Controversial General Political Discussion

Logiko

Logiko

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Natalija said:
Nope, "construction and organization of knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions" doesn't apply to history, that's why it's not considered science. You can't test it nor predict with it.
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Yes you can, by multiplying the sources. Science is not necessaraly done in only one way.


Bisoromi Bear said:
Bruh what's the French established definition please?
We already established the English one
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Well, that was an extract from the french wikipedia article.
 
Natalija

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Logiko said:
Yes you can, by multiplying the sources. Science is not necessaraly done in only one way.
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Having various historic sources and comparing them is not science. It's just reading what you have available. Forming an actual theory/prediction and testing it isn't possible for history. A theory is a well-established, tested explanation that provides a unified description of some aspect of the natural world.

:josad:
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Natalija said:
Having various historic sources and comparing them is not science. It's just reading what you have available. Forming an actual theory/prediction and testing it isn't possible for history. A theory is a well-established, tested explanation that provides a unified description of some aspect of the natural world.
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Again, social sciences do not fonction in the same way as natural sciences, the process is not necessaraly the same.

The point is that all are pushing for an unbiased research of the unknown through scientific process. And yes History does that too. That's what science is. You will not manage to push it out of the scientific field I'm sorry

:kayneshrug:
 
Natalija

Natalija

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#37,825
Logiko said:
Again, social sciences do not fonction in the same way as natural sciences, the process is not necessaraly the same.

The point is that all are pushing for an unbiased research of the unknown through scientific process. And yes History does that too. That's what science is. You will not manage to push it out of the scientific field I'm sorry

:kayneshrug:
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No need to push it out since it's not considered science :gokulaugh:
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Natalija said:
No need to push it out since it's not considered science :gokulaugh:
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Mainly by liberals yes (and so by a large number of people) simply because social sciences are seen under a bad light because they eventually question the status co. Doesn't mean that they are right.

Historian are scientist if we look at the prime definition of science.


TheAncientCenturion said:
What would be the go-to Historians you’d point at to prove your case, @Logiko? Genuinely curious
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I'm advocating for social sciences as a whole rather than just history. I could point you out to some sociologist or anthropologist but I've very little knowledge in history so that will be hard.

The point is that social science ARE a discipline of science and history is part of that. The fact that social sciences uses - sometimes - different method doesn't change the fact that they are aiming at a systematical and unbiased research of the reality (of the past in the case of history) through scientifics process or experimental methods. Which is what sciences are.

Now, you want to affirm that history is not a science, like I said, go talk with an historian (or rather a few because you will most likely have different opinion on the subject).
 
Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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Logiko said:
social sciences are seen under a bad light because they eventually question the status co.
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Social sciences/disciplines w/e also suffer from underfunding and generally less development over the last years in favor of stem subjects. The less people know about the past and about human nature the more likely they are manipulated by capitalist politicians and corporations.
 
Logiko

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Bisoromi Bear said:
Social sciences/disciplines w/e also suffer from underfunding and generally less development over the last years in favor of stem subjects. The less people know about the past and about human nature the more likely they are manipulated by capitalist politicians and corporations.
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I don't know enough about their founding, but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. After all social science have a tendancy to question big hegemonic myths that are the basis for toxic systems such as capitalism.

Again, asking a liberal if they are pro-science will result in an affirmative answer.. but the moment we start to question the value of the notion of "meritocracy", they will start to panic, even if that's something clearly discussed in sociology.
 
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