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Yes,govs are created for that. Wihtout the gov chaos will arise. The nation will turn into a bazillion tribes that have their own laws and this will breed conflict. We need an unified law system and a police/military force to enforce it. Back in the old days,tribal like nations used to be swallowed by organized states. Study the history of the Roman Empire. If non aggression was a thing, states wouldn't go to war with each other over futile shit.
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You still continued your argument after saying wars are inevitable. Wow!
So do we have safety at streets? Or people are getting robbed all the time? Assaulted and stuff?
And it gets funnier because the ones defending state aka leftists are the ones who complain the most about police and army. It's so absurd.
And despite all that we still see at the south of Brazil where it gets flooded how people HELP each other DESPITE the absence or the very few presence of the state.
Humans can be as both bad or good. Is not a state that will change a thing.
So do we have safety at streets? Or people are getting robbed all the time? Assaulted and stuff?
And it gets funnier because the ones defending state aka leftists are the ones who complain the most about police and army. It's so absurd.
And despite all that we still see at the south of Brazil where it gets flooded how people HELP each other DESPITE the absence or the very few presence of the state.
Humans can be as both bad or good. Is not a state that will change a thing.
You are day dreaming now. War will always happen. Without states or not. Even Chimps go to war with each other. Safety on the streets=armed citizes+police forces. The biggest problem with ancap is law. How are people going to dish out punishment? For example: Are you in favor or against death penalty? Some people might believe some kids playing in their yard unauthorized is enough of a reason to shoot them.The kids family will probably think otherwise. In anarchism,people do whatever the fuck they feel like doing. This is a recipe for disaster. Anarchism is just as utopian as Communism.
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We don't have options anymore. If we keep this pace, poverty will start to become the norm, insecurity will rise and people who don't understand the problem will turn toward the far right to solve all of those problems. And this will only end very badly.
We need to tax the rich and publically shame those who prefer to sneak out if we need to. This is not an option anymore, this is one of the only solutions.
If necessary, laws needs to be created to force them to stay on territory.
No one is untouchable.
And I told you how we can prevent that phenomenon. Yes, some might flee. That's why we need to make them stay, and it will not be by giving them gift.
The fact that taxing more the poor than the rich is ridiculous is debatable ? What The actual F*ck ??
Because we live in a society where every one participate and its F. just that people who get money on the back of other people share said wealth?
You are inhuman dude if you believe that equality is supposed to let rich people get richer and poor people get poorer without creating a balance.
If you don't want to give to people, don't live with other people and create a town in the sahara desert.
anarchism =/ lack of order
We need to tax the rich and publically shame those who prefer to sneak out if we need to. This is not an option anymore, this is one of the only solutions.
If necessary, laws needs to be created to force them to stay on territory.
No one is untouchable.
And I told you how we can prevent that phenomenon. Yes, some might flee. That's why we need to make them stay, and it will not be by giving them gift.
The fact that taxing more the poor than the rich is ridiculous is debatable ? What The actual F*ck ??
Because we live in a society where every one participate and its F. just that people who get money on the back of other people share said wealth?
You are inhuman dude if you believe that equality is supposed to let rich people get richer and poor people get poorer without creating a balance.
If you don't want to give to people, don't live with other people and create a town in the sahara desert.
anarchism =/ lack of order
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The absence of a state is not absence of a law or order. There will be laws that the society living in that region will dictate and whoever wants to go there will be under those laws. If you don't wanna follow those laws you just don't go there. Not much different from what it is today. The big thing is not obligate anyone to pay for a governament they doesn't want and specially not having a state to provide services they can't provide. Private initiative for everything.
Who the fucking is saying that? What is debatable is how you measure the taxing. If it is absolute values or percentage values. And if it is based on income like I did or based on another measure.
Ok everyone participates but why someone has to pay more than the other if that said one usually is getting less from the governament? You want rich to pay more taxes so governament can provide services for the poor while the rich barely gets one? This is far from fair.
You are the one defending systems that DOES make the richer getting richer and the poor getting poorer. I"m the revolutionary here trying to make something else.
You the one who has to live in Sahara Desert because there is no property there for you to stole so you can create your delusional society there and then comeback saying that is was a mistake.
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Who the fucking is saying that? What is debatable is how you measure the taxing. If it is absolute values or percentage values. And if it is based on income like I did or based on another measure.
Ok everyone participates but why someone has to pay more than the other if that said one usually is getting less from the governament? You want rich to pay more taxes so governament can provide services for the poor while the rich barely gets one? This is far from fair.
You are the one defending systems that DOES make the richer getting richer and the poor getting poorer. I"m the revolutionary here trying to make something else.
You the one who has to live in Sahara Desert because there is no property there for you to stole so you can create your delusional society there and then comeback saying that is was a mistake.
You, by questionning this assertion, and basically your entire discourse about politics support that.
There is no such things as absolute taxing. So of course its based on income. The problem arrives when rich people think they should have a equal % as poor people when in reality they win 1000 time more for some.
Because its just. And for two reasons:
1. The income of rich people does not come out of nowhere, its a result of the production of worker
2. Because winning more means that you have more financial securities and overall stronger impact on society than others, so this must be equalized.
If you want to keep your own money. You take a trip naked in the sahara desert in front of an oasis and you start to build your own town. But as long as you live in society, you have a moral duty to others when you have more.
Actually this IS what being fair means. You are confusing being equal with being just. What you think is that we should have equal treatment in front of society. But you are completely missing the fact that society do not treat us the same and that we do not have the same chances in life.
You are - once again - completely blinded by your belief in meritocracy. In other word, you are blinded by a bias that we call "the belief in a just society".
Its time for you to understand that society is not just. And that your neighboor doesn't necessarily has the same chances as you. This is why when you can, you have a moral duty to help.
No mate, you are completely projecting. I'm doing the opposite.
Its you, right nown with your belief in meritocracy that JUSTIFY a system that believes that people can be rich just by making some efforts. And since its not how reality works, you are justifying a system that keeps the poor poor and make the rich richer.
You are an anarcho capitalist mate. Its not the political side that is taking the side of the oppressed and the work force. Its the side that takes the side of the rich and those who don't want to be responsible for others.
In other words, you are taking the side of selfish peoples.
Its time for you to wake up. You don't want a state ? Fine. I can understand that, ultimately I believe that we should be getting rid of it too. But that does not mean that you should overlook the reality of the world and the reality of SCIENTIFIC RESEARCHES.
So you want to have a stateless ideology ? Fine. Then start by understanding materialism, get rid of liberals and idealistic myths like meritocracy and start to learn more about the structural nature of the social field. Then you will have a chance to actually become a real anarchist.
You are completely oblivious if you think you are a revolutionary mate.
Capitalism is LITERALLY our system right now. So being a anarcho capitalism means that you would take this concept and multiplying it by 100.
You are not a revolutionnary, you are the dog of the system. You are literally prepared and willing to multiply the negative effects of the current state of capitalism just to justify its own myth that economic freedom is the graal of the future. You are part of a lunatic group that will act as the executionner of society. Through people like you or Milei, the effects of capitalism will multiply:
- Women will lose more rights
- Climate change will accelerate
- The poor will get less right and will increase in number hundred fold
- Insecurity will multiply
- Racism will rise like never before
- And some war will be started
And what it will create is a faster rise of fascist ideas.
Your ideology is a DANGER.
You need to understand just how out of touch with reality you really are and you need to read some actual science for once.
There is no such things as absolute taxing. So of course its based on income. The problem arrives when rich people think they should have a equal % as poor people when in reality they win 1000 time more for some.
Because its just. And for two reasons:
1. The income of rich people does not come out of nowhere, its a result of the production of worker
2. Because winning more means that you have more financial securities and overall stronger impact on society than others, so this must be equalized.
If you want to keep your own money. You take a trip naked in the sahara desert in front of an oasis and you start to build your own town. But as long as you live in society, you have a moral duty to others when you have more.
Actually this IS what being fair means. You are confusing being equal with being just. What you think is that we should have equal treatment in front of society. But you are completely missing the fact that society do not treat us the same and that we do not have the same chances in life.
You are - once again - completely blinded by your belief in meritocracy. In other word, you are blinded by a bias that we call "the belief in a just society".
Its time for you to understand that society is not just. And that your neighboor doesn't necessarily has the same chances as you. This is why when you can, you have a moral duty to help.
No mate, you are completely projecting. I'm doing the opposite.
Its you, right nown with your belief in meritocracy that JUSTIFY a system that believes that people can be rich just by making some efforts. And since its not how reality works, you are justifying a system that keeps the poor poor and make the rich richer.
You are an anarcho capitalist mate. Its not the political side that is taking the side of the oppressed and the work force. Its the side that takes the side of the rich and those who don't want to be responsible for others.
In other words, you are taking the side of selfish peoples.
Its time for you to wake up. You don't want a state ? Fine. I can understand that, ultimately I believe that we should be getting rid of it too. But that does not mean that you should overlook the reality of the world and the reality of SCIENTIFIC RESEARCHES.
So you want to have a stateless ideology ? Fine. Then start by understanding materialism, get rid of liberals and idealistic myths like meritocracy and start to learn more about the structural nature of the social field. Then you will have a chance to actually become a real anarchist.
You are completely oblivious if you think you are a revolutionary mate.
Capitalism is LITERALLY our system right now. So being a anarcho capitalism means that you would take this concept and multiplying it by 100.
You are not a revolutionnary, you are the dog of the system. You are literally prepared and willing to multiply the negative effects of the current state of capitalism just to justify its own myth that economic freedom is the graal of the future. You are part of a lunatic group that will act as the executionner of society. Through people like you or Milei, the effects of capitalism will multiply:
- Women will lose more rights
- Climate change will accelerate
- The poor will get less right and will increase in number hundred fold
- Insecurity will multiply
- Racism will rise like never before
- And some war will be started
And what it will create is a faster rise of fascist ideas.
Your ideology is a DANGER.
You need to understand just how out of touch with reality you really are and you need to read some actual science for once.
That is rich coming from a guy that believes ina ideology that has many genocides and dcitatorships under its belt
I'm not a maoist neither am I a leninist or a stalinist mate