so.
 
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We agree that Russia always wanted Ukraine and was gonna try to take it by force.

My point is that Russia wanted to take Ukriane before they joined NATO, as that would mean Russia would have to directly fight with NATO forces and having them at his borders, similar to the Cuban Missle Crisis. Given how Ukriane joining NATO made good progress in 2021, along with Biden pushing more sanctions on Russia, this speed up Russia's invasion. It gave the more reasons and incentive to do so.
But I don't think they'd be allowed in NATO as long as they've got disputed territory (Crimea). They've been on the action plan for NATO since 2002, you can't join overnight.
 
There has been, literally a tit for tat since the early 1900s.
No, there’s been an ongoing colonization and occupation met with resistance from the ill equipped locals in comparison since the 1900s get your history right.
You have to be choking on Palestinian semen to think otherwise
Wasn’t Hamas funded by Netanyahu 🤔
Yeah they did it to weaken the PA.
 
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:kobeha:Man said history class, the irony. Everyone and their mamas know they teach jack about history in school, especially pre college. This explains your ignorance on occupied Palestine tho lol.
Speaking from experience? considering you think Israel fought a bunch of farmers with a shotgun with b-2 stealth bombers lol
 
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