Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Your misleading knowledge is concerning.

I don't think so. On the other hand, your denial is telling everything
Only the far right is ashamed of owning its own place in the political scale. You don't see me being ashamed because I'm a leftist

stealing from it's citizens specially the poor and creating a bad environment

You mean that public services and public aids are "stealing the poors and citizens" ?

More money for the people = better life for them

Well of course, if you kill and starve one third of the population, there should be indeed enough money for the others, but you will still be an inhuman piece of sh*t

And as I said above you are completely clueless of what anarcho capitalist are about.

No. I think I know pretty much what you guys are about. Its all about the denial of reality and the meritocracy + capitalism to the bone to a point where you don't care than others people are actually suffering in the process.

This is a dehumanizing ideology that put the live of some over the lives of others.

Women abortion is free choice but thanks for supporting my argument that you give 0 fuck by human life.

I care about women, you care about no one. And this Milei guy you are defending is against that.

Also those said anti discrimination policies does nothing but increase racism

Hi ignorance. That's why you are a far rightist mate. Your ideology is not based on science and actual data, its based on the inner thinking that leftist are against you. Its a ignorant and inhuman far rightist ideology.

Just like the social services keeps people poor.

And here is another ignorant statement. Without social service, you will kill the poor Einstein.

The reason why people are poor, is because some ignorant piece of work like you still believes in the idealistic notion that merit exist and therefore that some people deserve more than others.

 

[Herrera95]

I don't think so. On the other hand, your denial is telling everything
Only the far right is ashamed of owning its own place in the political scale. You don't see me being ashamed because I'm a leftist

I first met you here denying being a woke dude.

You mean that public services and public aids are "stealing the poors and citizens" ?

Only a moron would understand that. You need to charge taxes in order to have those said public serviced and aids. And you need the poor people to pay for it. So everything you claim to be free isn't free at all and on top of that it is poor quality work because nothing on state works.

Well of course, if you kill and starve one third of the population, there should be indeed enough money for the others, but you will still be an inhuman piece of sh*t

As always only the left talk about killing people on its policy. Just like this whole bullshit of stop the climate change. It's all to kill the poor.

If you revoke all governaments of the world right now everyone would have a better life except the parasites that lived from other people money aka politicians.

No. I think I know pretty much what you guys are about. Its all about the denial of reality and the meritocracy + capitalism to the bone to a point where you don't care than others people are actually suffering in the process.

This is a dehumanizing ideology that put the live of some over the lives of others.

It's about freedom. So I understand why you are so against it. Left policy is all about control and dictatorship.

I care about women, you care about no one. And this Milei guy you are defending is against that.

I care about individual. I don't pick specific groups to care about while neglecting the others. There is nothing to care about woman when it comes to abortion unless the birth is a risk for her(and possibly for the baby). You are just being selfish and dehumanizing life.

Hi ignorance. That's why you are a far rightist mate. Your ideology is not based on science and actual data, its based on the inner thinking that leftist are against you. Its a ignorant and inhuman far rightist ideology.

Despite all the "effort" of the left they did nothing but increased racist (because they are the biggest racists in first place)

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/r...-us-western-countries-research-shows/3171101#

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/r...-us-western-countries-research-shows/3171101#

https://www.city-journal.org/article/how-to-defeat-left-wing-racialism

And here is another ignorant statement. Without social service, you will kill the poor Einstein.

The reason why people are poor, is because some ignorant piece of work like you still believes in the idealistic notion that merit exist and therefore that some people deserve more than others.

Taxes are killing the poor Einstein. And those said social services are giving him back small amount if the money collected from his taxes.

 

[Logiko]

I first met you here denying being a woke dude.

Indeed. Because you were defining woke as something that was completely bogus. So I used its original meaning to redefine it correctly and I'm now using it. Your definition of "woke" is still bogus. But since I'm using the term correctly, now you can call me woke if you want and you won't get your way


#ThePowerOfLanguage

You need to charge taxes in order to have those said public serviced and aids. And you need the poor people to pay for it.

Not necessarily ignorant. For example a lot of poor people who get social aids in France don't pay taxes, simply because they don't have access to a salary. And when they do, social aids are adjusted in order to allow them to live despite that.

So everything you claim to be free isn't free at all and on top of that it is poor quality work because nothing on state works.

I'm not claiming that things are free, I'm saying that social aids and social services are a necessity and when you cut them, you starve the minorities and the poor. So its simply inhuman. You don't need to be Einstein to understand this and yet, you are defending an inhuman system that don't care to make the poor suffer.

As always only the left talk about killing people on its policy. Just like this whole bullshit of stop the climate change. It's all to kill the poor.

And here is your anti-scientifism. You see.. you are absolutely not based around reality whatsoever. Your ignorant and inhuman political vision is based around your own bias and own insecurities. You don't care to think, its only about what YOU believe in.

And other people are paying the price for it.

If you revoke all governaments of the world right now everyone would have a better life except the parasites that lived from other people money aka politicians.

No. Not as long as ignorant and dangerous people like you exist.

It's about freedom. So I understand why you are so against it. Left policy is all about control and dictatorship.

That's what I'm saying, you only care about your own freedom. You don't care about the fact that said freedom can impact other people, no. You don't care about taking responsibility for that. You are like a simple kind playing with toys you don't understand. You are selfish, that's all that you are.

I care about individual.

No. If that was the case you wouldn't take the defense for far rights gov. all over the world and justifying atrocious policies such as libertarianism that can starve the poor or genocide that kill thousands. You don't care about others, you only care about your ideology and the fact of being against a left that you think was created to get you.

I don't pick specific groups to care about while neglecting the others.

Indeed. You defend absolutely NO ONE but you and fascists who have your ideology.

There is nothing to care about woman when it comes to abortion unless the birth is a risk for her(and possibly for the baby)

What an ignorant and inhuman thing to say.

You are just being selfish and dehumanizing life.

Keep projecting

Despite all the "effort" of the left they did nothing but increased racist (because they are the biggest racists in first place)

You are literally showing me sources that explain that systemic racism exist (which is what I'm saying and what you kept on denying) and why its important to fight it. You are really not understanding what you are sharing that hilarious



And the left is not in power you ignorant

Taxes are killing the poor Einstein.

No. They are killing the rich. Not the poor.

as long as you have strong social services, taxes are what help the poor as I explained previously.



Wanting to stop taxes is being on the side of those who don't want to lose their fortune, its being on the side of the rich

 

[Uncle Van]

Taxes are killing the poor Einstein. And those said social services are giving him back small amount if the money collected from his taxes.

It's because taxes are unbalanced and unfairly enforced genius. A system where minimum wage workers pay more taxes than billionaires is ridiculous.

 

[NAMELESS]

It's because taxes are unbalanced and unfairly enforced genius. A system where minimum wage workers pay more taxes than billionaires is ridiculous.

Yeah,that is the nature of the State. Politicians are often in the pocket of the rich. Many of them are rich themselves. That is why i don't like welfare state//socialism. When we give them excuses to create more taxes and regulations it just breeds more concentration of power,corruption and impoverishment of the nation.

 

[Logiko]

Yet,that is the nature of the State. Politicians are often in the pocket of the rich. Many of them are rich themselves. That is why i don't like welfare state//socialism. When we give them excuses to create more taxes and regulations it just breeds more concentration of power,corruption and impoverishment of the nation.

You just implicitely said : "Politician are in the pocket of the rich or are rich themself and I don't like those who wants to tax the rich"

 

[NAMELESS]

Except I'm no far right. Anarcho-capitalist is not far right wtf. And we never say that sgit because we want the best for people.

You ancap?

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You just implicitely said : "Politician are in the pocket of the rich or are rich themself and I don't like those who wants to tax the rich"

Dude,you can't tax the rich. They move their assets somewhere,use legal loopholes to avoid tax,pay politicians to create legislation that protects then and so on... Taxes only affect the poor. The rich will always have politicians in their pockets. Its just how things always have been. Taxing the rich is a fantasy. It can't be done.
Big corps can deal with 40% or more taxation,small business cannot. Taxation will always make the smaller guys in even greater advantage. You aimed for the rich,but your ideas actually harm the poor.

 

[Logiko]

Dude,you can't tax the rich.

Yes you can

They move their assets somewhere,use legal loopholes to avoid tax,pay politicians to create legislation that protects then and so on...

And we can boycott their product in order to make them understand. Or we can create law in order to make them comply. There is always a way.

Taxing the rich is a fantasy. It can't be done.

This only comes from people that don't want things to change. We can taxe the rich and we will.

Big corps can deal with 40% or more taxation,small business cannot.

Taxes are adaptatives, we won't taxe Bernard Arnaud the same way we will tax billy the backer.

You aimed for the rich,but your ideas actually harm the poor.

Taxing the rich means taxing the rich, not the poor. Don't try to find ways not to change things. You are taking the side of the rich here, not the poor.

 

[NAMELESS]

Yes you can



And we can boycott their product in order to make them understand. Or we can create law in order to make them comply. There is always a way.



This only comes from people that don't want things to change. We can taxe the rich and we will.



Taxes are adaptatives, we won't taxe Bernard Arnaud the same way we will tax billy the backer.



Taxing the rich means taxing the rich, not the poor. Don't try to find ways not to change things. You are taking the side of the rich here, not the poor.

i'm all for buying stuff with consciuss of who you are supporting,but...first you need to have options. Sometimes the rich have a monopoly on something or the cheapest product/service available so the average joe ends up giving money to them. Example:most people in Brazil ahte taurus firearms,but still end up buying their products because that is what they can afford.

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Yes you can

Taxing the rich means taxing the rich, not the poor. Don't try to find ways not to change things. You are taking the side of the rich here, not the poor.

I already told you why it doesn't work and why it will never happen. You can whine all you want,but complaining about stuff doesn't change the reality of things.

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@Herrera95 non aggression principle doesn't exist ,anarcho-capitalism is bullshit.

 

[Herrera95]

It's because taxes are unbalanced and unfairly enforced genius. A system where minimum wage workers pay more taxes than billionaires is ridiculous.

This is debatable. I got poisoned by leftist thoughts and tends to believe the perfect tax system would be income taxes as the only tax and then having a flat % on everyone. Therefore everyone would pay 20% of their income. But while trying to find somewhere to debate those ideas someone told me that is unfair to have richer people paying more taxes and I can only agree with them. Why someone has to pay more because they have more money if everyone is suppose to be equal? If governament has to treat everyone as equal them everyone should pay equal to governament (that means not a % payment but only a absolute value like any bill).
I forgot I was writing this and lost thought now.

You ancap?

Of course

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@Herrera95 non aggression principle doesn't exist ,anarcho-capitalism is bullshit.

This is dumb to the levels of Logiko

 

[NAMELESS]

This is debatable. I got poisoned by leftist thoughts and tends to believe the perfect tax system would be income taxes as the only tax and then having a flat % on everyone. Therefore everyone would pay 20% of their income. But while trying to find somewhere to debate those ideas someone told me that is unfair to have richer people paying more taxes and I can only agree with them. Why someone has to pay more because they have more money if everyone is suppose to be equal? If governament has to treat everyone as equal them everyone should pay equal to governament (that means not a % payment but only a absolute value like any bill).
I forgot I was writing this and lost thought now.


Of course

Their mindset is: "Tratamento igual para os iguais e tratamento desigual para os desiguais". O rico é privilegiado, então deve pagar mais. Mentalidade socialista.

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This is debatable. I got poisoned by leftist thoughts and tends to believe the perfect tax system would be income taxes as the only tax and then having a flat % on everyone. Therefore everyone would pay 20% of their income. But while trying to find somewhere to debate those ideas someone told me that is unfair to have richer people paying more taxes and I can only agree with them. Why someone has to pay more because they have more money if everyone is suppose to be equal? If governament has to treat everyone as equal them everyone should pay equal to governament (that means not a % payment but only a absolute value like any bill).
I forgot I was writing this and lost thought now.


Of course

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This is dumb to the levels of Logiko

We already have that system going on in Brazil. it actually stimulates people to not seek more money because at the end of the day they will end up paying more taxes and depending how much they earn and how much their taxes will increase,its not worth the effort.

 

[Herrera95]

Their mindset is: "Tratamento igual para os iguais e tratamento desigual para os desiguais". O rico é privilegiado, então deve pagar mais. Mentalidade socialista.

Decide if you gonna keep English or Portuguese. Supla

 

[NAMELESS]

Decide if you gonna keep English or Portuguese. Supla

lol i didn't notice i did that. feeling lazy to translate

 

[Herrera95]

We already have that system going on in Brazil. it actually stimulates people to not seek more money because at the end of the day they will end up paying more taxes and depending how much they earn and how much their taxes will increase,its not worth the effort.

Yup North-east have more people aided by social programs than working for their money.

 

[NAMELESS]

Of course

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This is dumb to the levels of Logiko

care to elaborate?

 

[Herrera95]

care to elaborate?

The principle of non aggression is the foundation of society. We all and always worked around that. Governaments only were created to defend that principle.

 

[NAMELESS]

The principle of non aggression is the foundation of society. We all and always worked around that. Governaments only were created to defend that principle.

Yes,govs are created for that. Wihtout the gov chaos will arise. The nation will turn into a bazillion tribes that have their own laws and this will breed conflict. We need an unified law system and a police/military force to enforce it. Back in the old days,tribal like nations used to be swallowed by organized states. Study the history of the Roman Empire. If non aggression was a thing, states wouldn't go to war with each other over futile shit.

 

[Herrera95]

Yes,govs are created for that. Wihtout the gov chaos will arise. The nation will turn into a bazillion tribes that have their own laws and this will breed conflict. We need an unified law system and a police/military force to enforce it. Back in the old days,tribal like nations used to be swallowed by organized states. Study the history of the Roman Empire. If non aggression was a thing, states wouldn't go to war with each other over futile shit.

Chaos will rise without governaments? So all the wars we had so far aren't considered chaos? Sorry dude history doesn't support you.

 

[NAMELESS]

Chaos will rise without governaments? So all the wars we had so far aren't considered chaos? Sorry dude history doesn't support you.

Wars are inevitable. By chaos i mean actual safety on the streets. In places without rule of law,you can't even trust your neighboor. Look up how life in places that were War ravaged are nowadays.

 

[Herrera95]

Wars are inevitable. By chaos i mean actual safety on the streets. In places without rule of law,you can't even trust your neighboor. Look up how life in places that were War ravaged are nowadays.

You still continued your argument after saying wars are inevitable. Wow!

So do we have safety at streets? Or people are getting robbed all the time? Assaulted and stuff?

And it gets funnier because the ones defending state aka leftists are the ones who complain the most about police and army. It's so absurd.

And despite all that we still see at the south of Brazil where it gets flooded how people HELP each other DESPITE the absence or the very few presence of the state.

Humans can be as both bad or good. Is not a state that will change a thing.