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Herrera95

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Bisoromi Bear said:
Yes they are pushed to immigrate as a result of the West messing with other countries and destroying their economies. Everyone with a shred of intellectual honesty and general knowledge knows that European colonialism is the cause of Africa's poverty yet you'll find plenty Westerners today who believe that Africans are simply less evolved (racially) and that this is the reason. The same people you'll hear argue that immigration has to stop because quote "we can't save the whole world" . I've heard and read this line so often in this context. The lack of awareness among Westerners is next level.
And the almost the same can be applied to the middle east only that the west ruined these countries by perpetual conflicts and evidently deliver weapons to regimes that it publically criticizes.
Long story short, this whole mess results not only in neocolonialism outside of European but in additional auto- and recolonisation of Europe itself. The only ones benefitting are European elites and to some extent their affiliated proxies in the colonies outside of Europe.
Who doesn't benefit are the immigrants as well as the local European population.
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External more powerful and wealthier countries messing up Africa for sure is one of the biggest reasons why they are poor nowadays but that's not all of it. Africa is full of dictatorship that follows a bunch of left wing ideias that doesn't work because they wasn't made to work but to keep the political status quo unchanged. And be sure it is much more benefitial for africans to move to Europe than you think lol. Europe is a paradise compared to what their lives were at Africa. That place sucks.

Bisoromi Bear said:
why do we –Europeans– have to bring anything to other people? Why can't we let them live their lives and not force our idea of statehood, wealth and culture on them?
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Welcome to wisdom my fellow libertarian.

Bisoromi Bear said:
Humans naturally diversify. Strip them of their uniqueness and they'll come up with different views and ways of life sooner or later, leading to the formation of new cultures and genetically distinct groups with different linguistic varieties. Removing the cultures of people without their consent only leaves traumatized and emotionally unstable people that are more easily controlled than people with independent identities.
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Exactly. And that's why there is social and economical disparities between individuals. Some seek fame while others avoid it. Some seek money while others don't care much about it.

Bisoromi Bear said:
The only way a world without borders would ever work is with an actual world government in place that forcefully reestablishes the common culture through violence every time regional variations emerge. Essentially like a communist empire such as the USSR or PRC. Are you aware how minorities are 'dealt with' in these regimes?
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He is aware and this is exactly what he wants and I've being warning everyone here about it for a long time already.
 
Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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Herrera95 said:
External more powerful and wealthier countries messing up Africa for sure is one of the biggest reasons why they are poor nowadays but that's not all of it. Africa is full of dictatorship that follows a bunch of left wing ideias that doesn't work because they wasn't made to work but to keep the political status quo unchanged. And be sure it is much more benefitial for africans to move to Europe than you think lol. Europe is a paradise compared to what their lives were at Africa. That place sucks.


Welcome to wisdom my fellow libertarian.


Exactly. And that's why there is social and economical disparities between individuals. Some seek fame while others avoid it. Some seek money while others don't care much about it.


He is aware and this is exactly what he wants and I've being warning everyone here about it for a long time already.
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Ultra brainrot
 
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Herrera95

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Okamakama said:
To think there would be a day when I agree with everything you've said... Bisoromi Bear.

I've tried to reiterate this. It's not just the European natives who suffer, but also the immigrants who come here. The only people who benefit from this whole system are the elites.

I think you tapped into something I wanted to say, and I'm grateful for that: The immigration crisis destroys cultural identity which leaves them unstable, and, thus, easily controllable.
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Just to be clear on what I say while quoting Bisoromi Bear... I'm not saying that immigrants have no struggle when moving just saying their lives gets much better. Otherwise they wouldn't be moving in first place.

Not sure about that whole culture thing you are talking about. I really can't see this happening. As long people have freedom to be what they want without breaking any law nothing bad towards culture should happen. And even if a culture or some traditions disappear within time... What's the problem? This happens since the beginning of the years...
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Bisoromi Bear said:
Ultra brainrot
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You got so close dude... But keep trying hard. You are almost there!
 
Bisoromi Bear

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Herrera95 said:
Just to be clear on what I say while quoting Bisoromi Bear... I'm not saying that immigrants have no struggle when moving just saying their lives gets much better. Otherwise they wouldn't be moving in first place.

Not sure about that whole culture thing you are talking about. I really can't see this happening. As long people have freedom to be what they want without breaking any law nothing bad towards culture should happen. And even if a culture or some traditions disappear within time... What's the problem? This happens since the beginning of the years...
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You got so close dude... But keep trying hard. You are almost there!
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Bisoromi Bear said:
Ultra brainrot
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Herrera95

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Medeia said:
While i agree with some things Bisoromi mentioned, immigration is not the main issue for young europeans in particular who fueled this triumph of both far-right and conservatives in european elections the most, rather the main issues are the rising cost of living and even moreso "livelyhood insecurity".
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Isn't this about immigration anyway? Isn't immigrants the most cause of insecurity nowadays in Europe? And aren't they accepting getting paid less so they are overtaking all the low study (I forgot how they are called) jobs?

A bit off topic I've recently saw an article explaning how the youngs are avoiding universities and looking for technical courses instead where they could be more sure about having a job when they are done.

Medeia said:
While older generations were/are fearing job loss, younger generations fear to never land a job (let alone a well paid one) in the first place, no matter how many master or even PhD degrees they invest in and it's this fear that a study in Germany analyzed as what mainly drives the younger generations in Germany to the far-right since they don't believe left and liberal parties are up to the task to solve this big issue and this is truly the main task to solve for the younger generations if you want the EU to remain in existence long-term outside of political powers in other parts of the world threatening Europe (Trumpism, Putin, PRC).
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Yeah funny how the whole world always go back to the right when they need to be saved

Let me ask you, how is the "temperature" about a possible World War coming with this whole Russia x Otan situation?
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Akai2 said:
Porn not banned yet?

I thought crying about politics online would change the world to my tune:shocked:
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Porn is what keeps society sane.
 
Bisoromi Bear

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Herrera95 said:
Isn't this about immigration anyway? Isn't immigrants the most cause of insecurity nowadays in Europe? And aren't they accepting getting paid less so they are overtaking all the low study (I forgot how they are called) jobs?

A bit off topic I've recently saw an article explaning how the youngs are avoiding universities and looking for technical courses instead where they could be more sure about having a job when they are done.


Yeah funny how the whole world always go back to the right when they need to be saved

Let me ask you, how is the "temperature" about a possible World War coming with this whole Russia x Otan situation?
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Porn is what keeps society sane.
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You are so dumb.
 
AlmightyEneru

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Adam 🍎 said:
So to end it, reason why right wingers and now rise of far right is kinda good, is bcs it defers immigrants for overflowing countries that can't handle them in any capacity, legal or illegal.
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The birth rates are the only important quantitative measurement that determines immigration and emigration flows on the planet in the long term (think in 1000s of years not just one human lifetime). Nothing can fix this number problem, besides forcing, or better incentivizing, Croatians (or any other countries) to have more children.

No industrialized country has above replacement level fertility. The right wing might fix it, since the current left government can not increase birth rates.
But relatively right wing conservative countries like Poland (1.32 Births per Woman), Japan or South Korea can have even lower fertility rates than left wing Sweden or Germany (1.58 births per woman). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate

Note how Israel is exceptional, since it the only modern fully industrialized country with 2.8 births per woman (means above replacement, (exponential) growth).

I wish we had more quantitative number discussions instead of qualitative discussions about imigration. How can we increase birth rates? Cloning? Child Money? Religion?

Are these good/bad?
 
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Bisoromi Bear

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Akai2 said:
Damn no U-turn signs anymore? :shocked:
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This has to be joke right

AlmightyEneru said:
The birth rates are the only important quantitative measurement that determines immigration and emigration flows on the planet in the long term (think in 1000s of years not just one human lifetime). Nothing can fix this number problem, besides forcing, or better incentivizing, Croatians (or any other countries) to have more children.

No industrialized country has above replacement level fertility. The right wing might fix it, since the current left government can not increase birth rates.
But relatively right wing conservative countries like Poland (1.32 Births per Woman), Japan or South Korea can have even lower fertility rates than left wing Sweden or Germany (1.58 births per woman). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate

Note how Israel is exceptional, since it the only modern fully industrialized country with 2.8 births per woman (means above replacement, (exponential) growth).

I wish we had more quantitative number discussions instead of qualitative discussions about imigration. How can we increase birth rates? Cloning? Child Money? Religion?

Are these good/bad?
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You're implying that populations shrinking is a bad thing. We'd all to better if there were less humans considering the earth's resources are limited and we're already fighting resource wars. Some past societies solved their resource shortage issues through recurring ritualized warfare to reduce population numbers. And our stupid industrial cultures today are artificially trying to increase population numbers despite already limited resources and having convinced themselves that we can create resources out of thin air.
People need to get a grip already.
 
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