Current Events Kuzan Is A Contender For One Piece - Why Oda Doesn’t Care About Swordsmen

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Prime Garp went on training by pulverizing mountains to prepare himself to flatten prime Chinjao's head, has powerful ACoC and named moes, allowing him to obliterate towns at old age when his strength declined by at least 50% by his own admission, as did his CoC decline since CoC is linked to overall strength and ambition.

The Manga stated the fact that an injured, old Garp was equally matched by a prime Aokiji who infused his punches with both Haki and his DF (we know Aokiji's most potent moves known to us work via a simple touch (Ice Time, Ice Age), hence by extension his ice gloves would work similarly, further proof being how in their exchange of blows, they were surrounded by both black lightning and ice).

There is a reason that the same admirals that spam their DFs against fodders and high tiers (Kizaru vs. Supernova and straw hats, Aokiji vs. fodders and commanders), tune their DF down and use them in accordance with other fighting styles (Aokiji's DF enhanced brawl against Garp and Kizaru's swordsmanship using a named light blade against Ralyeigh).

Somehow people think that the same Admirals that spam DFs against fodders, "restrict" their DF when fighting top tiers, rather than realizing that spamming DFs isn't useful against haki monsters.

Exactly, we have Garp breaking out of Kuzan's ice, and while he likely can't break out of a direct freeze, Kuzan would never be able to get close enough to touch him and freeze him solid because Garp would knock his block off.
Therefore, his fruit is useless outside of moves like Ice Glove.
This headcanon about the "Fruitless Admirals" or "Hands in Pockets Admirals" was always awkward and dumb, they claim fruitless Akainu > Sickbeard but Sickbeard straight up bested him while Akainu was using his fruit in cqc.
Hell the only reason Sickbeard even got half his head taken off in that exchange is because he was old as hell, had the OP equivalent of cancer, and was having frequent heart attacks after Squard stabbed him. If this was Primebeard, he'd dodge that then hit Akainu with an ACoC+Gura punch and make them hire Issho two years early.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

All this madness began because of one damn reaction piece panel🤣

Bruh an admiral wanker created this thread - "OdA DoEsnT CaRE AbOuT SwoRDsMan"

Prime Kuzan is > Prime Garp.

How delusional one has to be to believe this shit, especially after Hachinosu. You turned into a pathetic admiral wanker on this site - stop being so biased

 

[MarineHQ]

Somehow people think that the same Admirals that spam DFs against fodders, "restrict" their DF when fighting top tiers, rather than realizing that spamming DFs isn't useful against haki monsters.

We've been debating about this for years now, it always ends the same. If you think the strongest Logia fruits in the verse are only useful for fodder control and actually useless in a real top tier vs top tier battle then it's just a ridiculous statement.

Punk Hazard is the only prove an Admiral fan needs. Akainu and Aokiji didn't spam their elements, terraform and change the climate of the island because it was so much fun.
It was a direct result of their highest techniques for several days straight. Yes they brawled and most likely have done heavy hand to hand combat but while using their Logia abilities to the highest degree.

That the island was left in such a state was directly linked to their fruit abilities, not their ability to punch and kick. And since those abilities completely nuked an entire island I'm very, very confident in saying that whatever Kuzan used on Punk Hazard he couldn't use on Hachinosu as he would completely annihilate the home turf he was supposed to protect.

That Kuzan was shown to having the physical capabilities to even battle Old Garp is more than I ever could've expected out of him.

All this madness will be finally over when the first of the C3 finally uses their fruit power to the limit, then we'll know just how much Kuzan nerfed himself against Garp and how much he was actually superior had he been able to use all he has.

Whether it is Kizaru on Egghead or Akainu, it is coming.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

Multiple characters, including Gear 3 WCI Luffy and Kidd, were rag dolling Kaido. What does “rag dolling” even mean in your peabrain lmfao…it’s clear Garp was doing no more damage to fruitless emotionally compromised Kuzan than Kuzan did back to him.

You got a dead brain, Garp was going on a gauntlet lmao, dealing with aokiji fodders Teach commanders and stood supreme , keep your cope in your home .

Oh wait, I forgot you’re a Mihawk fan and you think Vista level trash is relevant to real top tiers since Mihawk couldn’t beat Vista lmfao.

They are relevant to weaken garp through stamina or having him distracted when they attack Coby and others who are being protected under Garp lol .

Just give up moron lmfao. Garp getting stabbed by Shiryu is utterly disgraceful for an Admiral.

On the other hand, getting stabbed by Shiryu would be a pretty good feat for Pissjulo.

Yeah you posted a panel that answers your cope .
You saw how a high tier does it when 2 are fighting isn't it ? Aokiji clashing against WB and Jozu sent his ass out 😂

No, it is literally a manga fact that Aokiji reached prime Garp’s level without his Devil fruit lmfao

It's a manga fact that Oda only portrayed Kuzan matching an old weakened Garp's no named hardened punch .

 

[IIskandar1997]

Meanwhile in reality

Garp would die in 3 seconds if he fought a serious Admiral lol.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Garp would die in 3 seconds if he fought a serious Admiral lol.

And this, people, is why Lee is the Admiral fan version of Erkek.

 

[ZenZu]

How delusional one has to be to believe this shit, especially after Hachinosu? You turned into a pathetic admiral wanker on this site - stop being so biased

It is because of Hachinosu where I'm leaning towards this now.


Wait for Akainu, he will show us what a full power C3 looks like. And then you will come back to this to delete it or hope no one saw it.

Just like I told you years ago you would realize with time how MF WB gets dog walked by any Admiral when it wasn't popular opinion. Now you have people saying King can beat him unironically.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

No because Oda kept making sure the audience understood Aokiji was hesitating. That and the potential that Kuzan is awakened.

If not for those 2 things you'd be correct.

Awakened Kuzan is still a headcanon until i see it .
Funnily enough Garp didn't use a single Galaxy attack on Aokiji .

What's wrong with that? He was eating Garp's adcoc laced attacks.

Garp was defeated, it's not like he lost and came out like that.

Garp was defeated through the effort of Aokiji + Shiryu's stab + Fodders and Teach commanders wasting his stamina out that weakened with Old Age .

Kuzan hesitating or not, like what @Garp the Fist has said in another thread He still got help from his Teach Crew and others .

 

[ZenZu]

Awakened Kuzan is still a headcanon until i see it .
Funnily enough Garp didn't use a single Galaxy attack on Aokiji .

Garp was defeated through the effort of Aokiji + Shiryu's stab + Fodders and Teach commanders wasting his stamina out that weakened with Old Age .

Kuzan hesitating or not, like what @Garp the Fist has said in another thread He still got help from his Teach Crew and others .

You're arguing with yourself. Never said Garp didn't go down to those things.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Garp was going on a gauntlet lmao, dealing with aokiji fodders Teach commanders and stood supreme , keep your cope in your home .

Yeah Garp looked like a champ working real hard to defeat these guys lmfao:

Garp looks totally amazing bloodying himself over characters drunken Kuzan casually negged lmfao.

They are relevant to weaken garp through stamina or having him distracted when they attack Coby and others who are being protected under Garp lol .

Yeah these guys are super relevant to Garp I agree:

When you are Garp/Mihawk level trash, an Admiral’s toilet paper can give you quite a hard time

Yeah you posted a panel that answers your cope .
You saw how a high tier does it when 2 are fighting isn't it ? Aokiji clashing against WB and Jozu sent his ass out 😂

^ If this was Garp, Garp would be covered in blood and wheezing after beating Jozu lol. And Mihawk fans would be shitting themselves at how amazing Garp looks since Mihawk can’t beat high tiers loll.

It's a manga fact that Oda only portrayed Kuzan matching an old weakened Garp's no named hardened punch

It’s a manga fact that you have the IQ of a monkey lmfao. It was established repeatedly that Kuzan was holding back and Garp wasn’t

 

[MarineHQ]

How delusional one has to be to believe this shit, especially after Hachinosu. You turned into a pathetic admiral wanker on this site - stop being so biased

While I don't put any Admiral above Prime Garp (yet) Hachinosu absolutely and utterly crushed the notion that Garp was ever something out of the ordinary amongst the Navy Top Tiers. He dissapointed in every sense of the word.

He fought a fruit merchant that was known for spamming his Logia powers and actually was pressed in a brawling duel with him which makes up 100% of Garp's fighting style.

At this point I'm hoping for Garp that Logia Awakening is a lie because if it turns out Kuzan could've tapped into that as well, all of Garp's aura would well and truly be finished.

 

[comrade]

Meanwhile in reality

Ace stopped Drum Island from snowing for a day just with his presence. The battle on punk hazard took place over a span of 10 days and their battle happened at the middle of it, while the surroundings were just affected in the process. It's not like Aokiji will throw island level of ice and freezing instantaneously at Garp.

We've been debating about this for years now, it always ends the same. If you think the strongest Logia fruits in the verse are only useful for fodder control and actually useless in a real top tier vs top tier battle then it's just a ridiculous statement.

Man, in theory I agree. The DFs of the C3 are busted, it's up to Oda what he will make out of it. So I won't be surprised if they will pull off some crazy feats. But Oda may as well show nothing, lol.

 

[IIskandar1997]

People mixing hesitation with holding back. Aokiji hesitated when dealing with Garp and Kizaru hesitated when dealing with Vega, but there is no proof they were holding back

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

You weren't this triggered in years bro
😂

Saying facts means triggered, Anime is gonna show Garp vs Aokiji today or next week .

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

. The battle on punk hazard took place over a span of 10 days and their battle happened at the middle of it, while the surroundings were just affected in the process. It's not like Aokiji will throw island level of ice and freezing instantaneously at Garp.

So which is it? Do Admirals not use their fruits in top tier battles? Or did Kuzan just massively hold back against his old master while revealing his true strength to Akainu? Lmfao

Garp can’t handle a prime Aokiji if the likes of Sanjuan Wolf and Vasco Shot can bloody him lol.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

While I don't put any Admiral above Prime Garp (yet) Hachinosu absolutely and utterly crushed the notion that Garp was ever something out of the ordinary amongst the Navy Top Tiers. He dissapointed in every sense of the word.

...It was Old Garp dude. Hell half of his performance was done while weakened from a stab to his abdomen.
Jesus christ y'all act like it was Prime Garp at Hachinosu.

 

[MarineHQ]

Man, in theory I agree. The DFs of the C3 are busted, it's up to Oda what he will make out of it. So I won't be surprised if they will pull off some crazy feats. But Oda may as well show nothing, lol.

That's always a possibility but why wouldn't Logia fruits have an awakening if the other classes do ?

I still like the idea of a blizzard that nerves Kuzan’s oponnents vision, movement and even observation Haki. Something like Logia awakening putting the user in the ideal environment for him to win the fight no matter where he is, which also directly causes a lot of environmental damage.

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

What can Aokiji do with his Ice aside freezing ? 😂 and to do that he needs to make contact with Garp who rag dolled him each time with each blitz aside making weapons from his DF which wouldn't do shit , @comrade is right Admirals fans think Aokiji is holding back some crazy shits in Base that he would pull off 😭

 

[park_min young]

Kuzan’s df not mattering is just total propaganda lol. Even the terrain control alone would be beneficial against Garp, Kuzan only hit him with an ice glove and ice time. Full-scale use of his df with hakified constructs would have absolutely made a difference.

There’s also the fact that Kuzan clearly hesitated, Garp kept calling him out on it. Now I don’t even want to entertain the idea of an awakening for now because that’s a scary thought. The idea that Kuzan could have gone full Articuno on Garp anytime he wanted will shatter the yankers’ minds.

 

[MarineHQ]

...It was Old Garp dude. Hell half of his performance was done while weakened from a stab to his abdomen.
Jesus christ y'all act like it was Prime Garp at Hachinosu.

Never said it was Prime Garp. Oda clearly used Shiryu to finish the fight quick because before that intervention Garp and Kuzan bloodied each other up equally and Garp was even slightly dominating but then he got stabbed and went down in like 2 hits. Inevitably every OP fan thinks back to the monster that was sickbeard who kept walking through anything.

Oda definitely did Garp dirty