Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zolo]

Then why are you pretending to be a Zionist? I know you aren't one.

I dont like zionists. I dont like hamas.
Im simply loughing at new laws that describe what definition of antisemitism is now after protests in campus. And according to them you all antisemites.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It's not very complex, history dabbles with using other sciences, but in itself it offers no conclusions other than noting past events. Historians are not considered scientists, and neither of them will call themselves that.

History asks archeologists and sociologists wtf happened, then just write down whatever the century archeologists determined, ergo they didn't really determine anything on their own.

😂😂😂😂 You're killing me kitty😂😂you want a talk with my university history lecturers?!

 

[NikaInParis]

A genocide is not determined on how quick it is done.

This is a powerscaling forum so everything is gauged by how quick and in what numbers (compared to other feats) it is done


Call a spade a spade - Israel is genociding the Palestinians and the mass graves they're finding rn are just one piece of evidence

 

[Zolo]

This is a powerscaling forum so everything is gauged by how quick and in what numbers (compared to other feats) it is done


Call a spade a spade - Israel is genociding the Palestinians and the mass graves they're finding rn are just one piece of evidence

Russians seem fodders now compared to israel . By civilian death feat

 

[Natalija]

@Natalija I expect this lack of empathy from this mf right here. But there’s no way that after what Israel has done, and what it’s planning to do going into Rafah, that anyone in good faith could possibly justify this massacre. You guys just don’t consider Palestinians to be actual human beings. Shame on you!

I don't know why you're mentioning me here throwing idiotic accusations, I liked a comment about losing braincells

 

[Natalija]

😂😂😂😂 You're killing me kitty😂😂you want a talk with my university history lecturers?!

Go look up the definitions

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Go look up the definitions

Seems to be an English language issue🤔nonetheless, your descriptions of how historians work are ignorant and asinine.

 

[Natalija]

Seems to be an English language issue🤔nonetheless, your descriptions of how historians work are ignorant and asinine.

Lmao it's not a language issue, it's not considered a science

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Lmao it's not a language issue, it's not considered a science

Well in German it's called a "Wissenschaft" which means science.

 

[Natalija]

Well in German it's called a "Wissenschaft" which means science.

Yeah boyo, that's a way broader term and it is not =/= science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wissenschaft#Compared_to_the_term_"science"

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Yeah boyo, that's a way broader term and it is not =/= science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wissenschaft#Compared_to_the_term_"science"

We already settled this one, I conceded that it's a language issue.
The way you spoke about historian's work is not only ignorant but disrespectful and reeks of STEM degree supremacy

 

[Natalija]

We already settled this one, I conceded that it's a language issue.
The way you spoke about historian's work is not only ignorant but disrespectful and reeks of STEM degree supremacy

I have no personal beef with historians, might be one of the core pillars in education. But it is a fact that it's not science, and it's not considered science. I simplified the work to prove my point, stay mad

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

. I simplified the work to prove my point

What is your point?

 

[Natalija]

What is your point?

The process in which historians work is different to science. There's only one true history, their job is to simply interpret it with the limited and often biased data they have, but there's no leaving that limited frame of what you find in your data. They can assume xyz reasons that caused xyz, but those are just assumptions and not scientific laws or proof or rules of any kind.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

@Natalija
Google translation from french wiki article:

Définition stricte modifier

D'après Michel Blay[8], la science est « la connaissance claire et certaine de quelque chose, fondée soit sur des principes évidents et des démonstrations, soit sur des raisonnements expérimentaux, ou encore sur l'analyse des sociétés et des faits humains ».

Cette définition permet de distinguer les trois types de science :

• les sciences exactes, comprenant les mathématiques et les « sciences mathématisées » comme la physique théorique ;
• les sciences physico-chimiques et expérimentales (sciences de la nature et de la matière, biologie, médecine) ;
• les sciences humaines, qui concernent l'être humain, son histoire, son comportement, la langue, le social, le psychologique, le politique.

Strict definition edit According to Michel Blay[8], science is “the clear and certain knowledge of something, based either on obvious principles and demonstrations, or on experimental reasoning, or even on the analysis of societies and human facts ". This definition makes it possible to distinguish the three types of science: the exact sciences, including mathematics and “mathematized sciences” such as theoretical physics; physicochemical and experimental sciences (natural and material sciences, biology, medicine); the human sciences, which concern the human being, his history, his behavior, language, the social, the psychological, the political.

@Logiko can you tell us how the word science is defined in French? Is it a more broad term like German Wissenschaft or more like English science? The wiki article makes it seem more similar to the German definition rather than the English one but I don't speak French.

 

[Zenos7]

I have no personal beef with historians, might be one of the core pillars in education. But it is a fact that it's not science, and it's not considered science. I simplified the work to prove my point, stay mad

Natural science vs social science.

The german term Wissenschaft encompasses both, but we still have the terms naturwissenschaft and sozialwissenschaft for each respectively.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Natural science vs social science.

The german term Wissenschaft encompasses both, but we still have the terms naturwissenschaft and sozialwissenschaft for each respectively.

Turns out we've spent 3 pages arguing about linguistics instead of science or history

 

[Logiko]

You are all just antisemites

No way to justify the act you are defending, you resort to your last card : "antisemite".
I guess jews who are demonstrating are also "antisemite" ?

Effort for you means nothing obviously

Hi meritocracy, hi BS !

Dude I support russia

On the sides of oppressors no matter what... no surprises here.

Im probably hardest working person on this forum.

The cult of "hard work", hi meritocracy ! Hi BS !

I have no personal beef with historians, might be one of the core pillars in education. But it is a fact that it's not science, and it's not considered science. I simplified the work to prove my point, stay mad

It is science. You simply have an oversimplified vision of it.

@Logiko can you tell us how the word science is defined in French? Is it a more broad term like German Wissenschaft or more like English science? The wiki article makes it seem more similar to the German definition rather than the English one but I don't speak French.

"Science (from the Latin scientia, “knowledge”, “to know”) is in its primary sense “the sum of knowledge” and more specifically a systematic enterprise of construction and organization of knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions. . "

So history is part of that. We can even say that history can be predictive if we talk about systemic rises of political system. The fact that the sources can be biases doesn't change the fact that history aims to the most unbiased approach possible of the past. This is therefore a scientific process.

 

[Natalija]

"Science (from the Latin scientia, “knowledge”, “to know”) is in its primary sense “the sum of knowledge” and more specifically a systematic enterprise of construction and organization of knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions. . "

So history is part of that. We can even say that history can be predictive if we talk about systemic rises of political system. The fact that the sources can be biases doesn't change the fact that history aims to the most unbiased approach possible of the past. This is therefore a scientific process.

Nope, "construction and organization of knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions" doesn't apply to history, that's why it's not considered science. You can't test it nor predict with it.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

No way to justify the act you are defending, you resort to your last card : "antisemite".
I guess jews who are demonstrating are also "antisemite" ?




Hi meritocracy, hi BS !


On the sides of oppressors no matter what... no surprises here.



The cult of "hard work", hi meritocracy ! Hi BS !

It is science. You simply have an oversimplified vision of it.



"Science (from the Latin scientia, “knowledge”, “to know”) is in its primary sense “the sum of knowledge” and more specifically a systematic enterprise of construction and organization of knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions. . "

So history is part of that. We can even say that history can be predictive if we talk about systemic rises of political system. The fact that the sources can be biases doesn't change the fact that history aims to the most unbiased approach possible of the past. This is therefore a scientific process.

Bruh what's the French established definition please?
We already established the English one