Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Trump, just like Jordan Bardella, Marine Le Pen or Eric Zemmour in France, is a mediatic construction.

FOR THREE REASONS :

1 - Trump is good mediatic subject.

This means that when Trump arrives on screen, the chances that audiences rise goes up. The reason were heavily documented everywhere, I won't get into that here.

2 - Trump is the perfect scarecrow for liberals and the bourgeoisie to keep the power.

Just like in France, the far right is the perfect voting argument for liberals to create a political and republican Front and unite the "progressist". This has for effect to keep liberals in situation of domination and leftists in situations of weakness.

2 - The far right do NOT threaten the liberals.

This is the main reason. The far right is pro capitalistic and pro-meritocratic. It NEVER threatens the rich. So dominant liberal medias (mainly in France now) will NOT attack the far right for what it is and the danger that it can become, on the contrary, they will promote it until it start to go against their interests.

That's why Trump arrived so fast in power and that why the far right in France is so powerfull. The far right, for journalist, is and is treated like a fun show, like sport. They will not be impacted by their politics, so they can act as simple analyst.

You will never see the same treatment with real radical leftists or the extrem left. Simply because we are their worst ennemy.

 

[Mathias]

Trump being a meme plays in his favour

 

[Akai2]

Cutest couple

http://imgur.com/a/FdPNHF4

 

[Z-Saber]

and again, All False notions, George Floyd Was a criminal and deserved to go to jail, But instead He fentanyl'd himself to death. Good Job.

Makes your voices heard peacefully and Patriotically. Guess this went over your head, Not to mention all the other suspicious bullshit that went down, Also Nancy and her goons denying National Guard.

She Supposedly Had Responsibility!!!! kek What is it Nanc! Make it Make Sense!!! Steven Sund seems to think otherwise as well!

Right because “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression” is a side effect from an overdose. At this point idrc about that case but so many conservatives holding this view is telling. Y'all can just say that you're ok with an officer killing a guy because he's black and worthless. No need to keep hiding your true opinions. Come on, we're all in favor of free speech man, use it.

And before you try to flip this to make it seem like I'm in defense of George Floyd, I'm not. The dude was a career criminal and drug addict. I just personally don't believe cops should be able to get away with homicide, no matter who it is.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

MAGA TFGs (Too far gone) tend to project when they talk about Trump derangement syndrome when they’ve used the same line of argumentation democrats use against trump, but against Biden. You have to be blind or purposely dense to think Trump is not an authoritarian demagogue (he himself called for suspending the constitution on truth social) and has that abhorrent plan “project 2025” that would hinder the ability of other branches of government to keep him in check.

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@Medeia You’re a voice of reason in a sea of extremists and conspiracy theorists. Glad to know there are people like you here.

 

[Logiko]

@Medeia You’re a voice of reason in a sea of extremists and conspiracy theorists. Glad to know there are people like you here.

I agree

 

[Uncle Van]

Nor did anyone really until first gamergate happened and shortly before that USA legalized same-sex marriage since then we get all the gender wars that even influence elections around the world.

Because it's nothing but a political tool to create moral outage and get people to the polls. Not only on the Federal level, but state level. In the early 1900s, the tool was foreigners. When that started losing steam, it was the Red Scare and Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s. When that started dying off, they switched to homosexuality for the 60s-80s.

When same-sex marriage became legalized, the right winger media and politicians lost a big scapegoat until they stumbled upon Trans in 2016. Now less than 1% of the population is after your kids and trying to overthrow God's values as they put it.

 

[Medeia]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...bolivia-as-soldiers-storm-presidential-palace

Another failed coup attempt in a country after the recent one in Democratic Republic Congo, the army around their chief tried to oust president Arce and his government, Zuniga then urged the soldiers to withdraw after country leaders around the world blasted the coup attempt as illegal.

Of course conspiracies are already spreading on the internet through russian bots and willfull Russia supporters that this were another USA/CIA ploy to get rid of a leftist government instead of inner domestic turmoil and instability that caused this failed attempt.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...bolivia-as-soldiers-storm-presidential-palace

Another failed coup attempt in a country after the recent one in Democratic Republic Congo, the army around their chief tried to oust president Arce and his government, Zuniga then urged the soldiers to withdraw after country leaders around the world blasted the coup attempt as illegal.

Of course conspiracies are already spreading on the internet through russian bots and willfull Russia supporters that this were another USA/CIA ploy to get rid of a leftist government instead of inner domestic turmoil and instability that caused this failed attempt.

Russia did it

 

[Medeia]

Russia did it

Are there any actual evidences for that? I personally don't see what Putin and his oligarchies would actually gain from this Coup attempt.

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Trump .. again ?

Trump is a better human being than you.

 

[Roo]

I think people simply want a well thought out explanation on why Trump is bad instead of the usual "he's evil/racist/corrupt!" without substance. The latter sounds like an angry moron drowned in ignorance and emotion. The usual Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Inciting riots to overthrow an election is kinda bad

 

[RebelliousSoma]

Living in America has been getting worse over the past few years so it's easy for them to blame Biden for everything

Biden as president couldn't be possibly responsible for the wellbeing and quality of life in America, could he? /sarcasm

Are you seriously pretending to not see the correlation? Please watch this podcast. Biden has terrible policies so even going forward he's the worse choice. They also have a direct interview with Trump just one video later. Anyway these aren't brokies talking, so they know how money works at least.

and the fact that everyone is so obsessed with Trump's crimes instead of politicians as a whole makes it seems like he's a targeted scapegoat.

We literally had 4 years of Orange Man Bad during his presidency and more years afterwards.

America is very lucky not having to deal with both covid lockdown and Biden policies at the same time. Can't imagine the chaos that would ensue.

 

[Roo]

Being consistently painted as white supremacists and Nazis by the left for merely being a supporter of Trump further drives more and more people who don't support Biden and the left-wing political actions to the other side.

this is something that any reasonable person would agree. Only the terminally online think it’s good idea to call half the population nazis and white supremacist.

and the Jan 6 incident (which actually didn't cause much physical damage to the Capitol building, unlike the George Floyd riots), made the grand jury's actions look like political persecution instead.

This is retarded. You’re comparing a bunch of unorganized riots to Trump calling for the overturning of a fucking election. He literally undermined the foundation of this country and you’re comparing that to randos breaking stuff?

even if we were to agree I would send all the blm rioters to jail alongside trump

 

[RebelliousSoma]

conspiracy theorists

Learn what the words mean before you use them. Don't just regurgitate what you hear elsewhere, not even in the media. Do your own research.

Conspiracy = a plan to do harm. For example conspiring on money laundering.
Now a theory about that isn't even farfetched as the slang meaning makes believe.


Further you have so called "conspiracy theories" that turned out to be real:
https://history.howstuffworks.com/h...nspiracy-theories-that-were-actually-true.htm


And last but not least, human greed is real, following the money leads to the right answers. You got serious issues and you are really audacious to make such ignorant comments, especially because you got nothing to back it up with.
But whatever, stay ignorant, you won't be the first and you won't be the last.

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Russia did it

Nice one. I like this running gag. Cat pooped on the bed, it's Russia's fault because it's a russian blue cat, duh!

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this is something that any reasonable person would agree. Only the terminally online think it’s good idea to call half the population nazis and white supremacist.



This is retarded. You’re comparing a bunch of unorganized riots to Trump calling for the overturning of a fucking election. He literally undermined the foundation of this country and you’re comparing that to randos breaking stuff?

even if we were to agree I would send all the blm rioters to jail alongside trump

I suggest looking up all possible J6 video and watching them yourself. Why is a literal antifa commie in the crowd and filming himself?
Also lots of inconsistencies with the stories, claims and the actual footage.

What actually happened is hard to tell.

 

[Uncle Van]

Biden as president couldn't be possibly responsible for the wellbeing and quality of life in America, could he? /sarcasm

Are you seriously pretending to not see the correlation? Please watch this podcast. Biden has terrible policies so even going forward he's the worse choice. They also have a direct interview with Trump just one video later. Anyway these aren't brokies talking, so they know how money works at least.

I clearly said they like to blame Biden for everything. Inflation for example was Trump's fault. Biden on other hand has done nothing to stop it and it's letting it run cause the election is near.

 

[Logiko]

Trump is a better human being than you.

Only the terminally online think it’s good idea to call half the population nazis and white supremacist.

Not a lot of people, not even me are calling the voter of Trump white supremacist or Nazis, this is an overexageration of far rightist to rationnalize the fact that they are voting for someone who is a racist and a cryptofascist.

I call those people far-rightist, sometimes racists but rarely nazis or white supremacist (unless we are talking about the extrem side of the far right)

Also, the idea that because the left is calling you with a bad name is the reason that people go toward the bad people is simple BS. Far rightist have been pushed toward the far right by the over representation of insecurities and immigration debate and by the legitimization of their debaters.

In other words people didn't go toward Trump in reactance to people labelling them, they went toward him because of the opposite reason, because some people made Trump relatable.

And last but not least, human greed is real, following the money leads to the right answers.

This is an oversimplification of both social relationships and geopolitics. This typê of reasonning is what pushed me toward conspiracy theories in the first place when I was a studiant. Careful mate.

 

[Roo]

Not a lot of people, not even me are calling the voter of Trump white supremacist or Nazis, this is an overexageration of far rightist to rationnalize the fact that they are voting for someone who is a racist and a cryptofascist.

I literally said “only terminally online people”.

 

[Logiko]

I literally said “only terminally online people”.

THe problem is that it is a far rightist argument.

"I voting for Trump/Le Pen/Meloni" because you called us "nazi" "white surpremacist" "racists" etc.

So lets not use their argument since they are wrong to begin with.

 

[Mathias]

Eric Ciotti is the biggest bitch of the 5th Republic. RN leading the polls because he betrayed the republic for tyranny.