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Sorry if that doesn't scare you. Me and my coutnry just avoided it by a hair. So lets tone done the cynicism. Ok ?
I don't think Trump is a fascist. I think Trump is a cryptofascist.
And no, Trump is far more dangerous than the rest. Its not even a challenge.
I don't think so no.
Fascism does not come through revolution but through the votes. Its considered legitimate at first. The USA never faced fascism. Trump would be an open door for it.
Not me. I'm always very serious when I use this term.
Mate, you don't understand that fascism is not scaled on the amount of reactionnary positions a party has. Its a specific social movement with specific characteristics.
Its a movement that will make democracy fall without a possibility of return. Without even you noticing it.
Take some tangerines ;)
I don't think Trump is a fascist. I think Trump is a cryptofascist.
And no, Trump is far more dangerous than the rest. Its not even a challenge.
I don't think so no.
Fascism does not come through revolution but through the votes. Its considered legitimate at first. The USA never faced fascism. Trump would be an open door for it.
Not me. I'm always very serious when I use this term.
Mate, you don't understand that fascism is not scaled on the amount of reactionnary positions a party has. Its a specific social movement with specific characteristics.
Its a movement that will make democracy fall without a possibility of return. Without even you noticing it.
Take some tangerines ;)
lol a genuine civil war event would cause an obvious domino effect for every single country that has any stake in American geopolitical hegemony though (AKA, basically all of the relevant ones)
Does that mean WW3? Probably not, but it would probably be an escalating event towards an eventual geopolitical conflict, as there's 0% chance of Russia, EU, etc. being devoutly neutral about the whole affair
Trump's assassination would probably rival something like 9/11 in terms of rebound and scale (strictly comparing the reaction and fallout to such an event, not the damage done) that kicks off other very serious events. Most likely you'd get something like January 6 x100 as an immediate reaction, and some guerilla level conflict and possible balkanization as eventual consequences
Does that mean WW3? Probably not, but it would probably be an escalating event towards an eventual geopolitical conflict, as there's 0% chance of Russia, EU, etc. being devoutly neutral about the whole affair
Trump's assassination would probably rival something like 9/11 in terms of rebound and scale (strictly comparing the reaction and fallout to such an event, not the damage done) that kicks off other very serious events. Most likely you'd get something like January 6 x100 as an immediate reaction, and some guerilla level conflict and possible balkanization as eventual consequences
Define those specific characteristics because I don't really believe you believe this.
Like just for perspective - the leading republican candidate widely decried as "fascist" is a vocal supporter of equal rights for all people, all races, LBTQ rights, etc etc.
The U.S. has been a country for 250 years, and for about 75% of that Black people didn't have equal rights. If you think Trump is a fascist by definition you'd probably think about 90% of all administrations historically were fascists, if we're talking strictly on the level of his political positions.
If you're talking specifically about his inclination towards going above and beyond the democratic process or something, well why didn't we have the 4th Reich or whatever when he was actually in office you silly broad
Like just for perspective - the leading republican candidate widely decried as "fascist" is a vocal supporter of equal rights for all people, all races, LBTQ rights, etc etc.
The U.S. has been a country for 250 years, and for about 75% of that Black people didn't have equal rights. If you think Trump is a fascist by definition you'd probably think about 90% of all administrations historically were fascists, if we're talking strictly on the level of his political positions.
If you're talking specifically about his inclination towards going above and beyond the democratic process or something, well why didn't we have the 4th Reich or whatever when he was actually in office you silly broad
Absolufuckingley not
They aren't even properly coping over the fact the "kid" was a registered Republican lmao. This won't sway shit for anyone
They aren't even properly coping over the fact the "kid" was a registered Republican lmao. This won't sway shit for anyone
If you've ever played hitman the first thing you do is blend in, grab an outfit, get into crowds, etc. You also don't just wake up one day and decide "hey I feel like killing Trump lol". He had explosives in his car, and probably scenario planned different things he could have potentially done, where being registered republican could have given him access to certain venues in certain situations. Or he could just tried to primary against Trump. Or he could be a righty and he had an incomprehensible motive.
If alphabet soup agencies do their job properly we'll get an accounting of his internet history and such and have a better idea but good chance a lot of details are kept under tight wrap
Because luckely, the US have failsafe just like most countries, and Trump had not really the time or freedom to do everything he wanted.
Remember, a lot of things happened. Trump was first most concerned by his image than his job and COVID came along.
You need to understand that what happened on January 6 is not something innocent. This was a REAL testimony that there is a danger.
If there is one thing that this assassination attempt proved, is that Trump is not a fool. He is PERFECTLY AWARE of his impact and his influence.
Like I said, Trump has the power of ralliement of Luffy, and the machiavelism of Blackbeard. Next time in Office, Trump will be legitimated, he will not have to fight for his image now, he will do exactly what he wants. And what he wants, might bring the end of the US democracy as we know it.
Don't think that because you never had fascism, you are immune to it.
Fascism doesn't ring.
Fascism doesn't warn.
Once you notice its presence, its already too late.
There is a reason why this scene exist:
You should read more often what I write instead of lying like you are used to.
So no. its not okay to target a right winger who is doing nothing wrong, the same as it is not okay to target a left winger.
Not as I remember. I don't really feel bullied on this server.
Remember, a lot of things happened. Trump was first most concerned by his image than his job and COVID came along.
You need to understand that what happened on January 6 is not something innocent. This was a REAL testimony that there is a danger.
If there is one thing that this assassination attempt proved, is that Trump is not a fool. He is PERFECTLY AWARE of his impact and his influence.
Like I said, Trump has the power of ralliement of Luffy, and the machiavelism of Blackbeard. Next time in Office, Trump will be legitimated, he will not have to fight for his image now, he will do exactly what he wants. And what he wants, might bring the end of the US democracy as we know it.
Don't think that because you never had fascism, you are immune to it.
Fascism doesn't ring.
Fascism doesn't warn.
Once you notice its presence, its already too late.
There is a reason why this scene exist:
You should read more often what I write instead of lying like you are used to.
So no. its not okay to target a right winger who is doing nothing wrong, the same as it is not okay to target a left winger.
Not as I remember. I don't really feel bullied on this server.
January 6 was a bunch of boomers who walked in and took pictures in a mostly empty building, then they got blackbagged by 3 letter agencies and got the book thrown at them after all was said and done. It was a nothingburger
Again, you seem to lack vital historical perspective. Lynch mobs were a common thing here. If you're worried that Trump will mobilize a bunch of rednecks and...then what? Form communist execution squads? Take away women's rights? You're not being specific and I imagine that's because stress testing this really shows how ludicrous it is. You can't have a fascist regime fueled by americans who on average are basically just liberal capitalists, which is just about all Trump is.
Modern Americans are hyper progressive in comparison to their ancestors who fought in WW2, let alone the Fascists they fought against. I would say ironically the "threat to democracy" talk has been more of an escalation to this effect in a self fulfilling prophecy sort of way.
Again, you seem to lack vital historical perspective. Lynch mobs were a common thing here. If you're worried that Trump will mobilize a bunch of rednecks and...then what? Form communist execution squads? Take away women's rights? You're not being specific and I imagine that's because stress testing this really shows how ludicrous it is. You can't have a fascist regime fueled by americans who on average are basically just liberal capitalists, which is just about all Trump is.
Modern Americans are hyper progressive in comparison to their ancestors who fought in WW2, let alone the Fascists they fought against. I would say ironically the "threat to democracy" talk has been more of an escalation to this effect in a self fulfilling prophecy sort of way.
You are really delulu if you think I'm giving you guys this much importance.
But that's cute. I can see why you would need to seek recognition together when you are talking about me
Anyway
No. A lot of threads are already political. I'm only turning the light toward their political realities.
One death.
A barricade away from reaching elected officials. But keep thinking that there was nothing.
I'm french. I think I have the perfect perspective to understand the danger of fascism, thank you.
Oh no. Not anymore. I'm not worried about that anymore.
What I'm worried about on the other hand, is about the US constitution.
You are really delulu if you think I'm giving you guys this much importance.
But that's cute. I can see why you would need to seek recognition together when you are talking about me
Anyway
No. A lot of threads are already political. I'm only turning the light toward their political realities.
One death.
A barricade away from reaching elected officials. But keep thinking that there was nothing.
I'm french. I think I have the perfect perspective to understand the danger of fascism, thank you.
Oh no. Not anymore. I'm not worried about that anymore.
What I'm worried about on the other hand, is about the US constitution.
You're pulling an Oda where you're all like "THEY will do THAT THING and it will be THE END OF THAT MAN" just spill out what you think will happen. Politicians executed? Communists thrown off buildings? Send women back to the kitchen?
If you can't answer convincingly you're full of it
You are really delulu if you think I'm giving you guys this much importance.
But that's cute. I can see why you would need to seek recognition together when you are talking about me
Anyway
No. A lot of threads are already political. I'm only turning the light toward their political realities.
One death.
A barricade away from reaching elected officials. But keep thinking that there was nothing.
I'm french. I think I have the perfect perspective to understand the danger of fascism, thank you.
Oh no. Not anymore. I'm not worried about that anymore.
What I'm worried about on the other hand, is about the US constitution.
My bad, I thought I gave you a full explanation three post ago - I had a full paragraph ready - but it seems that I lost that part of the post and I forgot to put it in my post.
Fascism is a political and social phenomenon with very specific characteristics that have been studied and have been very well documented over the years.
You can find a simple list of those characteristics in the easay of Umberto Eco about Ur-fascism (pre-fascism):
https://www.faena.com/aleph/umberto-eco-a-practical-list-for-identifying-fascists
Added to that, I made that post, where I explained clearly - with the example of France - how fascism would rise and operate through the far right rise of power:
I'll take that as a win too
Fascism is a political and social phenomenon with very specific characteristics that have been studied and have been very well documented over the years.
You can find a simple list of those characteristics in the easay of Umberto Eco about Ur-fascism (pre-fascism):
https://www.faena.com/aleph/umberto-eco-a-practical-list-for-identifying-fascists
Added to that, I made that post, where I explained clearly - with the example of France - how fascism would rise and operate through the far right rise of power:
To create an allegory, this is what putting the far right in FULL power looks like in real life:
Each dominos is ones steps closer to fascism.
- The first domino will be the mastering of the mainstream press. With the far right in power, you can be sure the mainstream owned by billionnaires will align with the interest of the power since liberals won't be affected too much by a far right government.
- The second domino is the devaluation of the truth. We live in a world where information is far harder to fact check than it is to spread. The far right, because of their nature tend to FLOOD the informations and minds of people with so much lies and fake news that it will be impossible to fact check everything. The truth will lose its value. This is something that is already happening today. You just have to look at example like Trump, Macron or the RN in France.
- The third domino is the murder of the public press. With the mainstream media aligning to the POPULAR power. The public press will be pressured by all sides to stop the "liberal propaganda", population included, and because the far right think that the press should not be hold by the power and therefore should not spread information that favors the power, they will privatize of the public press.. Those stations will be bought by billionnaires that will.. logically align themselves with the interest of liberals or the far right power. As you can see, I'm talking about the public press as mainly defending the interest of liberals. A leftist press would be absolutely non existent, so you can expect the radicalization of the press and the public debate toward reactionnary agendas.
- The fourth domino is the radicalization of the rural masses. Yes, I'm talking about the radicalization of everyone who ALREADY voted for the far right in rural zone with little to no big access to internet. The reason behind that is the echo chamber created by the previous dominos. The absence of viable and truthfull informations and the absence of diversities in media, will push the media to radicalize themselves and this will in result push the population who watches those media to radicalizes themselves as well. We will start with journalists saying that migrants could be a potential danger for our villages to end with journalists saying that trans people are pedophiles, that black people who live in "no-go zones" are lazy, that psychically ill people - like me - are mostly faking their illness, that we must force poor people to work etc. andthe population will follow..
- The fifth domino is the radicalization of the politics. Because don't expect political people to be spared by the radicalization. Far right people are not people who follow science. They are mostly climatosceptics and do not accept the entierity of the scientific spectrum as legitimate. So if an echo chamber is created, you can expect far rightist political deputee to be radicalized the same way as other people or their own voters. In short, theirs own ideology will push them to radicalize themself. It literally like a spaceship going faster and faster in space because it has fuel and it is moving without resistance. The fuel of the far right is literally its own ideology and the more they will be in power the more radical and dangerous they will be. So you can expect worst and worst politics in EVERY domain. Politics they didn't even had to begin with.
- The sixth dominois the murder of the institution and the constitution. You guys have to understand that fascism hurt us SO BAD during the war because the constitution was ripped appart that a LOT of countries created a fail safe. They created institution to oppose or discuss any change to constitutionnal rights. Well, guess what. Some far rightist's main goal is to get rid of the institutions that could block them from creating their far right politics (such as the national preference in France for ex.). In France, with a majority or a referundum, the president could delete completely the constitutional counsil and destroy any resistance for their politics. They would have therefore free range to do what they want.
With the assemblee with a radicalized far right, without anyone to stop the far right from changing the constitution or applicate its politics, with a population that radicalize everyday more and more..
I give them less than 3 years to transform any country into a fascist one WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING IT.
Because as you can see, the only thing that is really intended here, is the ideology. EVERYTHING ELSE is a RESULT of said ideology. The far right in power without counter power would result in a majority completely OUT OF CONTROL from the people and the politic themself since those politics will be forced by their own situation and place to follow the train.
The ones who will resists even a little will be annihilated and will be left all the others who are not realizing that they are radicalizing themself more and more.
80 years ago, fascism did not appear because people wanted fascism. Fascism appeared because people didn't think about the consequences of their actions !
For far rightist, I hope you will find the strenght to resist your biases before its too late.
For the others, you should be afraid of what is coming.
Each dominos is ones steps closer to fascism.
- The first domino will be the mastering of the mainstream press. With the far right in power, you can be sure the mainstream owned by billionnaires will align with the interest of the power since liberals won't be affected too much by a far right government.
- The second domino is the devaluation of the truth. We live in a world where information is far harder to fact check than it is to spread. The far right, because of their nature tend to FLOOD the informations and minds of people with so much lies and fake news that it will be impossible to fact check everything. The truth will lose its value. This is something that is already happening today. You just have to look at example like Trump, Macron or the RN in France.
- The third domino is the murder of the public press. With the mainstream media aligning to the POPULAR power. The public press will be pressured by all sides to stop the "liberal propaganda", population included, and because the far right think that the press should not be hold by the power and therefore should not spread information that favors the power, they will privatize of the public press.. Those stations will be bought by billionnaires that will.. logically align themselves with the interest of liberals or the far right power. As you can see, I'm talking about the public press as mainly defending the interest of liberals. A leftist press would be absolutely non existent, so you can expect the radicalization of the press and the public debate toward reactionnary agendas.
- The fourth domino is the radicalization of the rural masses. Yes, I'm talking about the radicalization of everyone who ALREADY voted for the far right in rural zone with little to no big access to internet. The reason behind that is the echo chamber created by the previous dominos. The absence of viable and truthfull informations and the absence of diversities in media, will push the media to radicalize themselves and this will in result push the population who watches those media to radicalizes themselves as well. We will start with journalists saying that migrants could be a potential danger for our villages to end with journalists saying that trans people are pedophiles, that black people who live in "no-go zones" are lazy, that psychically ill people - like me - are mostly faking their illness, that we must force poor people to work etc. andthe population will follow..
- The fifth domino is the radicalization of the politics. Because don't expect political people to be spared by the radicalization. Far right people are not people who follow science. They are mostly climatosceptics and do not accept the entierity of the scientific spectrum as legitimate. So if an echo chamber is created, you can expect far rightist political deputee to be radicalized the same way as other people or their own voters. In short, theirs own ideology will push them to radicalize themself. It literally like a spaceship going faster and faster in space because it has fuel and it is moving without resistance. The fuel of the far right is literally its own ideology and the more they will be in power the more radical and dangerous they will be. So you can expect worst and worst politics in EVERY domain. Politics they didn't even had to begin with.
- The sixth dominois the murder of the institution and the constitution. You guys have to understand that fascism hurt us SO BAD during the war because the constitution was ripped appart that a LOT of countries created a fail safe. They created institution to oppose or discuss any change to constitutionnal rights. Well, guess what. Some far rightist's main goal is to get rid of the institutions that could block them from creating their far right politics (such as the national preference in France for ex.). In France, with a majority or a referundum, the president could delete completely the constitutional counsil and destroy any resistance for their politics. They would have therefore free range to do what they want.
With the assemblee with a radicalized far right, without anyone to stop the far right from changing the constitution or applicate its politics, with a population that radicalize everyday more and more..
I give them less than 3 years to transform any country into a fascist one WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING IT.
Because as you can see, the only thing that is really intended here, is the ideology. EVERYTHING ELSE is a RESULT of said ideology. The far right in power without counter power would result in a majority completely OUT OF CONTROL from the people and the politic themself since those politics will be forced by their own situation and place to follow the train.
The ones who will resists even a little will be annihilated and will be left all the others who are not realizing that they are radicalizing themself more and more.
80 years ago, fascism did not appear because people wanted fascism. Fascism appeared because people didn't think about the consequences of their actions !
For far rightist, I hope you will find the strenght to resist your biases before its too late.
For the others, you should be afraid of what is coming.
I'll take that as a win too