Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

we need a real Capitalist approach and not the Corrupted lobbyist

No we absolutely don't need one.

Capitalism is based on notions like meritocracy, which is a problematic and mythical system. Capitalism will never be "more real", capitalism is a broken system by essence.

You strive for something that just isn't realistic, It's been done before, it doesn't work.

No it hasn't, there was attempts but that's all.

Socialist systems are the way to go. Anything else is purely inhuman.

 

[Herrera95]

The soviet union failed because of the opportunism of authoritarian, same for others mate. You are confusing socialism with authoritarism which is simply ignorant to say the least.



The fact that there was a bad one 80 or 200 year before doesn't change the fact that those events are happening more and more mate. But keep denying the scientific facts..

Yes, always an excuse to justify tirany...

The fact that we had as bad flood before means that we are not worse today.

 

[Logiko]

Yes, always an excuse to justify tirany...

The fact that we had as bad flood before means that we are not worse today.

No it just means that its repeating. For real mate.. talk with climatologists. You might gain something out of it.

 

[Herrera95]

No it just means that its repeating. For real mate.. talk with climatologists. You might gain something out of it.

Exactly it is repeating completely nothing to do with the so claimed climate change that will end the world (or at least humanity).

 

[Logiko]

Exactly it is repeating completely nothing to do with the so claimed climate change that will end the world (or at least humanity).

Again, talk with scientists. Right now, you are just being ignorant for the sake of provocation.

 

[Zenos7]

that will end the world

No one but crazy extreme activists says anything of the sort

 

[Zolo]

No one but crazy extreme activists says anything of the sort

https://youtube.com/shorts/-G9LU-X0doo?si=rNfvb3JaLiZhJVvO

 

[Zenos7]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-G9LU-X0doo?si=rNfvb3JaLiZhJVvO

Wtf

 

[Zolo]

Wtf

Yeah got this as birthday gift

 

[Hanners220]

@Logiko you may have already answered these, so please be patient with me.

I am not sure how socialism could work in large groups. The smaller the group the better. Who would be in charge of making decisions? I imagine a smaller group where everyone has a place at the forum and a vote would work more effectively. I am thinking of small societies that run like Athenian democracies.

Even if people have external equality, what’s to stop them from feelings of inferiority or superiority? Won’t there be people who claim that they deserve more based on superficiality?

Also, I am busy so if I don’t respond in a timely manner that is why.

 

[Zolo]

@Logiko you may have already answered these, so please be patient with me.

I am not sure how socialism could work in large groups. The smaller the group the better. Who would be in charge of making decisions? I imagine a smaller group where everyone has a place at the forum and a vote would work more effectively. I am thinking of small societies that run like Athenian democracies.

Even if people have external equality, what’s to stop them from feelings of inferiority or superiority? Won’t there be people who claim that they deserve more based on superficiality?

Also, I am busy so if I don’t respond in a timely manner that is why.

No utopia is possible

 

[Herrera95]

Again, talk with scientists. Right now, you are just being ignorant for the sake of provocation.

Is a Nobel prize winner enough for you?

And please take a good read of the whole article and learn a thing or two of what science is really about. And no is not about your authoritarian idea of "I know what is science it doesn't change and who disagree from me is a denier"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/11/16/john-clauser-nobel-climate-denial/

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I am not sure how socialism could work in large groups.

It can't. Not even small groups.

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No one but crazy extreme activists says anything of the sort

That said "majority of scientific community" claiming climate change says that. And don't crop my parenthesis out since it is important. It is either the end of the world or the end of humanity.

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You say that, but then I can easily just as much say we need a real Capitalist approach and not the Corrupted lobbyist, Government backed Big Tech yadda yadda yadda we have atm... You strive for something that just isn't realistic, It's been done before, it doesn't work.

Exactly. What people call capitalism flaws are always the things where governament interfere on it by making their friends getting ahead of competition and creating monopolies and similar stuff.

 

[Hanners220]

No utopia is possible

I like how you get right to the point! I believe community and service to your community and others is important. In order to be of service, we need to put ourselves first.

 

[Zolo]

I like how you get right to the point! I believe community and service to your community and others is important. In order to be of service, we need to put ourselves first.

Wishful thinking should never be part of politics.

 

[Logiko]

I am not sure how socialism could work in large groups. The smaller the group the better. Who would be in charge of making decisions?

A gouvernment would be in charge of things wage, taxes and planning and assembly or groups of workers would own the factors of production. There would also be an assembly of scholar and scientific to help everyone make the best descision. The goal is to make create a classless society so workers needs to be in charges of their means of production.

Even if people have external equality, what’s to stop them from feelings of inferiority or superiority? Won’t there be people who claim that they deserve more based on superficiality?

If we end the rule of meritocracy there should no such thing or in minority.

But to get to such system we must pass through a system of transition first. Getting rid of capitalism will not be that easy.

Is a Nobel prize winner enough for you?

Nobel prize in physic, that's not a climatologist mate. Ask climatologist. Asking a physician about climate is like asking an eye doctor to perform a chirgurgical operation.

Take a little look at this : https://skepticalscience.com/clauser-latest-climate-denying-physicist.html

And please take a good read of the whole article and learn a thing or two of what science is really about.

I know what science is about and I don't need to read this article to know it, but you don't.

 

[Hanners220]

@Logiko you have noble aspirations, however, do you think abolishing capitalism and meritocracy will happen in our lifetime? I am still worried that the scientific minds and scholars will still have a sense of superiority over the common workers. Wouldn’t there still be classes?

What role do you see yourself having in a classless society?

Thanks for answering my questions because I am honestly curious.

 

[Herrera95]

Nobel prize in physic, that's not a climatologist mate. Ask climatologist. Asking a physician about climate is like asking an eye doctor to perform a chirgurgical operation.

Take a little look at this : https://skepticalscience.com/clauser-latest-climate-denying-physicist.html

Degrees are just papers. His explanation is right.

I know what science is about and I don't need to read this article to know it, but you don't.

You don't have the least clue

 

[Zolo]

Degrees are just papers. His explanation is right.


You don't have the least clue

People paying for climate change with there taxes dont care about there governments wanting nucklear war with russia. Irony

 

[Logiko]

@Logiko you have noble aspirations, however, do you think abolishing capitalism and meritocracy will happen in our lifetime?

No

We might see the glimps of the end of meritocracy and capitalism, but I think its will happen in at least a century from now. But that's why we need to act now, because its a long process.

I am still worried that the scientific minds and scholars will still have a sense of superiority over the common workers.

I don't know why you should fear that. Scientists and scholars are not here to rule, they are here to share search and share their knowledge, the more people will know, the better and happier they will be.

Wouldn’t there still be classes?

Socialism and by extention communism are aiming at a classless society. So no, there won't be classes. But there will be as long as meritocracy and capitalism are alive.

What role do you see yourself having in a classless society?

Author or scientist. Just like I would love to be in real life (if I had the priviledge of living 200 years)

Thanks for answering my questions because I am honestly curious.

Thanks you for being open to the discussion

Degrees are just papers. His explanation is right.

Talking about a physicist talking BS about climatology: "degree are just paper"

You don't have the least clue

You are funny

 

[Zolo]

No

We might see the glimps of the end of meritocracy and capitalism, but I think its will happen in at least a century from now. But that's why we need to act now, because its a long process.



I don't know why you should fear that. Scientists and scholars are not here to rule, they are here to share search and share their knowledge, the more people will know, the better and happier they will be.



Socialism and by extention communism are aiming at a classless society. So no, there won't be classes. But there will be as long as meritocracy and capitalism are alive.


Author or scientist. Just like I would love to be in real life (if I had the priviledge of living 200 years)



Thanks you for being open to the discussion




Talking about a physicist talking BS about climatology: "degree are just paper"



You are funny

You seem to forget the human nature .